[Galactic Council]

Reputation and Discovery rolls must wait on Morgoth's battle.

[Galactic Council]

Questions and/or comments on the dice syntax.

For these simple battles, the "x" modifier allows computers and shields to be taken into account in the actual roll. As long as I enter the information correctly the result is a simple hit/miss for each d6. And by posting the roll description before the battle mistakes stand a good chance of getting seen and corrected before the dice are rolled.

[Gnaw]

Colonize material planet in warp portal hex. Colonize science planet in 108.


Upkeep

• $1 in bank + $18 production = 19
• upkeep -21 bankrupt.
• remove disc from 101 Castor -17 upkeep
• $2 in bank.

Production

• 7 science in bank + 8 production = 15 science
• 3 material in bank + 4 production = 7 material

VP = 13 from hexes + 2 ambassadors + 2 alliance + 5 ancients == 22


Begin Round 3 with: -5 upkeep, $2, Sc 15, Ma 7.

[Galactic Council]

Round 2 upkeep phase

Twelve:

• Money 1 banked +8 income -5 Upkeep = 4 banked
• Science 4 banked +3 income = 7 science
• Material 8 banked +8 income = 16 materials.
• Round 2 VP total: 7 (6 hexes, 0 tech, 0 Rep tiles, 0 Diplomacy tile, 0 Discovery tile, 1 Race bonus)

Gnaw

• Colonize material planet in warp portal hex. Colonize science planet in 108.
• Upkeep
  • $1 in bank + $18 production = 19
  • upkeep -21 bankrupt.
  • remove disc from 101 Castor -17 upkeep
  • $2 in bank.
• Production
  • 7 science in bank + 8 production = 15 science
  • 3 material in bank + 4 production = 7 material
• VP = 13 from hexes + 2 ambassadors + 2 alliance + 5 ancients == 22

Begin Round 3 with: -5 upkeep, $2, Sc 15, Ma 7.

Khell

• Money:
  • Current Amount: 4
  • Upkeep: -10
  • Income: 10
  • New Amount: 4
• Science:
  • Current Amount: 5
  • Income: 4
  • New Amount: 9
• Materials:
  • Current Amount: 0
  • Income: 4
  • New Amount: 4

IH

• I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets
• Upkeep: -5
• Income: 4
• Bank: 1
• Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 06 November 2013 - 01:42 AM

[Imperial Historian]

Have you done twelve's supernova roll? Tatts supernova can't explode, but twelves could if he got double 1.

I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets

Upkeep: -5
Income: 4
Bank: 1

Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 06 November 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Have you done twelve's supernova roll? Tatts supernova can't explode, but twelves could if he got double 1.

I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets

Upkeep: -5
Income: 4
Bank: 1

Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

Not yet.

I could roll those, the tech, and even the discoveries. But all of that conceivably could influence Morgoth, CF, and Tapper.


Technically, we're on Turn 5:

Morgoth: ?

CF: reaction?

Tapper: reaction?

Turn 6

Khell - pass.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 06 November 2013 - 01:48 AM

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 06 November 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Have you done twelve's supernova roll? Tatts supernova can't explode, but twelves could if he got double 1.

I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets

Upkeep: -5
Income: 4
Bank: 1

Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

I'm a bit confused on the order of events with upkeep and influencing hexes. Is what you and Gnaw doing a legal move?

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 06 November 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 06 November 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Have you done twelve's supernova roll? Tatts supernova can't explode, but twelves could if he got double 1.

I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets

Upkeep: -5
Income: 4
Bank: 1

Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

I'm a bit confused on the order of events with upkeep and influencing hexes. Is what you and Gnaw doing a legal move?

It depends upon how 'by the book' you want to be.

If we go straight by the rules with no deviations, then no, it's not.

[Galactic Council]

End of Combat Phase: place influence discs.

Beginning of upkeep phase: colonize planets, do upkeep.


Essentially what we've done is Gnaw moved to upkeep and went bankrupt while IH was still in combat phase.

[Galactic Council]

To run this as a forum game, there has to be some flexibility in timing. I fully understand if someone has issue with the "Gnaw is in upkeep phase while IH is still in Combat phase". That's pushing "flexible" maybe a bit too far.

The fix for that is simple.

End of Combat phase:

IH influences Delta Corvi. Or doesn't influence at all.

