[Hood's Path]

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP

Now this post doesn't make sense to me

The underlined part confuses with syntax, sorry - are you saying that you're voting me based on you being a symp or what?

second line - Are you saying Atrahal is supporting Shadow's play by voting me and is therefore a symp?

[Cast]

Hood, on 10 June 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP

Now this post doesn't make sense to me

The underlined part confuses with syntax, sorry - are you saying that you're voting me based on you being a symp or what?

second line - Are you saying Atrahal is supporting Shadow's play by voting me and is therefore a symp?

I'm pointing out that his behavior could look just as sympish as my own.

At this point it's all just about clearing all the WIFOM. Maybe you ARE a killer and Hanas is your symp. I'm most certainly not, nor am I connected to you.

[Karatallid]

Alright, so I am going to reinforce the case that Atrahal isthe symp, Shadow is the scum… Here’s my reasoning, starting all the way back onDay 1:



His very first post is a potential signal to Shadow:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax.Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



Seewhat I did there?

ButI try to put little to no faith in signalling cases, so beyond pointing it outfor posterity’s sake, I’ll move on from this.



Then he does his best to make it look like I’m being scummy bydeliberately misinterpreting my posts about how scum are most likely on thesame team. Then he basically just doeswhat he can to push a lynch on me for a completely bullshit reason:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I waspointing out how much of a retard Kara is and that we should lynch him to avoidfurther embarrassment from him at a later stage in the game. Parroting the OP inorder to look useful and insightful.

Themajority of my posts to that point were in response to questions about whetherthe killers were on the same team or not, yet Atrahal takes five words out ofone if my posts and makes it out to be a super scummy move… then:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

So the game the last two games have seen scum win when theylow post and scum lose when they had a high post count. So what are you sayinghere?


If PScalls a spade a spade and then you come and say that you "think" thespade is a spade then I am going to think you are a retard. I'd prefer you topost and contribute, that's great. Just don't be a retard.

Just keeps on pushing, and pushing… Unfortunately for him, the rest of you aresmart enough to see an idiot case when they see one… So he moves on to Silchas because of a jokevote on me for being French:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 03 June 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Bonjourmes amis!!!

Fuckyou Frenchie!

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Honestlythough, you haven't read, what, MoI? I'm pretty sure that's wherethe HoL are first mentioned as possibly existing. It seems a littlecrazy to me that someone who has been on these boards as long as everyone whois signed up for this game has been, and hasn't read at least up to MoI, letalone the whole series. Regardless, it's not like it's a plotshattering spoiler, at least.

I juststarted Deadhouse Gates...

vote Kara

Verysilly reason to vote. IGMEOY

Thething is that he blatantly says he thinks that Silchas is most likely a symp:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Thereare always veiled reasons about mafia moves and posts. On the surface thislooks like a joke vote but that makes me suspicious of why you are joking aroundlike that when there are two kiillers playing this game and D day is not faraway. people dragon sex fair enough but votes are important and throwingthem around willy nilly for absolute bullshit reasons can only be something asymp would do.

But regardless of him most likely being a symp, that’s wherehis vote goes:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

Fornow I am going to



Vote Silchas Ruin



Theonly content he provided was the joke vote and a few one liners in response tome. Since then he hasn't done anything to engage in conversation. I am not surewhere I place Desra and Shadow at the moment. One of them could be a sympmuddying the waters. I want to focus on the people that don't want to stand outand coast along.

Then he makes this post here…

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Peopledon't want to take the lead as day one we are usually wrong. I am happy with mySilchas vote for now but obviously I am around to try and lynch. I thinklynching the lowest poster instead of modkill, or Tholen for whatever crap thatpost was may be our best choice as time winds down.

Basically, he’s saying that he’s okay with voting for who hehas said he thinks is most likely a symp, but would rather lynch a low poster,but is okay with voting wherever the thread is, maybe even Tholen. Trying to be pretty helpful, but throwingbits of suspicion all around him like it’s glitter in a gay bar.



Now we move on to the reason why I think that he is sympingShadow…



The moment I lay a vote on Shadow, he jumps on me for sayingShelly instead of Silchas, okay, fine, but then he brings up the low-posterroute again.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

AlsoKara you think it is a viable option of us leaving the bottom 4/5 posters aliveto fuck us over again like the last few games?

Ashe had already stated, Silchas wasn’t among the lowest posters (though he waspretty down there, and his content was strongly lacking), was likely a symp,but was good enough for his vote… Andthen:

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Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

To addto that if you think Shadow and Silchas are signalling each other then why notget rid of useless Silchas? I'll vote Shadows way if we'd come downto the last few hours and we need a lynch but I'd hate for this game to goquiet at a later stage because town and the killers offed the more vocalplayers. Why would scum kill any of the lower "hiding"players? Whenthey can just hide in there themselves.

Supernice, trying to play it off as if it’s no big deal if Shadow ends up being thetarget, but still subtly trying to move us away from these suspicions. Anyway, the Shadow train never picked up toomuch traction, so we all moved on to Silchas, who CFs as inno, which Atrahalset himself up nicely be all like “I told you so,” though the same can be saidabout me.

