[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 08 January 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 08 January 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Gnaw are you planning an upgrade next time round?

Yes, I'm going to pull the extra drive off the interceptor. What do you think is most helpful in the big show? the missile battery and a sentient hull, two missile batteries, missile battery and ion cannon, or ion cannon and sentient hull? I'm thinking missile and cannon.

I think the best bet for you would be plasma missiles and cannon. Then you can withdraw at any point. You'd be firing 4 missiles dice and two cannons in the first engagement, We'd want to wipe out as many starbases as we can in the first round. I think 2 is a safe bet. The odds of you hitting increase with the sentient hull but then you have to withdraw. I think two ion cannons being around to hit will be more annoying than a quick salvo. I am going to pass I think next time it comes to me. Unless you can see anything that I may have missed?

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 08 January 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Because you guys have gone so over the top in sending ships into the warp portal hex, I think, as retaliation, I will wait 2-3 weeks before posting my final action

ha ha ha. I think it's either game over for us as an alliance after this round Khell, or if you lose the hex then all our alliance will be is fly's in the ointment. D'rek is your star player here, she has all the materials and a long way to get to her. It's between your faction and Morgoth's but look at morgoth's ships. They scare me!

Edit, all the materials when she gets the artifact key.

This post has been edited by Ganoes Paran: 08 January 2014 - 05:30 PM

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 08 January 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Because you guys have gone so over the top in sending ships into the warp portal hex, I think, as retaliation, I will wait 2-3 weeks before posting my final action

oh no. you already did that.

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 08 January 2014 - 05:27 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 08 January 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 08 January 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Gnaw are you planning an upgrade next time round?

Yes, I'm going to pull the extra drive off the interceptor. What do you think is most helpful in the big show? the missile battery and a sentient hull, two missile batteries, missile battery and ion cannon, or ion cannon and sentient hull? I'm thinking missile and cannon.

I think the best bet for you would be plasma missiles and cannon. Then you can withdraw at any point. You'd be firing 4 missiles dice and two cannons in the first engagement, We'd want to wipe out as many starbases as we can in the first round. I think 2 is a safe bet. The odds of you hitting increase with the sentient hull but then you have to withdraw. I think two ion cannons being around to hit will be more annoying than a quick salvo. I am going to pass I think next time it comes to me. Unless you can see anything that I may have missed?

Unless D'rek does something completely off the wall, I don't see that you really need to do anything else.

[Galactic Council]

Round 6 Action Phase

Spoiler

Turn 1

Spoiler

Morgoth - Research -

• flux missiles on top track -8 sci == 9 remaining
• and Gluon computer -10 sci == -1. -3 money (assumed) $2 and Sci 0 remaining.

CF - RESEARCH - Gluon computers for 15 science -15 sci == 3 remaining

Tapper - Provisionally research advanced labs for 9 science . -9 sci == 0 remaining

Khell - INFLUENCE

• 324 and 325.
• Place materials cube on grey planet coz why not.
• Flip colony ship back up.

D'rek - Research Advanced Economics -7 sci == 8 remaining

Tatts - Provisional

• Research Advanced Robotics - 4 science == 3 remaining
  
• Upkeep, -1, Science 3, Materials 5

Gnaw -

• Research Sentient Hull -5 science == 0 remaining
• Place on center track
• 0 upkeep. 0, 5, 4.

Twelve - Research

• Gluon Computers -8 science == 0 left
  
• (5$, 0S, 18M Upkeep -2)

Dr. IH, PhD - nfluence

• 204 and 304,
• colonise research planet in 108 and grey planet in 204 with money,
• flip over 2 colony ships

Turn 2

Spoiler

Morgoth - upgrade exchange +2 for +3 computer on cruiser and starbase.

CF - Pass a;lis gjopqi45hjet pbhiwbniphtu5 jhy

Tapper - Influence

• Place a disc on the Pulsar hex, placing a cube on the materials planet.
• Place a disc on Aldebaran, placing a cube on the money planet.
• Then flip one colony ship face up.