Upkeep phase:

Gnaw

• Colonize material planet in warp portal hex. Colonize science planet in 108 or material in 101. Colonize money planet in 101.
• Upkeep
  • $1 in bank + $18 21 production = 19 22
  • upkeep -21 bankrupt.
  • remove disc from 101 Castor -17 upkeep
  • $2 1 in bank.
• Production
  • 7 science in bank + 8 production = 15 science
  • 3 material in bank + 4 production = 7 material
• VP = 13 15 from hexes + 2 ambassadors + 2 alliance + 5 ancients == 24

• Begin Round 3 with: -5 -7 upkeep, $2 1, Sc 15, Ma 7. or Sc -13, Ma 9

IH

Option A: At end of combat, influences Delta Corvi

• Colonize money planet in Delta Corvi
• Upkeep: -5
• Income: 4
• Bank: 1
• Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0
• Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:4(0+4) Upkeep=0

Option B:

• Upkeep: -5 -3
• Income: 4 3
• Bank: 1
• Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0
• Final totals $0(1+3-3) S:5(2+3) M:4(0+4) Upkeep=0

The end result of doing it the way we did vs by the book: -2 mats for IH.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 06 November 2013 - 03:36 AM

[twelve]

How can IH influence the warp portal? Or are you saying prior to him passing? Basically I'm all for keeping IH as down as much as possible. He is someone I'm always worried about. And I of course am for by the book unless house rules are in affect list prior to the game start. Any one else have any input on this.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 06 November 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

IH can influence during upkeep.

Note this is not exactly true. Influencing a hex that you have a ship in post-combat occurs still in the combat phase - ie it must happen before any of the Upkeep Phase actions.

Probably doesn't make any difference here, but in some scenarios it can.

[D'rek]

I'm not really sure what we're talking about between IH and Gnaw.

Is it a hex that had a Gnaw influence disc and ancients, and IH fought the ancients? If so, there's no way that IH can influence it at the end of the combat round, as there is already an influence disc belonging to his ally present. Gnaw can remove it in the Upkeep Phase if he is bankrupt, and then IH can influence it in the next round using the Influence Action in the Action Phase or from his ship at the end of the Combat Phase.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 06 November 2013 - 04:27 AM

[Galactic Council]

D, on 06 November 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

I'm not really sure what we're talking about between IH and Gnaw.

Is it a hex that had a Gnaw influence disc and ancients, and IH fought the ancients? If so, there's no way that IH can influence it at the end of the combat round, as there is already an influence disc belonging to his ally present. Gnaw can remove it in the Upkeep Phase if he is bankrupt, and then IH can influence it in the next round using the Influence Action in the Action Phase or from his ship at the end of the Combat Phase.

As I said above. Easy fix.

IH influences Delta Corvi (or not, as he wishes) and I'll colonize Castor. Then pull the disc next round when we explore the hive.

@Twelve I wasn't trying to get one over on you. I thought that the "can influence discs" was part of upkeep until I looked at the checklist a few hours ago.

The only end result difference is IH gets two less materials this turn. *shrug*

[Galactic Council]

Round 2 upkeep phase

Twelve:

• Money 1 banked +8 income -5 Upkeep = 4 banked
• Science 4 banked +3 income = 7 science
• Material 8 banked +8 income = 16 materials.
• Round 2 VP total: 7 (6 hexes, 0 tech, 0 Rep tiles, 0 Diplomacy tile, 0 Discovery tile, 1 Race bonus)

Gnaw

• Colonize material planet in warp portal hex. Colonize science planet in 108.
• Upkeep
  • $1 in bank + $18 production = 19
  • upkeep -21 bankrupt.
  • remove disc from 101 Castor -17 upkeep
  • $2 in bank.
• Production
  • 7 science in bank + 8 production = 15 science
  • 3 material in bank + 4 production = 7 material
• VP = 13 from hexes + 2 ambassadors + 2 alliance + 5 ancients == 22

Begin Round 3 with: -5 upkeep, $2, Sc 15, Ma 7.

Khell

• Money:
  • Current Amount: 4
  • Upkeep: -10
  • Income: 10
  • New Amount: 4
• Science:
  • Current Amount: 5
  • Income: 4
  • New Amount: 9
• Materials:
  • Current Amount: 0
  • Income: 4
  • New Amount: 4

IH

• I'll claim the tile, colonise both planets
• Upkeep: -5
• Income: 4
• Bank: 1
• Final totals $0(1+4-5) S:5(2+3) M:6(0+6) Upkeep=0

[twelve]

Galactic Council, on 06 November 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

D, on 06 November 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

I'm not really sure what we're talking about between IH and Gnaw.

