[Denul]

5 anons on, but thread is dead...

[Liosan]

Btw, counting bullets could potentially give away people's roles.


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[Liosan]

I'm just wondering what Bek Okhan's game is. I need to go back to confirm, but he acts as if he only had 3 bullets at the beginning of the game, which relegates him to either the Service Conductor or Enginseer. But people can use bullets on the sly, so if he used other bullets before draining to zero (his rampant friendship was suspicious) he could pretend to be those roles. I would want the judge to lynch him.


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This post has been edited by Liosan: 22 August 2013 - 02:00 AM

[Liosan]

He also chronically forgets his to subscript his bullets. I count only 2 bullets as is.

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[Ultama]

Agreed. The whole friendship thing feels like a play of some kind (being mafia, it is). You better believe I'm not voting for any of those three to be the mayor, as I imagine they have each other for judge. This early in, with no faction lines, it helps them to cut a deal and work together.

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[Bek Okhan]

Liosan, on 22 August 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

I'm just wondering what Bek Okhan's game is. I need to go back to confirm, but he acts as if he only had 3 bullets at the beginning of the game, which relegates him to either the Service Conductor or Enginseer. But people can use bullets on the sly, so if he used other bullets before draining to zero (his rampant friendship was suspicious) he could pretend to be those roles. I would want the judge to lynch him.


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Clearly you are favoring one big bullets die (and maybe more than one?). I neither confirm nor deny any role accusations, but unlike you, I am unwilling to show you the contents of my larger bullets dice. Also, you conveniently forget this rule:

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Once a die on thread has no more pips remaining, you either cannot vote anymore, or you have to show a new die with unused pips on it.

Unless I absolutely need to vote, I have no intention on showing you what remains in my bullet dice. I tentatively support the Fanderay mayorship since he and I are best buds but I wouldn't want to give it to him if he just turns around and votes you judge!


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[Bek Okhan]

Liosan, on 22 August 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

He also chronically forgets his to subscript his bullets. I count only 2 bullets as is.

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Any time I "forget" to include the bullets, it's the same as the post before. Trying to accuse me of something because I forget the incredible nuance of the game rules in constantly posting bullet counts is quite silly.

edit: As I have done again
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This post has been edited by Bek Okhan: 22 August 2013 - 03:30 AM

[Grasp]

Demelain, on 21 August 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Grasp, on 21 August 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Well folks I'm really just checking in at the town square right now, gotta go toss some haybales but I'll be back in the evening for some good ol' fashion fun. I'ma try to read up on all o' Marshall Path-Shaper's rules for the town so's I can be a good ol' hard-muckin' contributin' citizen an' all when I comes back! Y'all be good an' civil an' obedient now.

[4]

Drop it.
Just drop it.

[1]

Ok, sorry.

[4]

[Meanas]

hey peeps, gotta drop the drawl. Just got back from a soccer game, my leg hurts like hell (at least I didn't need EMS unlike the other guy)

off to bed, cuz work tomorrow. Hopefully i'll be able to sleep it off and play properly tomorrow.

[Path-Shaper]

The voting for Mayor is no different ghan voting in normal Mafia.

Once the Mayor is known, we check hid choice for Judge. Then we check the Judges choice for Lynchee.
That procedure could take half a cycle with unfavourable time zones, so I decided to make people submit their choices in advance.

T. - by phone

[Grasp]

Denul, on 22 August 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Maybe make whoever wants to be mayor "buy" their mayorship by spending, say, 4 bullets by voting and unvoting, so they're in essence forfeiting actions to become mayor? So merrid can't just finish off his die to become mayor, nor can anyone else with a [3] die, which has been described as average.

Edit: This is just getting sad.

Bullets: [2]

I don't think this or the other ideas about potential mayors having to sacrifice abiltiies to become mayor will really work simply because no one necessarily has to even want to become mayor. You become mayor and your chosen judge goes against the popular opinion and suddenly you're under a whole lot of scrutiny. If you try to put in some sort of give up all your abilities to be mayor mechanic I think everyone will just choose not to try and be the mayor.

The fact is that we don't have to elect a mayor and make a lynch every day, so it's easy for players not to care much about the mayorship at all. The roles and other game mechanics are complex enough for every player to feel like they have some ability so they don't feel they need the lynch. That's probably not a big problem right now, but once one faction starts to take an upper hand the lynch may be come invaluable in culture hunting them or even be the only reasonable way to kill them (sort of a reverse Dreadfather).

