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Sengoku 4 Spoilers Healing catapults extravaganza!!

#441 User is offline   Shinrei 

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:58 AM

Barghast, on 09 August 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

ok, so

Trake is Morg45. I trust him, b/c he hasn't attacked me yestrday, when there was ample opportunity to do away with me.

Alkend is PI as a revealed role

Mockra partially claimed healer. it's brujah, so I take it with a truckload of salt, but still.

Korbas--hmm, he didn't vote the guy calling him scum... I'm paranoid this was a brilliant distancing move by Azath

Galain--he's pinged the radar before, and he also didn't vote. THough supposedly he was waiting on Mockra to show up

Gait--vote happy mofo. but still seems more sympish.

Okaros--enigma (also, I think Blend. or D'rek. One of the Canadians), But voted Tellan readily enough.

ger.



Barghast, on 09 August 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

fuck it.
guard Korbas

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:21 PM

Seriously people, this should serve as the perfect example of why not to Emo out in mafia. First, EM as no real reason to flip out and quit.

And Brujah thinks he knows what is going on and then throws a hissy and tries to commit suicide, yet in truth he's just really shitty at choosing NKs. ;) Hell, the guard at his castle died on the first day!

TheDude, who was the role of Iida Gen originally should be facepalming right about now.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

I can't accept that prov.

To tip my hand early, I intend to have a seppuku ability in later games but I can't accept it here. Even though he thinks he is, Mockra is not being guarded. General Iida Gen has eliminated the Leader AND Captain of Arai castle, so it doesn't even make sense from a story standpoint. No general would commit seppuku because some other general lost a battle in a completely different place. Not to mention, if he kills himself, Alkend will be left high and dry and likely in a mood to capitulate himself. This game is win-able for scum, and JA has weaseled out of tougher places than Brujah is in now.

Can't do it. Sending him a PM now.

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It's an idiotic decision, but I'd argue it's still valid. Telling him he can't do it also tells him he isn't being guarded, which is more info than he should get from the mods. If Bru wants to do something so dumb, you have to let him I'm afraid. Because he is not doing it out of some unsportsmanlike wish to suicide and harm his own team, he genuinely thinks he won't die. Intent is very important in this instance.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM

Lisheo is happy. If Mockra can weasel out of the lynch, scum will likely win.

Alkend, on 09 August 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

You have received permission to assume command of the seige of Edo castle effective Dawn of next Day Phase.

Oh, ohohohohohohoho.
Oh, yes.
Oh.
This is going to be good.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:




It's an idiotic decision, but I'd argue it's still valid. Telling him he can't do it also tells him he isn't being guarded, which is more info than he should get from the mods.


Not if you word it correctly. ;) I made it clear that suiciding wasn't an acceptable NA. If he can and wants to go ahead and explain to me how it's helping his team, fine.

And what do you mean by "he thinks he won't die"?

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:30 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:




It's an idiotic decision, but I'd argue it's still valid. Telling him he can't do it also tells him he isn't being guarded, which is more info than he should get from the mods.


Not if you word it correctly. ;) If he can explain to me how it's helping his team, fine.

And what do you mean by "he thinks he won't die"?



He thinks aiming the NK at himself won't kill him because he believes he is being guarded. He's doing it 'just because why not'.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:32 PM

I had an impression he is doing it because he does not want to be lynched.

Yet thinking of it, he does believe he is guarded and that it won't go through.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:32 PM

Here is what I said in my PM to him.

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

This is Shin. I cannot accept that provisional. In some future Sengoku games, seppuku will be allowable. This is not one of those games.


He has not checked his messages however, so night will (most likely) end without a prov from him.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:34 PM

Alkend, on 09 August 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Also, sorry Azathmaster, but with your attempt at a reveal and Barghast's rubbish, there was no way out of that one.
However, by my count nearly everyone left is going to be in Edo.
I'll assume your mantle and bravely soldier on.



Can you feel the tension rise? I almost wish Alkend will target someone other than Barghast on night 9, just to see Ment flip out.

