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The four highest posters include Kara, Korlat and Myself, Cast is low lying.
So town like play from the top posters.
If I was to say cast is innocent then it's a coin flip but I think Korlat edges ahead in the scumminess department due to voting patterns and conviction.
I await Korlat's analysis.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:45 PM
Alright, here's Atrahal's activity in a fairly large nutshell.
Day 1:
- Starts off with the Shadow Fax post which was taken as potential signalling, but seeing as we now know that Shadow was not a killer...
- Has a run in with Karatallid over the OP, accuses Kara of trying to mask his post as content when it's empty.
- Votes Silchas. States that he actively want to focus on coasters this game.
- Reiterates that not letting low posters slide and getting rid of them sooner rather than later is imperative. One could say it's interesting that the guy who would become the highest poster says, 'let's all focus on the low posters' here.
Day 2:
- Mostly embroiled in comments about low posters, then votes Skintick for that reason. Removes his vote after Skin reveals healer, but after Tholen has already hammered. Realises only sometime later (and, to be fair, Skintick also does not realise that she's dead).
- Not really all that much notable activity for Atra this day, except at the very end there.
Day 3:
- Votes Gamelon (we see a pattern here, and, indeed, one they had pronounced they would take - Silchas, Skintick, now Gamelon).
- Switches vote to Karatallid, but over mistaken reasoning, saying that Kara had brought something up that had not been mentioned before and which could be signalling to a fellow killer. However, it is shown that Kara is not the first to bring it up.
- Tiamatha then reveals and Atrahal votes for Galayn, makes some noises about plausible doubt. More so, however, over Tiam being correct with his conclusions, than about the genuineness of Tiam's reveal.
Day 4:
- Makes a long case on Shadow, involving Cast as a symp based off of my own case on Cast as symp.
- Votes Shadow.
- Starts to waver on Shadow after the possibility of HP is put to them instead.
- Puts together a case based on that.
- Votes HP (this also means that, yes, he did have a case and reasoning on HP, even though it is not mentioned in his vote post).
- Says either Cast or HP, with Hanas symp. Says he feels differently on Shadow now when questioned on the turnaround, says he had the weekend to think about it.
- Says Cast and HP heavily linked, but HP we now know was not a killer.
Day 5:
- With HP dead, switches to Cast and Hanas, certain that Hanas is the symp after Hanas' hammer.
- Back to being suspicious of Shadow.
- Says Kara could be a killer, virtually the first time he's stated this outright aside from the earlier pressure vote.
- Deffo back to suspecting Shadow, basing it on Desra's posts now. Says Shadow accused Desra of muddying the thread, when in fact Shadow was the one doing that.
- Hanas as Shadow's symp.
- Atrahal now begins his daily summaries of what went down. Cast 'rings alarm bells' for him reading through.
- Once more switches to believing Shadow.
- Starts to link Cast and Karatallid together, round about the same time as I do.
- Thinks Shadow or Karatallid. Starts looking through both their posts, which is likelier to be scum.
- Pronounces Hanas is definitely symp.
- Has a go at Karatallid saying that Shadow is scum, which is quite rich coming from Atrahal who was basically thinking the same thing several times and even until recently. Atrahal is now torn between Cast and Karatallid.
- Atrahal asks if I want to vote for Shadow with him, which I still don't understand the reasoning behind. Can you explain Atrahal?
- Votes for Karatallid.
Day 6:
- Reads up, thinks of voting for me, then for Hanas, then for Kara, then for Cast.
- Tries a vote remove vote move on Hanas.
- Attacks Kara, saying that they're making no effort.
- Long refutal of Kara's old case on Atrahal. This is by far the most venomous and sarcastic that I have seen Atrahal be. Frustration boiling over?
- Votes Kara, removes vote again soon after.
- Now we're in the present, summaries on everyone's activity, comes to the conclusion that Cast is the killer.
Ok, thoughts in next post, but what do you guys get from this activity?