[Karatallid]

So,moving on to Day 2:



Startsthe day off making random stupid comments and deliberately misinterpretingposts again. When people startdiscussing what happened during Night 1 that resulted in no Night Kills heimmediately jumps on them because "It's all WIFOM, there's no point." Though I agree that any discussion regardingwhy there were no kills during Night 1 is completely WIFOM, I don't see thepoint in discouraging someone from actively participating in the game. He's basically doing his best to steer peopleaway form discussing anything having to do with the killers, and then themoment he finds something he can use he jumps on it. Point in case:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Tholenwas a soletaken so let's vote him. Ooops spoiler. (not really, just read thatpart in the bonehunters, and it was only in passing).



Mypoint I am trying to make above is voting for pathetic reasons should be beyondus. There are people playing that have less posts than Path Shaper. Fair enoughsome of them cannot help it, some promise to be around after a certain date,yet people like Skintick need to go.



Promisingposts

Skintick, on 03 June 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Checkingin. Will have time to read the thread in about two hours.

yetwhen they do..

Skintick, on 04 June 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Sorryguys, will be able to play more later

Vote Silchas Ruin

Onlyto get a lynch, sorry.

Ihaven't been able to follow the game and it doesn't help that two pages areblocked by my work filter.

No itisn't

Skintick, on 04 June 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Desra, on 04 June 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

Venesarahasn't posted at all. I am less inclined to lynch if there is a potentialmodkill in the works. No sense losing a total of 4 players on day/night 1.

Forthose of you who are math challenged. That is one loss to modkill, one loss tolynch then two seperate kills by scum.

Hmm,good point...

Skintick, on 05 June 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

So isthat killers afraid of hitting one another, a successful heal, a successfulguard, or some combination therein? And this is the second time I'veseen this from Shin in recent history file:///C:\DOCUME~1\savoiem\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001.gif

Healerand guard both getting it right would be rather unlikely. My guessis that one killer abstained, the other forgot to put an action in, and thehealer was guarded. Or Shin was a killer and Liz gave the role tosomebody else.

...that's incredibly specific...

So thequestion for town is, are we going to let this keep happening?

Skintick, on 05 June 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

Skintick, on 05 June 2013 - 03:31 AM, said:

Hesays after post 260...

Way tokill the thread. I think post 260 was sarcasm, or that is how I read it.

*clap*

Youjust get one.

I'mgoing read the thread properly and see what's up.

Ido believe that's the first 'case' against Skintick during Day 2, and probablywhat started the train on him. Whensomeone asks him for a clear indicator of his position, he comes out with this:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

@castI think

I voted Silchas by thinking he was trying tohide, keeping his post count middle of the pack, joke voting and not reallyengaging us in conversation, or pushing any of his own ideas out there. I wentaway, and when I checked back later I saw that day would time out when I wasasleep. By then there where quite a few votes on Silchas, did Silchas defend?Not properly, why? Why was he disinterested in being lynched?



Onetheory was that he was protecting his master? That makes me look at Shadow. Yethe could have just been a disinterested townie.



Ididn't look to much at Desra yesterday, but I did say both Shadow and he lookedlike they could be the symp. What makes me think Desra is a little scummy washis "no lynch" thoughts. That would be bad for town if we weren't tolynch. A symp would love a no lynch.



I haveother thoughts but I am keeping them to myself for now, as they involve someoneI haven't mentioned. I have my eye on him though.

Sohe mentions Shadow as possible scum, but immediately dismisses it. He doesn't want to be seen as being toofriendly to Shadow, so he has to mention him as potential scum, but he quicklymoves on to mention that Desra seemed pretty scummy for suggesting a no-lynch,which is just another easy accusation to make, and then says he's got his eyeon a mysterious other person, but won't say who.



But,despite all that, he still places his vote on Skintick, effectively startingthe second train that leads to an inno lynch:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Vote Skintick



I amdone with low posting coasters. we can form an opinion about everyone else butguys like this make end game when they should have been gone early doors. Iwould hate for him to be a scum winner.

[Karatallid]

Hediscusses GL being possibly linked to scum, but doesn't really venture anopinion about the matter. He just offersup a few possibilities as to why GL hammered Silchas:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Exactposts as they happen. Is Shadow suggesting GL was lurking? Did GL hammer tolook more like town, to avoid looking scummy because he was mentioned, to get alynch, There is an 8 - 10 minute Gap between Shadow posting about GL and GLvoting.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Silchas Ruin

Forlynch, catching up now.

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 04 June 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I'veseen the WIFOM shit too often. However, I'd rather keep playing than dieobviously.

I'drather not go through again.
Vote Silchas Ruin

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

It isDay 1. 14 minutes remaining

15Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood'sPath, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha,Venesara

8votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick,Shadow, Hanas )
1 Votefor Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Votefor Shadow ( Korlat )

Playersnot voted: Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara

Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

WhileI agree with Desra that a no-lynch isn't the end of the world... we'll just bein the same boat tomorrow with no actual train to analyze, but whoknows. Maybe the killers will take each other out .

