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Timelords 3 - The Timestream

#41 Galayn Lord

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:20 PM

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

<snip>

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Just had to post this for fun. The comedy is too much.

#42 Alkend

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 08:43 PM

Fuck Galyn you arent making much sense. You're saying everything and nothing. Can you maybe stick to one argument?

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Nice information grab BO. Not much bitch or whine in it so kudos to you.

I have my reasons for calling a coaster hunt. Mafia averages support me. If you have an issue with it, setting me up as an alternative makes you as likely a singleton in my minds eye. Did I get under your collar and get you to start contributing falling out the coaster bracket? its Domingo we're looking for why would Domingo call for a hunt on Domingo when he could easily start laying cases on those actively hunting him as a priority?

Edit: BO... an unfortunate Abreviation if ever there was one....

Sorry, did you really just say that anyone who disagrees with your low-poster witch hunt is Domingo? Talk about covering your ass and setting up lynches at the same time. I don't like it, sorry. Even if I agree about coaster voting, claiming that whoever votes you is the singleton just because you're not coasting is total bullshit.

Fuck no. I said coaster didn't I? not so much bothered about every fucking low-poster.

Me having to explain it gives the game away, so I aint gonna.

Get your logic straight. A coaster hunt always gets the same lame ass argument. shit he must be the big bad, he's calling for a low poster hunt.

No fucking way! while low posters can be coasters, coasters are the shits saying enough to get by and meaning even less by saying it. If Domingo ain't hiding in a bunch of inconsequential shit any actual contributions turn the pressure on him. He'd eventually be damned either way and thats what I'm saying we hunt for.

Bek Okhan, on 24 February 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Right. Fuck that shit.I don't know about you guys but I'm voting every mother fucking coaster in this business. We got thirteen players, potentially 4-5 chances to nail Domingo then the shitstorm can really begin. the fact we get no CF means we simply accept after 5 shots if we all still around Domingos out the picture. Rather take the hunt to averages. 5 to 13 ain't great odds so coasters it is.Got no clue how the fuck DDay calculations work on this but I'm pretty sure either team can handle being 4 ounces of dead weight down.

Here. And bet this is our singleton. With a declaration that he'll be a low post, I wonder if Domingo will be anything but a low poster.

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Am I reading this right? I'm pretty sure that Bek just called YOU the singleton, Alkend, based on your Great Coaster Hunt idea. And then you compliment him on the "info grab"....and then you compliment him for not bitching or whining either, which you've been doing both of. Trying to smooth things over after Bek pinned you down?

Bek did call me a singleton, so what? Its baseless, don't make us friends or enemies. BO is playing the field. he grabbed for an explanation on something that shouldn't be. the workings of it are standard mafia and I don't need to explain it for Domingo to see and counter act.

Galyn all I get from you is a bunch of counter scrutiny on black and white statements.

Take a dig at me, I don't give a fuck.

The more the bad guy says, the more we can look at later on in the day when they slip up.

#43 Galayn Lord

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:08 PM

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Fuck Galyn you arent making much sense. You're saying everything and nothing. Can you maybe stick to one argument?

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 24 February 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Here. And bet this is our singleton. With a declaration that he'll be a low post, I wonder if Domingo will be anything but a low poster.

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Ok, I agree obviously, the more info posted on thread the more we have to go on.

First response - if you knew that Bek was calling you out as Domingo, why would you compliment him on this accusation? Even if it's a logically good move from him, you don't redirect it but instead AGREE with it. That's just kind of odd. I'm not saying you had to jump down his throat, but going out of your way to compliment and agree with someone's accusation against you is weird to me, it sticks out.

Second response - what argument exactly should I be sticking to? There really aren't any that hold a lot of substance at the moment. There are a few posts that give a handhold here or there, and I said my piece about those. It's Day 1, it's Mafia; I'm looking for information. C'mon, we all know this; I'm not going to explain in detail and give the game away either. And yes, with it being day 1 with not everyone even checked in, but supposedly "serious" posts already being made, I AM scrutinizing black and white statements. Like you said, the more the bad guy says, the more chance we have to see him slip up.

#44 Galayn Lord

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:12 PM

Players not checked in yet:

Eloth, Kessobahn, Okral Lom, Tiamatha

#45 Kessobahn

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:42 PM

Checking in.

#46 Alkend

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:59 PM

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Its not that much of a compliment, was just letting BO know I knew what he was up to and approved the tac. I'm gonna be vocal, I'll get some shots at me. Thats how shit works and I'm happy to see someone took the initiative even if its misguided.

Also I do fucking redirect, its all there if you read it right. I haven't pointed fingers yet cause I'm still keen to review coasters closer to days end. I want Domingo out the picture. if a player gives a half ass performance they get the rope. Its fucking mafia, keeping quit should cost ya.