Day 1:
- Starts off with the Shadow Fax post which was taken as potential signalling, but seeing as we now know that Shadow was not a killer...
- Has a run in with Karatallid over the OP, accuses Kara of trying to mask his post as content when it's empty.
- Votes Silchas. States that he actively want to focus on coasters this game.
- Reiterates that not letting low posters slide and getting rid of them sooner rather than later is imperative. One could say it's interesting that the guy who would become the highest poster says, 'let's all focus on the low posters' here.
Day 2:
- Mostly embroiled in comments about low posters, then votes Skintick for that reason. Removes his vote after Skin reveals healer, but after Tholen has already hammered. Realises only sometime later (and, to be fair, Skintick also does not realise that she's dead).
- Not really all that much notable activity for Atra this day, except at the very end there.
Day 3:
- Votes Gamelon (we see a pattern here, and, indeed, one they had pronounced they would take - Silchas, Skintick, now Gamelon).
- Switches vote to Karatallid, but over mistaken reasoning, saying that Kara had brought something up that had not been mentioned before and which could be signalling to a fellow killer. However, it is shown that Kara is not the first to bring it up.
- Tiamatha then reveals and Atrahal votes for Galayn, makes some noises about plausible doubt. More so, however, over Tiam being correct with his conclusions, than about the genuineness of Tiam's reveal.
Day 4:
- Makes a long case on Shadow, involving Cast as a symp based off of my own case on Cast as symp.
- Votes Shadow.
- Starts to waver on Shadow after the possibility of HP is put to them instead.
- Puts together a case based on that.
- Votes HP (this also means that, yes, he did have a case and reasoning on HP, even though it is not mentioned in his vote post).
- Says either Cast or HP, with Hanas symp. Says he feels differently on Shadow now when questioned on the turnaround, says he had the weekend to think about it.
- Says Cast and HP heavily linked, but HP we now know was not a killer.
Day 5:
- With HP dead, switches to Cast and Hanas, certain that Hanas is the symp after Hanas' hammer.
- Back to being suspicious of Shadow.
- Says Kara could be a killer, virtually the first time he's stated this outright aside from the earlier pressure vote.
- Deffo back to suspecting Shadow, basing it on Desra's posts now. Says Shadow accused Desra of muddying the thread, when in fact Shadow was the one doing that.
- Hanas as Shadow's symp.
- Atrahal now begins his daily summaries of what went down. Cast 'rings alarm bells' for him reading through.
- Once more switches to believing Shadow.
- Starts to link Cast and Karatallid together, round about the same time as I do.
- Thinks Shadow or Karatallid. Starts looking through both their posts, which is likelier to be scum.
- Pronounces Hanas is definitely symp.
- Has a go at Karatallid saying that Shadow is scum, which is quite rich coming from Atrahal who was basically thinking the same thing several times and even until recently. Atrahal is now torn between Cast and Karatallid.
- Atrahal asks if I want to vote for Shadow with him, which I still don't understand the reasoning behind. Can you explain Atrahal?
- Votes for Karatallid.
Day 6:
- Reads up, thinks of voting for me, then for Hanas, then for Kara, then for Cast.
- Tries a vote remove vote move on Hanas.
- Attacks Kara, saying that they're making no effort.
- Long refutal of Kara's old case on Atrahal. This is by far the most venomous and sarcastic that I have seen Atrahal be. Frustration boiling over?
- Votes Kara, removes vote again soon after.
- Now we're in the present, summaries on everyone's activity, comes to the conclusion that Cast is the killer.
Ok, thoughts in next post, but what do you guys get from this activity?
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:52 PM
Regards to the Shadow positioning that I asked you about Korlat, one I was tired and going to bed, so maybe not thinking straight, I knew we needed lynch and I was thinking having Shadow at D day would just cloud the thread and make people thinking of him as scum, although at this point I believed him to be innocent, I thought that his CF would clear the water somewhat.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:52 PM
Korlat, on 13 June 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:
Alright, here's Atrahal's activity in a fairly large nutshell.