And like always the lynch will make for some of the biggest on-thread information that we can all publicly talk about and use.

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This post has been edited by Grasp: 22 August 2013 - 04:44 AM

[Grasp]

With that in mind, then, I don't think it really matters all that much who gets Mayor today. Maybe not Merrid because he seems pretty action-ho. Since Fandy already has a vote, I'm going to add mine to Fanderay since it is already only 5 hours until rien ne va plus and I'd rather have some info to discuss tomorrow, plus confirmation of how the whole lynch process goes down from a game-thread POV (I think I understand what parts are revealed and what aren't, but it'd be good to see for sure).

Vote Fanderay

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[Ultama]

My understanding is that, unlike with the judge and lynchee nominations, the election of the mayor can occur anytime during the day. That includes after rien ne va plus is announced. As Tapper said 3 posts up- having the early nominations for the roles besides mayor in early is to help resolve those actions faster. With that in mind, we still have 29ish hours to elect the mayor. And now, I'm off to bed.

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[Fanderay]

Merrid, on 22 August 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 August 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

@ Cast

Merrid's bullets are declining because he is using his die for actions and this is what I missed earlier as to who else was using actions already.

So Merrid. I'll vote for you if you vote for me for Mayor. With votes costing bullets you won't see a lot of switching going around and we could be the "Leading canidates" I'd also select you as my judge if I get elected and you can elect me as judge if you want too.

How is that for the usual Day one nonsense?

(3)

I'm down with this.


In fact, why not get this party started? We only have a few hours left till our choices for Judge and lynchee have to be in anyway.

Vote Fanderay

[2]

As stated above by a few people being elected mayor and subsequently electing a Judge has both it's risks and rewards. If people are thinking that I am wanting to be mayor just for the reward aspect then by all means vote Merrid or vote for whoever you think is the most deserving of being the Mayor. I just know that if we dink around all game and not elect anyone to being the mayor then the game will be determined completely by Actions. If you are okay with that then fine. I'm not. I'll follow through with my end of the deal.

Vote Merrid

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[Grasp]

Ultama, on 22 August 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

My understanding is that, unlike with the judge and lynchee nominations, the election of the mayor can occur anytime during the day. That includes after rien ne va plus is announced. As Tapper said 3 posts up- having the early nominations for the roles besides mayor in early is to help resolve those actions faster. With that in mind, we still have 29ish hours to elect the mayor. And now, I'm off to bed.

[3]

That's not how I understood it. I thought as soon as rien ne va plus came along the Mayor was picked, the judge processed and the lynch figured out (though I'm not sure resolved right away). Will go back and do some re-reading.

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[Grasp]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

Merrid, on 22 August 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 21 August 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

@ Cast

Merrid's bullets are declining because he is using his die for actions and this is what I missed earlier as to who else was using actions already.

So Merrid. I'll vote for you if you vote for me for Mayor. With votes costing bullets you won't see a lot of switching going around and we could be the "Leading canidates" I'd also select you as my judge if I get elected and you can elect me as judge if you want too.

How is that for the usual Day one nonsense?

(3)

I'm down with this.


In fact, why not get this party started? We only have a few hours left till our choices for Judge and lynchee have to be in anyway.

Vote Fanderay

[2]

As stated above by a few people being elected mayor and subsequently electing a Judge has both it's risks and rewards. If people are thinking that I am wanting to be mayor just for the reward aspect then by all means vote Merrid or vote for whoever you think is the most deserving of being the Mayor. I just know that if we dink around all game and not elect anyone to being the mayor then the game will be determined completely by Actions. If you are okay with that then fine. I'm not. I'll follow through with my end of the deal.

Vote Merrid

(2)

I'm not a big fan of Merrid getting elected simply because he seems to be doing a lot of actions already. I don't know that that necessarily corresponds to a power player but I think if he wasn't he'd be a bit more shy about it.

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This post has been edited by Grasp: 22 August 2013 - 05:21 AM

[Grasp]

Here's the relevant sections:

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

5. Player Statuses
a. Mayor
Each day, players elect a Mayor. The only task of the Mayor is to nominate a Judge, but since the Judge determines who is lynched, the Mayor is quite important. The rules for Mayor are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must nominate your Judge during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (This will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, the player with the next most votes will become Mayor.
3) You may not elect yourself as Judge.
4) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for Judge on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your nomination, either.
5) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

b. Judge
Each day, the Mayor elects a Judge. The only task of the Judge is to decide which player will be lynched, so the Judge is quite important. The rules for the Judge are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must select your selected lynch target during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (this will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, there will be no lynch and the Judge on the next day gets to lynch 2 players.
3) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for the lynch on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your choice, either.
4) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

c. Wanted
Ghoul Gulch is in the Wild West. Killing people is hardly uncommon, but killing people in public is totally Not Done and a criminal act.
If an alt/ alts kill an unWanted alt that was present in a Public Location, the killer(s) become(s) Wanted.

