[Hanas]

Jalan, on 24 October 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 23 October 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

Having given this a little thought, I am really not in the right state of mind for a game of Mafia right now. I submit most humbly myapologies for signing up - I thought it would take my mind away from RL issues, it hasn't.

It is hurting team too which isn't good play.

Ultama is keen to label me as town which is insightful since I am, however his reasons for doing so are suspect because I've been playing as I am deliberately to draw out opinions on what isn't good town play and expose biases. Oh and winding up those people who like good, coherent English grammar and punctuation (of which I am one I freely admit)

Those of you who think I'm scummy, this'll blow your mind.

Khell, please modkill me.

Sorry again folks.

Wow. I was seriously not expecting something like that.

I guess that makes things simpler for us, though kinda annoying to have such a big distraction from day 1 occupy us on day 2 and then be swept away like this.

I'd say it makes things harder since it leaves us hanging without a clear-cut lynch target. Whomever gets hanged is going to be done in on a speed lynch with few defense opportunities.

[Trake]

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

OK. So Jalan likes Ghennan and Ultama linked up for the fact of leaving Ghennan-like behaviour out of Ultama's case making.
The problem there Ultama being Ultama. It fits the pattern of an RI trying to get things going and digging himself a hole in the process.

That struck me as firmly tongue in cheek really. Jalan has been coasting. So has Lock for that matter, skirts getting involved.

I'm sorry, isn't our little convo here enough to be considered involved?

Well, let's take a little look at it and see shall we?

Here, you return, don't mind voting to get the lynch but want to look at other options first.

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 11:50 AM, said:

I'm back, and I will be around to vote.



I have no qualms voting Fanderay if needed, as it seems that is where things are headed, but I want to do some looking first.



@Ultama - Do I detect that you have decided to bring it down a notch today?

Game theory:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

If everybody has to explain & justify every single vote, it will deter getting the lynch through as I have seen many times the second half of trains be composed of pile-ons, drive-bys & meager attempts at reason.


The problem with aging war on multiple fronts is the weakening of points from which your attention wavers in favor of the new assault. I think that is the downside of your approach. At some point, people will begin to ignore you.

Speculation about whether he'd post:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

I don't expect Fandy to come on and defend at all.

This:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

I'm trying to determine how much of the aggression flying around is fake. Seems like macho time in here, somehow.

Further game theory:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

I agree with the first part, I was just making the point that no one will ever get 100% of explanation attached to every vote. I also am not condemning your approach, so much as commenting that I can see where Ultama is coming from. I do think you can risk losing the strength of your voice from over use.

Joking:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Grasp, on 24 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

You saying testosterone is exclusively male? Sounds like poor training in biology to me

No, I just associate males with pissing contests. But if there are some females involved, maybe that's why no one has called me a "fucktard" yet. Keeping it classy, like.

So, involvement?

Well, it's pretty noticeable that your intentions of doing some looking haven't materialised.

And I don't have anything against game theory discussions.

But it is not the same as venturing cases and opinions on players.

This is what I mean by skirting around the issues, and it is a recurrent theme of your posts, as far as I can see.

It looks helpful but it is under the radar play, not pushing or doing anything that might put you remotely into the limelight.

[Hanas]

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I am here for the next 90 minutes and can vote.

Basically:
Ultama is probably town for meta-reasons.
I like Ghennan so far.
I am patently unsure about Trake.
It might be very related to the last few hours, but Grasp seems very pushy to get a lynch almost to the point of skipping reasoning entirely.
I can't remember seeing much of Lock.
Cast, meh.
Fanderay: don't see a reason to lynch him. It is basically from rubbing people the wrong way and Ultama fall-out.
Jalan, wtf, 28 posts but can't remember a single one.

I really disliked MO and am sad we didn't get a CF there.

\
since when is "meta" a fucking excuse?

It is a certain's player's obsession to be a pushy towny and it nearly always leads to a major fuck-up on day 2. I am perfectly willing to vote him because
1) it is not good for town
2) this time he may be scum,

but I would be in no way surprised it was just another instance of day 2 syndrome on that particular player.

[Fanderay]

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I like Ghennan so far.

I did earlier, but you don't think his switch away from his own suspicions to easily following is a bit strong?

Maybe. But there might be a resignation factor. In fact, I am also dying to see a CF because I'd hate to go into a potential d-day (or d-day -1) with 2 scum chosen CFs only.
I think today's consensus lynch was always going to be Monok. Ultama... It is 100% meta but I think too many recognize the pattern and look back at other games to find the town CF there.
I was surprised by Fanderay getting that far but I can guess they were/are a logical alternative.

every time someone mentions "ultama", "town" and and "meta" in the same sentence, I will tell them to go fuck themselves in bold red letters


GO FUCK YOURSELF

[Trake]

See, there's the kind of play I was expecting from Hanas when I voted Fanderay, moving onto an easy target that's been getting mentioned a lot and no one is likely to have an issue with.

[Hanas]

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I like Ghennan so far.

I did earlier, but you don't think his switch away from his own suspicions to easily following is a bit strong?

Maybe. But there might be a resignation factor. In fact, I am also dying to see a CF because I'd hate to go into a potential d-day (or d-day -1) with 2 scum chosen CFs only.
I think today's consensus lynch was always going to be Monok. Ultama... It is 100% meta but I think too many recognize the pattern and look back at other games to find the town CF there.
I was surprised by Fanderay getting that far but I can guess they were/are a logical alternative.

every time someone mentions "ultama", "town" and and "meta" in the same sentence, I will tell them to go fuck themselves in bold red letters


GO FUCK YOURSELF

Got a tissue I can borrow?