Khell - NFLUENCE

• 208 and 102.
• Colonise Science planet coz why not.
• Flip colony ship.

D'rek - RESearch Fusion Drives -3 sci == 5 remaining

Tatts - Move

• cruiser from Sigma Draconus to Wormhole Zeta Cham
• Move Dread from 307 sigma sag to 323 zeta andr
• Upkeep -2

Gnaw - Influence

• Ih's hw. 230 colonize money and science
• warp potrtal 382. colonize mats
• flip two ships up

Twelve - Action 2: Influence:

• Remove disk from 391
• -Return the 2 grey cubes to science return adv materials cube
• -Place influence cube back on 391 colonize two grey slots with money
• -Reset two colony ships 3 available
• (5$/0S/18M Upkeep -3)

IH - UPGrade starbase positron computer over electron computer, and blank sport, improved hull over hull

Turn 3

Spoiler

Morgoth - Provisional Upgrade - add missiles on top of ion cannon on Starbase, and instead of one improved hull on cruiser.

CF - For now continue passing. If it becomes clear that Tapper or anybody else is moving on my position then I would definitely like to have the opportunity to react. Morgoth could likewise override that order and call for a halt until I check in (in case he needs my help)

Tapper - Provsional: Influence action.

• Place a science cube on Aldebaran's Advanced Science planet (1 colony ship unflipped).
• Place a science cube on the homeworld's Advanced Science planet (0 colony ships unflipped).
• Flip 1 colony ship face-up.
• Upkeep -5,
• 0 money (income 12)
• 0 science (income 8)
• 4 materials (income 6)
• 1 colony ship unflipped, Pulsar unused.

Khell - RESEARCH Artifact Key for 13 Science. Claim 20 materials. -13 science == 1 left. + 20 materials


D'rek - UPGrade - Fusion Drive over Nuclear Drive on my interceptors. Improved Hull over the blank slot on my Starbases.

Tatts - Provisional move both cruiser and dread into Khell's Lambda Serp upkeep - 3

Gnaw - pass

Twelve - Action 3: Influence:

• Remove disk from 391
• -Return the 2 grey cubes to science
• -Place influence cube back on 391 colonize two grey slots with money
• -Reset two colony ships 3 available
• (5$/0S/18M Upkeep -5)

IH - Build starbase and 2 interceptors in 304 -6 mats == 9 remaining

Turn 4

Spoiler

Morgoth -

• Add science cube to orbital
• Pass

CF (reaction) - Provisional Pass This turn only.

Tapper - Pulsar upgrade fighter: -1 shield becomes +2 computer.

Khell - BUILD 3 Starbases in that warp portal hex where Tatts is masturbating.

D'rek - provisional MOVe Interceptor in Iota Bootis to Sigma Draconis, and Interceptor in Rigel to Chi Draconis

Tatts - Influence Iota Bootus colonise both planets. Flip ships back up.

Gnaw (reaction) - Reaction Move interceptor in Delta Corvi to Khell's warp portal.

Twelve - Action 4: Upgrade Cruiser blueprint
-Place plasma missles over ion cannon
-Place gluon computers over electron computers
(5$/0S/18M Upkeep -7)

IH - I would pass at this point, and do everything else I want to by reaction.

Turn 5

Spoiler

Morgoth (reaction) - No reaction from me this time around

CF (reaction) -No reaction from me this time around

Tapper - Move action: move Dreadnought (2x move) to Galactic Centre

Khell - INFLUENCE. Return discs from Iota Persei and Tau Librae

D'rek - MOVe - Interceptor from Phi Piscum to Delta Eridani. Intercptor from 51 Cygnus to Epsilon Carinae

Tatts - Build cruiser in iota bootus

Gnaw (reaction) - Reaction upgrade remove ion cannon on interceptor revealing drive. Place a sentient hull on blank space of cruiser.

Twelve - Action 5: Upgrade Dreadnaught

• Place Plasma missiles and gluon computers over both Ion Cannons
• (5$/0S/18M Upkeep -10)

IH (reaction) - react and move dread through warp portal to bail tatts out

Turn 6

Morgoth (reaction) - Reaction build - starbase in 104

CF (reaction) - Reaction Move interceptor to Formahaut.

