[Aptorian]

Stormcat, on 15 November 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

If I am reading this right

Spoiler

a woman agrees to have sex with someone then another person takes his place without her knowledge.... that is indeed rape. She did not consent to have sex with the other guy.... or am I reading this wrong?

BJDibbins is actually right in this case:

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It's been a long time since I read that book but basically the whole thing revolved around a prophecy that Kahlan would betray him or something like that.

To fulfil some kind of wizard magic mojo thingy Kahlan had to marry or sleep with Richards brother and vice versa that SM chick had to be with Richard ... or something... I think. Then on the night they were supposed to consummate she switches tents and actually sleeps with Richard. Or did Richard swap the tents? But he knows that she thinks she is sleeping with his brother, so when she seems to enjoy it, he feels betrayed. Or some bullshit like that. All in all I hated that book immensely.

Basically somebody fucked the wrong person and panties got in the twist.

There is no rape involved.

[QuickTidal]

Crustaceous Apt, on 15 November 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:

Stormcat, on 15 November 2013 - 02:39 AM, said:

If I am reading this right

Spoiler

a woman agrees to have sex with someone then another person takes his place without her knowledge.... that is indeed rape. She did not consent to have sex with the other guy.... or am I reading this wrong?

BJDibbins is actually right in this case:

Spoiler

It's been a long time since I read that book but basically the whole thing revolved around a prophecy that Kahlan would betray him or something like that.

To fulfil some kind of wizard magic mojo thingy Kahlan had to marry or sleep with Richards brother and vice versa that SM chick had to be with Richard ... or something... I think. Then on the night they were supposed to consummate she switches tents and actually sleeps with Richard. Or did Richard swap the tents? But he knows that she thinks she is sleeping with his brother, so when she seems to enjoy it, he feels betrayed. Or some bullshit like that. All in all I hated that book immensely.

Basically somebody fucked the wrong person and panties got in the twist.

There is no rape involved.

I don't think any of that makes it a good thing...that sounds fucking terrible. I'm glad I never got beyond book 1 to be honest. I'd have hurled that book against the wall, of flames, and vomit.

[Myshkin]

amphibian, on 14 November 2013 - 01:58 AM, said:

There's no sin or really anything negative about reading Goodkind's books. The ribbing is somewhat a combination of the fact that there is a certain percentage of people that really get into evangelizing Goodkind as the greatest author ever due to his writing and storytelling abilities (they usually do so in annoying fashion) and the ease with which the mickey can be taken out of the books and the bombastic Terry himself. Mystar is famous throughout fantasy book forums for being a super weird Goodkind fanatic and I think he popped up here a few times, along with the much easier to deal with Myshkin.

Thank you for the kind words, but this makes me sound like one of Goodkind's fanatics. I'm more like the anti-Mystar, staring into the face of Terry so you don't have to, crusading across teh interwebz to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that my next leap will be the leap home.

Also, as regards the rape case:

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Through a series of crazy mix-em-ups Kahlan agrees to sleep with Big Dick's psycho killer brother, while Dick himself courageously agrees to sleep with a super hawt, big-eyed anime princess. Dickey has second thoughts though, and so manages to switch rooms without anybody's knowledge. Not even Kahlan's. Kahlan hates that she has to sleep with this dude, but decides that if she's gonna do it she might as well get off. At this point you'd expect Dick to say, "Hey babe, it's totally me, your awesome boyfriend". But he doesn't. Instead he sits back while Kahlan tries to get him hard. It's not going too well, so Kahlen gives him a BJ (she was menstruating, and so her "moon blood" was all over Dick's weiner when she went down on him, no joke). Anyway, Dick is finally able to do the deed, Kahlan gets her rocks off, Dick is mad that Kahlan had so much fun screwing who she thought was his brother, and an existential crisis ensues. Bottom line? Dick slept with Kahlen without her consent. That's rape.

[amphibian]

The Quantum Leap line is exactly why I hinted that Myshkin is fun to deal with. Thanks for setting us right and stopping by, I hope everything's good with you.

[Gnaw]

Abyss, on 13 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

...Terry Goodkind said some fairly contentious things about fantasy lit that were poorly received by various people here.


...any other author

Something along the lines of Eddings and his "I have never read fantasy and never will" comment?

[Werthead]

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I only read the one Goodkind book - Pillars of Creation - and it was really not to my tastes (and apparently many, many people had similar reactions). However, I think the evil chicken demon thing happened very early on in the series, perhaps in the first or the second book.

The evil chicken is in Soul of the Fire, which is the sixth book (or halfway through the original series). Most people never make it that far, being reduced to a drooling, wide-eyed catatonic state long before that.

[Gabriele]

Gnaw, on 18 November 2013 - 02:33 AM, said:

Abyss, on 13 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

...Terry Goodkind said some fairly contentious things about fantasy lit that were poorly received by various people here.


...any other author

Something along the lines of Eddings and his "I have never read fantasy and never will" comment?

Eddings never denied he wrote Fantasy. He said at some point he avoided reading it because he was afraid he'd subconsciously steal other writers' ideas. Instead he wrote his own books several times over (though I enjoyed the Belgarion and Elenium series as fun reading candy back in the 80ies).

Goodkind doesn't write Fantasy. He writes about Important Human Themes. And people who think some of his ideas have some similarities with fe. Robert Jordan's first WoT books are stupid and not worth to read Goodkind's masterworks because they have no moral celery.

[Aptorian]

Gabriele, on 20 November 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

Goodkind doesn't write Fantasy. He writes about Important Human Themes. And people who think some of his ideas have some similarities with fe. Robert Jordan's first WoT books are stupid and not worth to read Goodkind's masterworks because they have no moral celery.

Hmmm...

This post has been edited by Crustaceous Apt: 20 November 2013 - 05:42 PM

[worry]

We're all just ants on a log.

[HiddenOne]

munching on the moral celery

EDIT: I almost forgot how annoyed I was at the deleted comments from early in this thread.

This post has been edited by HiddenOne: 03 December 2013 - 08:54 PM