Day 1:
- Starts off with the Shadow Fax post which was taken as potential signalling, but seeing as we now know that Shadow was not a killer...
- Has a run in with Karatallid over the OP, accuses Kara of trying to mask his post as content when it's empty.
- Votes Silchas. States that he actively want to focus on coasters this game.
- Reiterates that not letting low posters slide and getting rid of them sooner rather than later is imperative. One could say it's interesting that the guy who would become the highest poster says, 'let's all focus on the low posters' here.
Day 2:
- Mostly embroiled in comments about low posters, then votes Skintick for that reason. Removes his vote after Skin reveals healer, but after Tholen has already hammered. Realises only sometime later (and, to be fair, Skintick also does not realise that she's dead).
- Not really all that much notable activity for Atra this day, except at the very end there.
Day 3:
- Votes Gamelon (we see a pattern here, and, indeed, one they had pronounced they would take - Silchas, Skintick, now Gamelon).
- Switches vote to Karatallid, but over mistaken reasoning, saying that Kara had brought something up that had not been mentioned before and which could be signalling to a fellow killer. However, it is shown that Kara is not the first to bring it up.
- Tiamatha then reveals and Atrahal votes for Galayn, makes some noises about plausible doubt. More so, however, over Tiam being correct with his conclusions, than about the genuineness of Tiam's reveal.
Day 4:
- Makes a long case on Shadow, involving Cast as a symp based off of my own case on Cast as symp.
- Votes Shadow.
- Starts to waver on Shadow after the possibility of HP is put to them instead.
- Puts together a case based on that.
- Votes HP (this also means that, yes, he did have a case and reasoning on HP, even though it is not mentioned in his vote post).
- Says either Cast or HP, with Hanas symp. Says he feels differently on Shadow now when questioned on the turnaround, says he had the weekend to think about it.
- Says Cast and HP heavily linked, but HP we now know was not a killer.
Day 5:
- With HP dead, switches to Cast and Hanas, certain that Hanas is the symp after Hanas' hammer.
- Back to being suspicious of Shadow.
- Says Kara could be a killer, virtually the first time he's stated this outright aside from the earlier pressure vote.
- Deffo back to suspecting Shadow, basing it on Desra's posts now. Says Shadow accused Desra of muddying the thread, when in fact Shadow was the one doing that.
- Hanas as Shadow's symp.
- Atrahal now begins his daily summaries of what went down. Cast 'rings alarm bells' for him reading through.
- Once more switches to believing Shadow.
- Starts to link Cast and Karatallid together, round about the same time as I do.
- Thinks Shadow or Karatallid. Starts looking through both their posts, which is likelier to be scum.
- Pronounces Hanas is definitely symp.
- Has a go at Karatallid saying that Shadow is scum, which is quite rich coming from Atrahal who was basically thinking the same thing several times and even until recently. Atrahal is now torn between Cast and Karatallid.
- Atrahal asks if I want to vote for Shadow with him, which I still don't understand the reasoning behind. Can you explain Atrahal?
- Votes for Karatallid.
Day 6:
- Reads up, thinks of voting for me, then for Hanas, then for Kara, then for Cast.
- Tries a vote remove vote move on Hanas.
- Attacks Kara, saying that they're making no effort.
- Long refutal of Kara's old case on Atrahal. This is by far the most venomous and sarcastic that I have seen Atrahal be. Frustration boiling over?
- Votes Kara, removes vote again soon after.
- Now we're in the present, summaries on everyone's activity, comes to the conclusion that Cast is the killer.
Ok, thoughts in next post, but what do you guys get from this activity?
Day 1:
- Starts off with the Shadow Fax post which was taken as potential signalling, but seeing as we now know that Shadow was not a killer...