Wanted alts are named on thread by the mods, and until they lose the Wanted status, they must update their Location on-thread in their every post.

Killing a Wanted alt grants benefits: its killers gain +5 Golddust or +2 Pixie Powder (their choice), and if a Wanted alt was killed in a Public Location, then its killers do NOT become Wanted.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

10. Phases

We work with a 48 hour day phase, and an 8 hour night phase.

A. The day phase

The Day Phase starts with all players resetting a total number of dice equal to their Speed pips in Bullets, Aim, Dodge and Luck, and resetting a total number of dice equal to their Attunement pips in Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts and Spades, except for day 1, when all dice are automatically reset.

During the day phase, each player post must be ended with the text: Bullets [#] where [#] is the number of unused pips on the Bullet die they use this phase for voting/removing vote/ paying for Cantrips.

Midway through the Day Phase, Rien Ne Va Plus will be posted. This means:
1) no more Wagers may be initiated;
2) any abilities that must be submitted before Wagers are processed must be in;
3) everyone must have selected their Judge in case they are selected as Mayor;
4) the mods will process all submitted Wagers.

Move Phase 1
After the Day Phase (at the end of which the lynch happens), a Move Phase is started. Players may move freely from one Location to an adjacent Location at no cost. Orders for the Move phase must be submitted before the end of the Day phase.


Night Phase
The Night phase is an administration phase for the Mods, as usual. Orders for the Night phase must be submitted before the end of the Day phase.

Move Phase 2
After the Night phase, another Move phase happens. Players may move freely from one Location to an adjacent Location at no cost. Orders for the Move phase must be submitted before the end of the Day phase.

Since the Mayor and Judge must make their selections as immediately as possible after rien ne va plus, that makes me think that the mayor has to have been elected by the time of rien ne va plus, but it doesn't expressly say that.

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This post has been edited by Grasp: 22 August 2013 - 05:21 AM

[Fanderay]

Denul, on 22 August 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

And lio, should we near the deadline, I'd rather vote you for mayor than fanderay, by virtue of not wanting the position in the first place. Since you say you don't want to be mayor, it would make you less likely to lie about your judge choice.

[2]

Then put your bullet where your mouth i.....That really doesn't translate well. There is a lot of apathy in regards to getting anyone elected for mayor. I don't expect anyone to get elected mayor day 1 as this is a new mechanic (as far as I know) so it may take a while for people to figure out what they want

[Ultama]

Path-Shaper said:

The voting for Mayor is no different ghan voting in normal Mafia.

Once the Mayor is known, we check hid choice for Judge. Then we check the Judges choice for Lynchee.
That procedure could take half a cycle with unfavourable time zones, so I decided to make people submit their choices in advance.

T. - by phone

Yeah, agreed, the OP is ambigious. This most recent Tapper post is what I'm going off of now. I was under the impression that all players were supposed to PM their judge and lynch choice to PS, so that if they were elected mayor, the results would be ready to go. That quoted post seems to say that to me. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

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This post has been edited by Ultama: 22 August 2013 - 05:29 AM

[Grasp]

Ultama, on 22 August 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Path-Shaper said:

The voting for Mayor is no different ghan voting in normal Mafia.

Once the Mayor is known, we check hid choice for Judge. Then we check the Judges choice for Lynchee.
That procedure could take half a cycle with unfavourable time zones, so I decided to make people submit their choices in advance.

T. - by phone

Yeah, agreed, the OP is ambigious. This most recent Tapper post is what I'm going off of now. I was under the impression that all players were supposed to PM their judge and lynch choice to PS, so that if they were elected mayor, the results would be ready to go. That quoted post seems to say that to me. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

I think it's both, but either way the Mayor must be picked before rien ne va plus. Once rien ne va plus happens, the Mayor and Judge's choices are resolved as soon as possible - when they first login according to the OP or by provisional PMs by the update.

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This post has been edited by Grasp: 22 August 2013 - 05:29 AM