[Ultama]

Ha ha ha.

[Hanas]

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

See, there's the kind of play I was expecting from Hanas when I voted Fanderay, moving onto an easy target that's been getting mentioned a lot and no one is likely to have an issue with.

/shrug. Can't please you all. Especially not if I am also pleasuring myself on Fanderay's orders.

[Lock]

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Lock, on 24 October 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

I don't expect Fandy to come on and defend at all.

Why?

Looking over his posts, this seems roughly his timezone...

nope, no meta reasoning. He's going to play it cool and hope this blows over.

Maybe, but he's L-2.

We'll see I suppose.

Edit: In a cross post as it happens. Told you so

Show me where I claimed to be a genius

also, Touche'

[Ultama]

Okay, back to business. So Fanderay. You still have me as your number one scum for today? Looking past me a second who would be your choice as other scum.

[Ultama]

I would switch to Cast, 5 posts and again going to miss the end of day and lynch for the second day in a row.

[Lock]

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I am here for the next 90 minutes and can vote.

Basically:
Ultama is probably town for meta-reasons.
I like Ghennan so far.
I am patently unsure about Trake.
It might be very related to the last few hours, but Grasp seems very pushy to get a lynch almost to the point of skipping reasoning entirely.
I can't remember seeing much of Lock.
Cast, meh.
Fanderay: don't see a reason to lynch him. It is basically from rubbing people the wrong way and Ultama fall-out.
Jalan, wtf, 28 posts but can't remember a single one.

I really disliked MO and am sad we didn't get a CF there.

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

You know what... let's just vote a coaster. This situation is damned unpleasant, and the mod-kills invite trouble by following too quickly with no info from them. In the current environment I'd rather lynch someone on whom I have absolutely no read whatsoever and who seems to like to keep it that way, despite a decent post count, than lynching someone on who some shades of grey are gathered and who at the least is being discussed.

Vote Jalan.

This is twice you've tried to push the lynch away from Fanderay since you showed up. I am intrgued

[Lock]

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 24 October 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

I am here for the next 90 minutes and can vote.

Basically:
Ultama is probably town for meta-reasons.
I like Ghennan so far.
I am patently unsure about Trake.
It might be very related to the last few hours, but Grasp seems very pushy to get a lynch almost to the point of skipping reasoning entirely.
I can't remember seeing much of Lock.
Cast, meh.
Fanderay: don't see a reason to lynch him. It is basically from rubbing people the wrong way and Ultama fall-out.
Jalan, wtf, 28 posts but can't remember a single one.

I really disliked MO and am sad we didn't get a CF there.

\
since when is "meta" a fucking excuse?

It is a certain's player's obsession to be a pushy towny and it nearly always leads to a major fuck-up on day 2. I am perfectly willing to vote him because
1) it is not good for town
2) this time he may be scum,

but I would be in no way surprised it was just another instance of day 2 syndrome on that particular player.

overt meta gaming, I protest

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 4 hours remaining.


9 players alive: Cast, Fanderay, Ghennan, Grasp, Hanas, Jalan, Lock, Trake, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 votes Fanderay: Ghennan, Ultama, Grasp
1 vote Ultama: Fanderay
1 vote Jalan: Hanas

Players not voted: Cast, Jalan, Lock, Trake

[Trake]

And I must be wrong about my alt guess if it's only day two

[Fanderay]

Let's see. I'm being voted.... because Hanas agreed with what i was saying too much.

Um.


How do I defend against that? I mean, if you expect me to say I've been saying nonsense all day to cleverly trap whomever follows my trail of nonsense, you'd be severely dissapointed. I don't give two shits about meta, I have no fucking clue who Ultama is IRL, and I am fully convinced that he is playing scummy and not in the least bit helpful to town. And no, I won't be giving him a pass "because other games he played like this he was town".

So, I'm sorry I said things that are fucking common sense. Enough common sense for Ultama to fucking admit they made sense.

[Path-Shaper]

Hmmm, we appear to have gained three extra hours from somewhere. Whoops.


I shall be a kindly modgod and not correctify my mistake by slashing three hours off your talking time

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

[Fanderay]

Ultama, on 24 October 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Okay, back to business. So Fanderay. You still have me as your number one scum for today? Looking past me a second who would be your choice as other scum.

Hanas is pissing me off smth fierce right now. Because I can see how him redirecting from me is seen as scummy from a side. Ironically enough, Trake's reasons to vote me make as much sense as me voting you. with the same caveat voiced that despite seeming a good case, it's misguided.

That being said, there's little to no reason for killer to cozy up to me like that, so Hanas could be scum.

At the risk of sounding OMGUS-y, Ghen gave little justification for being vote 3 on you yesterday, and was very happy to jump onto me. if you want scummy lazy-voting, look no further.

[Trake]

Hanas, on 24 October 2013 - 01:34 PM, said:

Trake, on 24 October 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

See, there's the kind of play I was expecting from Hanas when I voted Fanderay, moving onto an easy target that's been getting mentioned a lot and no one is likely to have an issue with.

/shrug. Can't please you all. Especially not if I am also pleasuring myself on Fanderay's orders.

Sure, but at this point lynching someone else is not likely to be better, long term, for town.

Ironically enough, while removing to try and avoid someone becoming an inevitable lynch, the (dumb imo) controversy this has caused has in part, (de-railing with like two hours left is always going to have long term impact), left it so that lynching anyone else would be the worse move.

I'm going away for about an hour and a half, think that means I'll be back in time to vote, though there's enough people it shouldn't be needed.

[Fanderay]

scratch that, Ghen was vote 4 on Ultama. not a whole lot of reasons given.