Tapper - Move

• fighter from Pollux (102) to Homeworld (2x 1 hex travels).
• colonize a money cube on the second, empty slot of the grey planet on the galactic centre.

Khell - BUILD 1 Starbase and 2 Cruisers in the warp portal hex. -13 mats == 2 left


D'rek - INFluence

• Iota Persei and Tau Librae.
• Colonize all planets in Tau Librae, then flip two colony ships back up.

Tatts - Move Cruiser from Iota Bootus to Khell's worm hole hex.

Gnaw (reaction) - reaction move interceptor homeworld to 212 hive. -7. 0,0,4


Twelve - Build

• 2 Dreadnaughts in 391
• (5$/0S/2M Upkeep -13)

IH Grievence (reaction) - no reaction

Turn 7

Morgoth (reaction) - no reaction

CF (reaction) - no reaction

Tapper - pass

Khell - UPGRADE Starbases, with Plasma Cannon over Ion Cannon, and Plasma Cannon over Electron Computer.

D'rek - Pass

Tatts - Research Starbase -3 science == zero left

Gnaw (reaction) - Move interceptor from 230 to 305

Twelve - Action 7: Move

• Both Dreadnaughts from 391 to 304
• (5$/0S/2M Upkeep -17)

IH Grievenge (reaction) -

Turn 8

Morgoth (reaction) - reaction - move cruiser from 104 to Tapper's homeworld.

CF (reaction) -

Tapper (reaction) -

Khell -

D'rek (reaction) -

Tatts - Provisional pass

Gnaw (reaction) - Reaction upgrade: place an ion cannon over the base drive on interceptor.

Twelve - ?

IH Grievence (reaction) -

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, on 08 January 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 08 January 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Because you guys have gone so over the top in sending ships into the warp portal hex, I think, as retaliation, I will wait 2-3 weeks before posting my final action

oh no. you already did that.

To enrage you further, I will even say that I know what I'm doing for this action. I will upgrade the cruisers with a plasma cannon and...

Hull or computer or another cannon? Think I'll stew on that decision for a good, loooooooooong while

[Morgoth]

Khellendros, on 08 January 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 08 January 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 08 January 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Because you guys have gone so over the top in sending ships into the warp portal hex, I think, as retaliation, I will wait 2-3 weeks before posting my final action

oh no. you already did that.

To enrage you further, I will even say that I know what I'm doing for this action. I will upgrade the cruisers with a plasma cannon and...

Hull or computer or another cannon? Think I'll stew on that decision for a good, loooooooooong while

If so you will go entirely bankrupt and lose the game though, no?

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth, on 08 January 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

If so you will go entirely bankrupt and lose the game though, no?

You forget that he wants to bankrupt a couple of hexes. So D'rek can cap them for artifact key.

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He's at -25 with $3 banked. 15 income. If he passes now, he'll bankrupt 1 and 2 to take him to -17.

The only way he could bankrupt out this round is if he did so intentionally by influencing a couple of random hexes on this turn.

[Galactic Council]

We're waiting on Grievenge to make their turn 7. Then CF's turn 8, followed by Tapper, Khell, D'rek.

I don't see how anything Grievenge is going to do will affect the other side of the board.

Tapper needs to know what CF is going to do. CF could:

• move his interceptor to 104. If Tapper attacked it he'd get the traitor card.
• move his interceptor to Tapper's homeworld, gaining himself the traitor card. CF can easily afford to lose the ambassador cube; Tapper not so much.
• build a ship in fomalhaut. Building a dread now would make sense. It's not committed to anything but is available assuming he gets a turn 9 reaction.
• or he could do nothing.

Tapper, since you're probably going to be around before CF checks in again, PM me with your reaction if any. CC it to Khell and D'rek so they'll be able to make their actions.





Any suggestions/ideas what to do if Grief and Vengy don't show back up?