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Second response - what argument exactly should I be sticking to? There really aren't any that hold a lot of substance at the moment. There are a few posts that give a handhold here or there, and I said my piece about those. It's Day 1, it's Mafia; I'm looking for information. C'mon, we all know this; I'm not going to explain in detail and give the game away either. And yes, with it being day 1 with not everyone even checked in, but supposedly "serious" posts already being made, I AM scrutinizing black and white statements. Like you said, the more the bad guy says, the more chance we have to see him slip up.

Its day 1 sure but we all know what happens when you smear shit on people at every odd random thing. You start looking like a reacher and that gets annoying fast. I get that you're testing the waters, just don't get you over scrutinizing everything, waters down anything worthwhile you have to say. We've had a lot of content on thread.

Anyone after this not committing enough should get the rope. I'd focus on that for a good day 1.

Oh and shit, sure if we just play averages its a risk, so I hope someone comes up with a decent case later in the day but I'm gonna look out for coasters meanwhile. You guys can follow up on me regarding that.

Beks drive-by blame game catches my eye cause its all he came in to say in reply to my strategy. lets see what other shit goes down.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:02 PM

It is now Day 1. 27 hours 32 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Rikkter: Korabas

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 February 2014 - 10:02 PM

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.

#48 Okral Lom

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 10:51 PM

I agree with Alkend. Fuck coasters.

Vote Coaster

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:05 PM

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 09:08 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

Fuck Galyn you arent making much sense. You're saying everything and nothing. Can you maybe stick to one argument?

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 24 February 2014 - 07:29 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

Here. And bet this is our singleton. With a declaration that he'll be a low post, I wonder if Domingo will be anything but a low poster.

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 24 February 2014 - 07:45 PM, said:

First response makes sense to me, I've said similar things in other games recently. People gotta be proactive and push to get information, even if it is directed at me, so I don't mind either. I'm not sure he's "agreeing" with it per se.

Of course, my mafia-dar suggests that a hardnose coaster hunter could be a very interesting new front to hide behind. Conciliatory posts make my eyes narrow because 'lets agree, or not, but at least lets be friendly' posts are suspicious.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:14 PM

It is now Day 1. 26 hours 10 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Rikkter: Korabas

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.

#51 Tiamatha

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:42 PM

Checking in as well.

#52 Eloth

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 05:18 AM

I'm here, but all this needlessly antagonistic bullshit is irritating me, and also it's a nice day, so I'm going outside. I'll be back later.

#53 Korabas

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:12 AM

Everyone has posted at least once. Which is good to see. Eloth what do you expect? It all to be roses and lemons.

#54 Monok Ochem

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 08:30 AM

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

Everyone has posted at least once. Which is good to see. Eloth what do you expect? It all to be roses and lemons.

There's a difference between pushing and being uselessly throwing forceful terms around in order to look involved and pressuring.

"I disagree with you on that statement, Korabas" or "Korabas, that's a shitstorm of fucking misinformation" are essentially the same in mafia, after all, but the second seems more involved.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:01 AM

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

Everyone has posted at least once. Which is good to see. Eloth what do you expect? It all to be roses and lemons.

Yes, sorry I haven't read up properly yet but that's the only post Eloth wants to put out there. Come on.

#56 Alkend

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:49 AM

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

Everyone has posted at least once. Which is good to see. Eloth what do you expect? It all to be roses and lemons.

Agreed, its pretty fucked up.

Talking antagonistic bullshit in mafia happens though, if it bothers you sooooooo much I'll dial it down a bit, because I care so very, very much. (seriously. I do.)

Rather than chat that issue up to death how bout we look at some probable cases in a more Gentlemanly manner? *adjusts monocle, reviews thread*

Firstly, I'm looking at the Vote train. So far we have a Vote on Tiamatha by Rikky. Tiamatha just checked in, Obviously not bothered, playing it cool. Eloths contribution seems a bit lax aswell, Eloths obviously read up, would expect more from first posts on the second page of the game.

I don't get Rikkys vote but its Day 1 so probably baiting. I'm not sure what Domingos conditions are. Working of Iparth Erules comments I'd think another tac would be to watch for out of place vote initiation but I think its a bit far fetched to assume Rikkters up to something. We'd know better a bit later on in the game when patterns start popping up.

Okral Lom has me chuckling, guess they're onboard as is Denul and Galyn, that's interesting. I'm looking forward to more from Lock, Tiam, Eloth and BO, stepping in then gliding out as they did doesn't help.

Right now BO is obviously my candidate, started talk on the singleton, pointed a finger at me when I talked coaster hunt, then disappeared. Still think its a counter strategy to keep us at each others throats and deserves an explanation.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 09:58 AM

I've got only the next couple of hours to play today, as I'll be on the road in the afternoon and playing from home is mostly a no-no nowadays.
With regards to a coaster hunt, I'd say it's an interesting way of getting people to commit in a normal game. This is a faction game, though. It doesn't play by those rules and usually, the results are disastrous when we try.