Alkend, on 09 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

If this was Mockra and Tellan's plan, though.
If they were going to claim to be independent Takeda spies.
That's too unbelievable, as far as fake reveals go.
The simpler they are, the better. It's real good to prey on mechanic confusion like the existence of two factions. Anything simple and faintly vague is good stuff.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

This actually clues me into something I hadn't considered. For seppuku to work as a mechanic in a future game, it has to be unguardable. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostGanoes Paran, on 09 August 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

I had an impression he is doing it because he does not want to be lynched.

Yet thinking of it, he does believe he is guarded and that it won't go through.


of course he doesn't want to be lynched
HiddenOne. You son of a bitch. You slimy, skulking, low-posting scumbag. You knew it would come to this. Roundabout, maybe. Tortuous, certainly. But here we are, you and me again. I started the train on you so many many hours ago, and now I'm going to finish it. Die HO. Die. This is for last time, and this is for this game too. This is for all the people who died to your backstabbing, treacherous, "I sure don't know what's going on around here" filthy lying, deceitful ways. You son of a bitch. Whatever happens, this is justice. For me, this is justice. Vote HiddenOne Finally, I am at peace.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:46 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

Here is what I said in my PM to him.

Path-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 05:35 AM, said:

This is Shin. I cannot accept that provisional. In some future Sengoku games, seppuku will be allowable. This is not one of those games.


He has not checked his messages however, so night will (most likely) end without a prov from him.



Honestly, I would delete the message before he checks it. He doesn't think he will be committing seppuku. He thinks the action won't go through. And I'd kill him off. But, your game, your call! ;)


Read his PMs, he talks about how he's going to approach being a lynch target the next day. He thinks he's going to live.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:53 PM

I can't, obviously, say "your seppuku will succed/fail". He doesn't know either way - he just reads PS saying "This is not an allowable action."

Has self-kill ever happened in a game before?
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I can't, obviously, say "your seppuku will succed/fail". He doesn't know either way - he just reads PS saying "This is not an allowable action."

Has self-kill ever happened in a game before?



Most probably ar some point. Someone like D'rek might no better than I. I wouldn't say anything at all to him other than 'noted'. It's a daft decision, and he and his team have to live with the consequences. But the crux of the matter is his intent is NOT one of damaging his own team, even if he is doing just that.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:00 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 09 August 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I can't, obviously, say "your seppuku will succed/fail". He doesn't know either way - he just reads PS saying "This is not an allowable action."

Has self-kill ever happened in a game before?


It's awesome that he thinks he'll live and he will die.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:02 PM

It is a seductive choice, I will admit. I'm against it for 3 reasons

1) I have no idea how to write a scene where the general winning the battle decides to kill himself.
2) It messes up the introduction of a suicide mechanic in future games.
3) It bones scum entirely.

I am for it for 3 reasons

1) It's a boneheaded prov, and would go down in the mafia annals of stupid moves. ;)
2) It puts everything on Alkend's shoulders.
3) It automatically allows me to keep Miura in future game designs.


Damn you Khell. :p
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:10 PM

Ok...

I have deleted the reply to Mockra. Because really, my reaction was mostly based on a misapprehension that Brujah was pulling an Emo move. When in fact, he's just dicking around and therefore not actually breaking any of the official mafia rules. He's going to live with his provisional "damn right it's noted".

But I'm not going to kill Iida Gen. He's going to decide that capturing Yoshiatsu is enough and then trudge back to Odawara.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:10 PM

God Dammit. I should've kill Barghast early. Ah well... Hope Alkend can pull this out. Also, if Bru kills himself there will be hell to pay.

Ment has just joined my (relatively short) list. At the top.

A question: How bad was my reveal?


Also, I was having a mental breakdown yesterday. I was F5ing when nothing was going on for an hour... Dying was actually a bit of a relief.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:11 PM

But but Town will need to lynch Mockra for the win. (which I am a fan of) Although nothing can block his decision to choose himself as a night kill unless it is against the rules, to play against your own teams interest. Yet he does think he is guarded.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

Shit, the poor players are wondering why night is dragging on and there is so much SH chatter.

I'm having a real hard time making this decision. Damn you Brujah for forcing me into this!
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