[Morgoth]

Galactic Council, on 09 January 2014 - 03:42 AM, said:

Morgoth, on 08 January 2014 - 06:02 PM, said:

If so you will go entirely bankrupt and lose the game though, no?

You forget that he wants to bankrupt a couple of hexes. So D'rek can cap them for artifact key.

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He's at -25 with $3 banked. 15 income. If he passes now, he'll bankrupt 1 and 2 to take him to -17.

The only way he could bankrupt out this round is if he did so intentionally by influencing a couple of random hexes on this turn.

but he'll also lost two income planets, leaving his Income at 10.

edit: Ah, never mind. I had a brain fart of some sort. He would however have to bankrupt 3 systems for it to work. Effectively removing himself from the rest of the game. I question whether that's a good strategy, but it's not as if he listens to me at any rate.

This post has been edited by Morgoth: 09 January 2014 - 07:28 AM

[Tapper]

A general observation: imho, the no-alliance extreme of last game has swung so much in the opposite direction and there's so much canvassing and opinionating going on that the game seems less of an individual decision making process by each player and more like the house of representatives arguing about job creation in Michigan. We see both attempts to make player X make move Y against Z and the best way to do that, as well as analysis of the potential impact of a set of different moves going over several rounds (I'm not holier than thou, as the Artifact Key suggestion was blatant in this respect). This might be great if you're a player with time constraints, but it takes imho important parts of the game away: , which is surprise, profiting from other players choices.


For a future game, I'd like a game where the politicking about who can do what and who should attack whom is outlawed, except between alliance members, or maybe not even that. Player oversights are often mentioned before they can be exploited (often by a different alliance, even), and moves are coördinated to the point where we have to wait for several players to have had a discussion before a move is being proposed.

I'd love a game where betraying your alliance over a spat about what is good for the alliance, for example. There is zero chance of that happening in this game - where in last game, no-one attacked Twelve because of selfishness, which was great .

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 09 January 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

A general observation: imho, the no-alliance extreme of last game has swung so much in the opposite direction and there's so much canvassing and opinionating going on that the game seems less of an individual decision making process by each player and more like the house of representatives arguing about job creation in Michigan. We see both attempts to make player X make move Y against Z and the best way to do that, as well as analysis of the potential impact of a set of different moves going over several rounds (I'm not holier than thou, as the Artifact Key suggestion was blatant in this respect). This might be great if you're a player with time constraints, but it takes imho important parts of the game away: , which is surprise, profiting from other players choices.


For a future game, I'd like a game where the politicking about who can do what and who should attack whom is outlawed, except between alliance members, or maybe not even that. Player oversights are often mentioned before they can be exploited (often by a different alliance, even), and moves are coördinated to the point where we have to wait for several players to have had a discussion before a move is being proposed.

I'd love a game where betraying your alliance over a spat about what is good for the alliance, for example. There is zero chance of that happening in this game - where in last game, no-one attacked Twelve because of selfishness, which was great .

Khell would not have seen the artifact move and therefore the battle to for the wormhole would not be taking place because he would have not had the ships. The best thing about this game is taking advantage of someone when you can when the player has over looked something. Like for example the Nova Burst earlier in the game. Gnaw knew he had it but we'd forgotten. However, Morgoth attacking you and needing assistance from CF is kind of hard to spot without them talking about it, CF wouldn't have done the moves to assist Morgoth without Morgoth asking him. In the fast paced game, (the one where d'rek is dominating) everything was done so fast there was not much collaboration going on, and the better for it. I spotted my mistakes too late. The game has slowed right down at the moment, as opposed to the faster pace at the beginning. I can go back to PMing everyone if that is what it takes o move the game forward.

[Tapper]

Ganoes Paran, on 09 January 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Tapper, on 09 January 2014 - 10:19 AM, said:

A general observation: imho, the no-alliance extreme of last game has swung so much in the opposite direction and there's so much canvassing and opinionating going on that the game seems less of an individual decision making process by each player and more like the house of representatives arguing about job creation in Michigan. We see both attempts to make player X make move Y against Z and the best way to do that, as well as analysis of the potential impact of a set of different moves going over several rounds (I'm not holier than thou, as the Artifact Key suggestion was blatant in this respect). This might be great if you're a player with time constraints, but it takes imho important parts of the game away: , which is surprise, profiting from other players choices.