After all, we're not hunting a small minority of scum here, and while both factions might theoretically be able to take a punch or two without immediately being taken out, no-one wants to lose their king/queen/hot shot through randomness. Not only that, this is still a number's game and dominating the lynch becomes important pretty soon, in particular when info about who is with whom spreads around.

For Alkend to suggest a coaster hunt, I'd say it is an interesting play because the one suggesting a coaster hunt is making clear he's not (considering himself) a coaster.
Kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it will be interesting to see how others treat it.

As for Domingo... I know that in games like these it is very easy to portray the single guy as the big target that needs to be hunted down (whether you call it Predator, serial killer, FM) all the time pretending we're united in the hunt, allowing us to obfuscate alignmentsa bit longer. Not sure if that principle applies here. Domingo's role is per the OP not equal to Last Man Standing (which usually goes for the above roles and most cults). After all, Last Man Standing is always valid and as such, there'd be no need for the other alternative VC. Basically, Domingo is a potential asset unless he has the chance to attain his private VC.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:30 AM

So you suggest a pseudo recruitment plea to Domingo?

I mean the way I see it we basically playing a chess game while a guy to the side of the board gets to press a button to blow the game up as it pleases him. He's just a bystander other wise.
Hate to say it but basic human nature supports the assumption Domingo will go for the summon. Treating the game differently runs a higher risk.

Hoping Domingo goes along with a particular factions play is pretty wishful but possible I admit. but we are hoping he swaps omnipotence for subservience...

Best case I'd expect from Domingo he tolerates the game till he gets singled out. The less pressure we apply on Dominigo the more leeway he has to get a retaliation ready.

I mean its a very elaborate big red button scenario.

Either We all turn our backs and hope he doesn't set up to press it or we all start looking for the signs he will make to press it.

I mean really what would you do? Personally I'd press the shit out that button.

Hence me saying we actively hunt him down. The method to do that I'm happy to review but seriously think its a mistake to ignore the guy outright.

#59 Korabas

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:41 AM

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 February 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 24 February 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Firstly, second.

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

Monok Ochem, on 24 February 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Good afternoon. Like a true primate, I'm first.

Secondly, you're not playing according to PS.

Therefore...

First!

Not my problem five of my alts weren't listed in the OP.

Now you've said that you know what needs to be done.

Vote Tiam

This vote is totally random including a bunch of gibberish as it makes you look like you could be signalling you aren't Wha'ts his name that started this whole mess to begin with. Sounds like he should be a priority for the group and then lets move on to figuring out wholes an original and who's a copy.

Erm nope, not totally random.

MO indicated he has multiple alts. The last time we had multiple alts was when Tiam and Rashan sung duets on thread. Tiam is playing, logically I voted for Tiam.

Day 1 joke vote. Christ, get a sense of humour.

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

We have 2 factions composed of identical numbers and characters. Epoch and Millenio being removed means we have two each of:
-King Sunday
-Queen Wednesday
-Lady Ete
-Mister Monday
-Sir Thursday
-Tertian

Based on previous games it is likely
-King Sunday has the ability to Time Shift (Epoch being the only other potential candidate for this)
-Mister Monday is a Guard
-Sir Thursday is a Vig
-Queen Weds or Lady Ete has a lover convo with the King (Ete more likely with the back story, although does raise an interesting point - can they be sure their lover is actually the correct version? So maybe Doppelganger Ete is actually talking to Original Sunday?)
-The other of Ete and Weds being RI
-Tertian has been a ninja before, think more likely to be RI this time

Now PS says Originals (I'm going to call them Originals and Doppelgangers from here on unless anyone has any terms they'd prefer) have an information advantage - I'd suspect this means some alts know who the real King Sunday is, or he knows who several real ones are and that roles remain balanced.

So, on to the big mystery, Domingo. Blend says it is based on the Voodoo Master from Mafia 87. A look in the spoilers there tells us that the summoning takes 1 blood sample from each faction plus a sample from a child and a zombie so potentially 5 actions needing to be completed to summon it. We have 2 factions and Domingo has already had contact with everyone so this is where whatever mechanic Blend has put in will fuck with our minds.

At the risk of scaring people, what if Domingo is a FM needing to take out say both King Sundays to absorb their time-displacing and summon Millennium?

TBQH I would expect Domingo to be playing quiet and low since he can coast to victory with *either* side or go for broke and try and take out everyone by summoning Millennium.

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Just looking back, why not vote Monok?

You just stated that he said he had multiple alts and then voted for a random alt.

#60 Monok Ochem

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 10:45 AM

I don't say 'ignore' and I don't say 'turn our backs'. If we nail him, fine - he's a target everyone can line up behind and it removes a hazard to both factions. But lynching him won't bring victory to my team one inch closer, it just staves of a particular form of defeat which is unlikely enough that he needs a back-up VC for it. Why give Domingo an alternate condition? Simple, because it is apparently pretty fucking hard to get there and achieving it probably will depend on the course of the game itself, on us doing lynching/killing X or not lynching/killing Y before he does something to them. Period.

As such, I think it is bullshit to put the focus on him.