Is it a hex that had a Gnaw influence disc and ancients, and IH fought the ancients? If so, there's no way that IH can influence it at the end of the combat round, as there is already an influence disc belonging to his ally present. Gnaw can remove it in the Upkeep Phase if he is bankrupt, and then IH can influence it in the next round using the Influence Action in the Action Phase or from his ship at the end of the Combat Phase.

As I said above. Easy fix.

IH influences Delta Corvi (or not, as he wishes) and I'll colonize Castor. Then pull the disc next round when we explore the hive.

@Twelve I wasn't trying to get one over on you. I thought that the "can influence discs" was part of upkeep until I looked at the checklist a few hours ago.

The only end result difference is IH gets two less materials this turn. *shrug*

I wasn't accusing you of trying to pull one over. I just wasn't sure the order of how things resolved but correctly, according to D'rek, assumed that what you were trying to do wasn't legal. I am still, however, confused how IH is going to influence and colonize the warp portal hex. He doesn't have a ship there to influence post combat and I don't remember him influencing the tile so how exactly will he colonize the money planet? Did I miss something earlier?

This post has been edited by twelve: 06 November 2013 - 05:48 AM

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 06 November 2013 - 05:47 AM, said:

Galactic Council, on 06 November 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

D, on 06 November 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

I'm not really sure what we're talking about between IH and Gnaw.

Is it a hex that had a Gnaw influence disc and ancients, and IH fought the ancients? If so, there's no way that IH can influence it at the end of the combat round, as there is already an influence disc belonging to his ally present. Gnaw can remove it in the Upkeep Phase if he is bankrupt, and then IH can influence it in the next round using the Influence Action in the Action Phase or from his ship at the end of the Combat Phase.

As I said above. Easy fix.

IH influences Delta Corvi (or not, as he wishes) and I'll colonize Castor. Then pull the disc next round when we explore the hive.

@Twelve I wasn't trying to get one over on you. I thought that the "can influence discs" was part of upkeep until I looked at the checklist a few hours ago.

The only end result difference is IH gets two less materials this turn. *shrug*

I wasn't accusing you of trying to pull one over. I just wasn't sure the order of how things resolved but correctly, according to D'rek, assumed that what you were trying to do wasn't legal. I am still, however, confused how IH is going to influence and colonize the warp portal hex. He doesn't have a ship there to influence post combat and I don't remember him influencing the tile so how exactly will he colonize the money planet? Did I miss something earlier?

Heh. You're right. I thought that it was possible to influence the hex next to one with a ship in it as in Action Phase.

[Morgoth]

If I try to do another upgrade I will have to bankrupt everything but my homeworld.

Pass


Now give me the bad news!

[Gnaw]

Dammit. I was hoping you'd do another action so I could do another reaction.

[Galactic Council]

320
Morgoth vs ancient

Firing order:
Interceptor -> ancient -> Cruiser


1x int == 3/3 health, 3 initiative, +0 computer, -0 shields, 1x ion cannon
single ancient == 2/2 health, 2 initiative, +1 computer, -0 shield. 2x ion cannon
1x cruiser == 4/4 health, 2 initiative, +1 computer, -0 shields, 1x ion cannon


Engagement one

r2 320 Engagement one. Morg int with +0 comp, -0 shield, and 1x ION cannon. Anc +1 comp, -0 shield, 2x ION cannon. Morg Cru +1 comp, -0 shield, 1x ION cannon
1#1d6x6; 1#2d6x5; 1#1d6x5


http://orokos.com/roll/147660#

Results
1#1d6x6: 1 # 2 [1d6x6=6]
1#2d6x5: 1 # 2 [2d6x5=6, 2]
1#1d6x5: 1 # 0 [1d6x5=3]

Interceptor 1 hits for 1 damage.
Ancient misses one shot and hits the other. 1 pt damage to the cruiser. 3/4 health.
Cruiser misses.


Engagement two


r2 320 Engagement two. Morg int with +0 comp, -0 shield, and 1x ION cannon. Anc +1 comp, -0 shield, 2x ION cannon. Morg Cru +1 comp, -0 shield, 1x ION cannon

http://orokos.com/roll/147661#
Results
1#1d6x6: 1 # 2 [1d6x6=6]

1#2d6x5: 1 # 0 [2d6x5=3, 1]
1#1d6x5: 1 # 0 [1d6x5=1]

Interceptor hits. Ancient destroyed.

reputation == 2 tiles

Morgoth takes hex.