- Has a run in with Karatallid over the OP, accuses Kara of trying to mask his post as content when it's empty.
- Votes Silchas. States that he actively want to focus on coasters this game.
- Reiterates that not letting low posters slide and getting rid of them sooner rather than later is imperative. One could say it's interesting that the guy who would become the highest poster says, 'let's all focus on the low posters' here.
Day 2:
- Mostly embroiled in comments about low posters, then votes Skintick for that reason. Removes his vote after Skin reveals healer, but after Tholen has already hammered. Realises only sometime later (and, to be fair, Skintick also does not realise that she's dead).
- Not really all that much notable activity for Atra this day, except at the very end there.
Day 3:
- Votes Gamelon (we see a pattern here, and, indeed, one they had pronounced they would take - Silchas, Skintick, now Gamelon).
- Switches vote to Karatallid, but over mistaken reasoning, saying that Kara had brought something up that had not been mentioned before and which could be signalling to a fellow killer. However, it is shown that Kara is not the first to bring it up.
- Tiamatha then reveals and Atrahal votes for Galayn, makes some noises about plausible doubt. More so, however, over Tiam being correct with his conclusions, than about the genuineness of Tiam's reveal.
Day 4:
- Makes a long case on Shadow, involving Cast as a symp based off of my own case on Cast as symp.
- Votes Shadow.
- Starts to waver on Shadow after the possibility of HP is put to them instead.
- Puts together a case based on that.
- Votes HP (this also means that, yes, he did have a case and reasoning on HP, even though it is not mentioned in his vote post).
- Says either Cast or HP, with Hanas symp. Says he feels differently on Shadow now when questioned on the turnaround, says he had the weekend to think about it.
- Says Cast and HP heavily linked, but HP we now know was not a killer.
Day 5:
- With HP dead, switches to Cast and Hanas, certain that Hanas is the symp after Hanas' hammer.
- Back to being suspicious of Shadow.
- Says Kara could be a killer, virtually the first time he's stated this outright aside from the earlier pressure vote.
- Deffo back to suspecting Shadow, basing it on Desra's posts now. Says Shadow accused Desra of muddying the thread, when in fact Shadow was the one doing that.
- Hanas as Shadow's symp.
- Atrahal now begins his daily summaries of what went down. Cast 'rings alarm bells' for him reading through.
- Once more switches to believing Shadow.
- Starts to link Cast and Karatallid together, round about the same time as I do.
- Thinks Shadow or Karatallid. Starts looking through both their posts, which is likelier to be scum.
- Pronounces Hanas is definitely symp.
- Has a go at Karatallid saying that Shadow is scum, which is quite rich coming from Atrahal who was basically thinking the same thing several times and even until recently. Atrahal is now torn between Cast and Karatallid.
- Atrahal asks if I want to vote for Shadow with him, which I still don't understand the reasoning behind. Can you explain Atrahal?
- Votes for Karatallid.
Day 6:
- Reads up, thinks of voting for me, then for Hanas, then for Kara, then for Cast.
- Tries a vote remove vote move on Hanas.
- Attacks Kara, saying that they're making no effort.
- Long refutal of Kara's old case on Atrahal. This is by far the most venomous and sarcastic that I have seen Atrahal be. Frustration boiling over?
- Votes Kara, removes vote again soon after.
- Now we're in the present, summaries on everyone's activity, comes to the conclusion that Cast is the killer.
Ok, thoughts in next post, but what do you guys get from this activity?
Don't forget that you are scummy now too.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:54 PM
Cast, how does your snippy little remarks get us anywhere here. he has gone to the trouble of creating that beautiful post and all you can say is that? You don't want us to know your opinions other than Atrahal is scummy?
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:56 PM
Alright, well, I'm done waiting around for a decision.
vote Cast
Let's see what happens. *crosses fingers*
vote Cast
Let's see what happens. *crosses fingers*
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:56 PM
Atrahal, on 13 June 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:
Cast, how does your snippy little remarks get us anywhere here. he has gone to the trouble of creating that beautiful post and all you can say is that? You don't want us to know your opinions other than Atrahal is scummy?