For a future game, I'd like a game where the politicking about who can do what and who should attack whom is outlawed, except between alliance members, or maybe not even that. Player oversights are often mentioned before they can be exploited (often by a different alliance, even), and moves are coördinated to the point where we have to wait for several players to have had a discussion before a move is being proposed.

I'd love a game where betraying your alliance over a spat about what is good for the alliance, for example. There is zero chance of that happening in this game - where in last game, no-one attacked Twelve because of selfishness, which was great .

Khell would not have seen the artifact move and therefore the battle to for the wormhole would not be taking place because he would have not had the ships. The best thing about this game is taking advantage of someone when you can when the player has over looked something. Like for example the Nova Burst earlier in the game. Gnaw knew he had it but we'd forgotten. However, Morgoth attacking you and needing assistance from CF is kind of hard to spot without them talking about it, CF wouldn't have done the moves to assist Morgoth without Morgoth asking him. In the fast paced game, (the one where d'rek is dominating) everything was done so fast there was not much collaboration going on, and the better for it. I spotted my mistakes too late. The game has slowed right down at the moment, as opposed to the faster pace at the beginning. I can go back to PMing everyone if that is what it takes o move the game forward.

I'm not talking about Morghy/CF coördinating - they're allies, that's all fine. The thing I mean is more about almost communal decision making and giving players a list of opinions/possibilities

[Morgoth]

Perhaps adding another alliance and limiting each one to two players might be better?

Otherwise I mostly agree with Tapper.

[Khellendros]

Morghy, you lack faith in my enormous capabilities of self-preservation.


Should but one tiny seed survive, the Planta will flourish once more.

[cerveza_fiesta]

@Morgoth,

I was considering the 104 move before Gnaw brought it up, though I think my better move is to get into Tapper's homeworld. Then I can take it (should we win the battle) and give me a much-needed production boost (esp in materials) heading into the final rounds. Our chances are very good unless you roll snake-eyes on your missiles.

I don't think Tapper can win in 104 against your defenses though, even if he did bring in his dread.

If your intention is to take the homeworld for your own empire, then I'm not much good to us in that hex and maybe I'm best used as a traitor-card-shield for your hex 104. Just lemme know what you're envisioning for the outcome here and I'll move accordingly.

[Morgoth]

cerveza_fiesta, on 09 January 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

@Morgoth,

I was considering the 104 move before Gnaw brought it up, though I think my better move is to get into Tapper's homeworld. Then I can take it (should we win the battle) and give me a much-needed production boost (esp in materials) heading into the final rounds. Our chances are very good unless you roll snake-eyes on your missiles.

I don't think Tapper can win in 104 against your defenses though, even if he did bring in his dread.

If your intention is to take the homeworld for your own empire, then I'm not much good to us in that hex and maybe I'm best used as a traitor-card-shield for your hex 104. Just lemme know what you're envisioning for the outcome here and I'll move accordingly.

My plan was for you to take Tapper's homeworld, which is why I want your fighter there. I'm quickly approaching the point where expansion will limit my ability to act. It is much better for you to gain an ability to expand, and my thought was that Tapper's juicy homeworld will provide for you the boost you need.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Ok, figured that was the way we were going, just wanted to confirm in case you had something else up your sleeve

MOVE fighter to tapper's homeworld. Accept traitor card. Put cube back on science.

[Tapper]

Ambassador-Cube back on science.

Reaction (as also submitted by PM): build a fighter in my homeworld.

[Galactic Council]

Tapper, on 09 January 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

I'm not talking about Morghy/CF coördinating - they're allies, that's all fine. The thing I mean is more about almost communal decision making and giving players a list of opinions/possibilities

Sorry Tapper. That was intended to be a "here's what I can see CF doing, so please send a provisional addressing what you'd like to do if he does....". It did not occur to me that it was also a suggestion list to CF.