I was referring to your post that Korlat is scummy. That got missed in the in depth analysis.
Atrahal, on 13 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:
The four highest posters include Kara, Korlat and Myself, Cast is low lying.
So town like play from the top posters.
If I was to say cast is innocent then it's a coin flip but I think Korlat edges ahead in the scumminess department due to voting patterns and conviction.
I await Korlat's analysis.
So town like play from the top posters.
If I was to say cast is innocent then it's a coin flip but I think Korlat edges ahead in the scumminess department due to voting patterns and conviction.
I await Korlat's analysis.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:58 PM
So what we get from Atrahal is someone who states his intentions outright at the very beginning, and basically tries to follow through on that for the first three days. That is, get rid of the low posters early. While I'm not sure I would agree with that broad objective, Atrahal is really anything but flip-floppy the first few days, which is somewhat of a contrast to how he becomes later on in the game.
When Atrahal does come off his low-poster kick, the basis for every idea and opinion is thrown up on thread. That is, everything he says is based on something he has seen, and you can follow his train of thought at all times. Having said that, a lot of those times that is one bizarre train, and a fair few contradictions and nonsensicalities are thrown up along the way. It's almost like Atrahal has a post-before-thinking-things-through mentality. This is potentially harmful to town because it clutters up the thread and can rope in the non-careful reader, but it is not something I would regularly associate with scum, who are anything quite careful in their posting (I state, not always the case, but if we're going with odds, then they're good ones...).
For me personally, Atrahal has a worrying habit as the game goes on on picking up something I've said and running with it. Suspicions of Cast, HP, and Karatallid are cases in point I think. I don't know what to make of this. Because alongside that Atrahal also does post a lot of his own thinking, on the likes of Shadow, Hanas, Tholen, etc.
Ultimately, I still see Atrahal as more likely town. I think.
When Atrahal does come off his low-poster kick, the basis for every idea and opinion is thrown up on thread. That is, everything he says is based on something he has seen, and you can follow his train of thought at all times. Having said that, a lot of those times that is one bizarre train, and a fair few contradictions and nonsensicalities are thrown up along the way. It's almost like Atrahal has a post-before-thinking-things-through mentality. This is potentially harmful to town because it clutters up the thread and can rope in the non-careful reader, but it is not something I would regularly associate with scum, who are anything quite careful in their posting (I state, not always the case, but if we're going with odds, then they're good ones...).
For me personally, Atrahal has a worrying habit as the game goes on on picking up something I've said and running with it. Suspicions of Cast, HP, and Karatallid are cases in point I think. I don't know what to make of this. Because alongside that Atrahal also does post a lot of his own thinking, on the likes of Shadow, Hanas, Tholen, etc.
Ultimately, I still see Atrahal as more likely town. I think.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:02 PM
Korlat, on 13 June 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:
So what we get from Atrahal is someone who states his intentions outright at the very beginning, and basically tries to follow through on that for the first three days. That is, get rid of the low posters early. While I'm not sure I would agree with that broad objective, Atrahal is really anything but flip-floppy the first few days, which is somewhat of a contrast to how he becomes later on in the game.
When Atrahal does come off his low-poster kick, the basis for every idea and opinion is thrown up on thread. That is, everything he says is based on something he has seen, and you can follow his train of thought at all times. Having said that, a lot of those times that is one bizarre train, and a fair few contradictions and nonsensicalities are thrown up along the way. It's almost like Atrahal has a post-before-thinking-things-through mentality. This is potentially harmful to town because it clutters up the thread and can rope in the non-careful reader, but it is not something I would regularly associate with scum, who are anything quite careful in their posting (I state, not always the case, but if we're going with odds, then they're good ones...).
For me personally, Atrahal has a worrying habit as the game goes on on picking up something I've said and running with it. Suspicions of Cast, HP, and Karatallid are cases in point I think. I don't know what to make of this. Because alongside that Atrahal also does post a lot of his own thinking, on the likes of Shadow, Hanas, Tholen, etc.
Ultimately, I still see Atrahal as more likely town. I think.
When Atrahal does come off his low-poster kick, the basis for every idea and opinion is thrown up on thread. That is, everything he says is based on something he has seen, and you can follow his train of thought at all times. Having said that, a lot of those times that is one bizarre train, and a fair few contradictions and nonsensicalities are thrown up along the way. It's almost like Atrahal has a post-before-thinking-things-through mentality. This is potentially harmful to town because it clutters up the thread and can rope in the non-careful reader, but it is not something I would regularly associate with scum, who are anything quite careful in their posting (I state, not always the case, but if we're going with odds, then they're good ones...).
For me personally, Atrahal has a worrying habit as the game goes on on picking up something I've said and running with it. Suspicions of Cast, HP, and Karatallid are cases in point I think. I don't know what to make of this. Because alongside that Atrahal also does post a lot of his own thinking, on the likes of Shadow, Hanas, Tholen, etc.
Ultimately, I still see Atrahal as more likely town. I think.
You should be a head doctor. I am not disagreeing. See this post here makes me believe in you again, so when you turn up scum and we lost at least it was to your brilliance. Yet that's fine you got a town, now can you find us a scum. I'd love for you to come to the same conclusion about Cast as I. I don't want to be the sole reason for us losing after gusty playing so well early on.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:04 PM
Cast, on 13 June 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:
Well, after much waiting I'm putting my vote down.
For apparent sympage by Hanas
vote Kara
For apparent sympage by Hanas
vote Kara
hanas has symped most people. I can put a case against me for Hanas symping me, out of everyone on thread, I am the only person he hasn't voted.
He voted for you yesterday and korlat today, what do you make of those?
Stop focusing on the symp because that is what he wants you to do.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:04 PM
Let's hope neither Atrahal nor Korlat are scum, as I'm now at L-1.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:05 PM
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Well, after much waiting I'm putting my vote down.
For apparent sympage by Hanas
vote Kara
Well, after much waiting I'm putting my vote down.
For apparent sympage by Hanas
vote Kara
Gah. I vote him because he votes you and you vote him because I'm symping him.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:05 PM
Hanas, on 13 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:
Atrahal, on 13 June 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:
Sorry Kara but I want to see where Korlat wants to vote. I don't want scum to just hammer.
Cast has managed to make me think she's town. So
Vote Kara
See look.
Now what do we do.
I could actually vote Kara thinking that Hanas is trying to double bluff us.
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Posted 13 June 2013 - 04:05 PM
The non-Karatallid lynch irks me mightily. I can just see that being the kind of thing that comes back to kick me in the ass at the end. The moment we had them and they slipped through. The issue is that since then Kara has been very logical in what he's been saying.
The spurt in activity by Cast now. Worried scum, or town desperate to help us pull through this?
Here's another thing, I'm not sure if it's relevant now but I want to put all my thoughts out here. If Hanas is not a symp (I am about 70/30 convinced that he is), then that symp, to my mind, has to be Tholen. Atrahal mentioned in one of his posts that the way Tholen was playing was a lot like a scum in a previous game, and that jogged me, as I would say that Tholen was playing EXACTLY like that scum.
The spurt in activity by Cast now. Worried scum, or town desperate to help us pull through this?
Here's another thing, I'm not sure if it's relevant now but I want to put all my thoughts out here. If Hanas is not a symp (I am about 70/30 convinced that he is), then that symp, to my mind, has to be Tholen. Atrahal mentioned in one of his posts that the way Tholen was playing was a lot like a scum in a previous game, and that jogged me, as I would say that Tholen was playing EXACTLY like that scum.