Thatself-vote to self vote removal is...interesting. You state you areworried about WIFOM...and then you go and create it. Iirc there wasa scum who wouldn't self vote last game, then self voted the next day andremoved. Just sayin.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Silchas,you're right about WIFOM.

Nolynch doesn't benefit town here. It's not a total catastrophe either, but it'sa poor start.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

Noteworthythat GL was around.

Galayn Lord, on 04 June 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

vote Ruin

Galayn Lord, on 04 June 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

Noteworthythat GL was around.

I stilam, though afk. I don't see Ruin as scum, but town needs a lynch.

Hethen disappears until right after Skintick reveals as healer. At that point, he pops his head back up todiscredit the reveal:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

Skintickdid you code this in anywhere?

Asidefrom that, when he gets accused of being Shadow's symp earlier in the game, hegives what approximates to me as being perhaps the lamest excuse ever:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Readingup yesterday I feel that Shadow is defending himself too much, why?



Lookingback I have been mentioned quite a few times as a possible symp, if this leadsto a Shadow lynch and he is scum then I am happy with people thinking I am asymp and would gladly be lynched but I do not think a symp would be so blatantas to point a finger in his masters direction. Another reason for it to beimpossible for me to be the symp is because I have not been around towards dayend, day one I miss the last 8 hours of the day or so. Today I have missedeverything from leaving work yesterday to waking up this morning. You'd thinkthat a symp would pay more attention and actually you know symp.


As tosomeone saying I have lead both trains, how? I voted Silchas first and I didn'tpush the case at all. Today I voted Skintick which I felt warranted the vote.If he gets lynched it is because of his retarded play. Good job of getting thewhole thread to dislike you by the way.

I amplaying with town interests at heart and will continue to do so, if I getlynched fine, but I don't want to be labelled as a potential symp when I amnot. Lynch Shadow fine, he comes up scum, lynch me, I'm happy with that. Yet donot lynch Shadow for thinking I am his symp, i'd lynch him for his constantdefense. I really believe one of Desra or Shadow is the symp. Way to keep focuson Shadow if that is all he is doing.



As toSkintick, should I remove my vote? I obviously do not want to lynch the healer,but I also do not want the real healer to counter reveal, if Skintick is lying.

Thething that strikes me about this is that he's basically saying, if I'm a symp,then I'm a sucky symp cause I haven't been around. And dear gods, if you guys lynch Shadow, thengreat! He's basically trying to discounthis idea of being a symp, then reinforces the really obvious symping ofShadow. I think he's hiding behind a purposefulbad symp job. He's playing the "we're allbetter Mafia players than that, come on!" card, and it's working. And then he says, it doesn't really matteranyway, cause I think Shadow's the symp. So he adds that in to say, hey, if you believe that I'm town, then youmust believe what I have to say. I'mgoing to continue to reinforce my idea that Shadow is a symp, so that you guyswon't look at him too closely.



He's'playing with town's best interest at heart', but he started the train onSilchas the townie, and Skintick the healer. The moment that Skintick reveals healer, he comes on and tries to discreditthe reveal. The moment Shadow gets muchattention, he does what he can to deflect away from him, or to try to pain himas a symp, so less important than a killer.



Anyway,moving on…



Hedoes try to remove his vote from Skintick:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Remove vote



Youhealed Desra? Any reason for that?

Can'tmake it seem too obviously scummy post-reveal. But he was too late, Tholen had already hammered. How convenient for him. He gets rid of the healer, and he gets abeauty of a target for Day 3, Tholen, who hammered the healer.



Anyway,that wraps up Day 2, and I'm still convinced… Moving on to Day 3 now…

[Hood's Path]

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 10 June 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP

Now this post doesn't make sense to me

The underlined part confuses with syntax, sorry - are you saying that you're voting me based on you being a symp or what?

second line - Are you saying Atrahal is supporting Shadow's play by voting me and is therefore a symp?

I'm pointing out that his behavior could look just as sympish as my own.

At this point it's all just about clearing all the WIFOM. Maybe you ARE a killer and Hanas is your symp. I'm most certainly not, nor am I connected to you.

You still didn't explain the second line. You have given no reason for voting me that makes sense

[Karatallid]

Defendshis vote on Skintick:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I signed in too late to do anything, but I don'tthink there was anything new that would have encouraged me to voteSkintick. I didn't like KL's play here, but she did say she wouldn'thave much time this week in the sign up. SUCKS THAT YOU LYNCHED THEFUCKING HEALER!

So now we have two lynch trains tocompare.

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra,Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, SilchasRuin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal,Tholen, Karatallid,Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path,Silchas Ruin, Venesara
Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra,Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick,Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal,Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha,Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat,Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healedthat guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

What stands out to me here is that Atrahalstarts both trains and Tiam and Kara vote one after the other in both aroundthe middle of the train, again building the momentum. If Tiam weresymp and trying to follow Atrahal, that would explain his position in bothtrains as well as the Shadow case. I need to look closer at Kara andTiam's interactions.

It doesn't also stand out that you are not oneither train and both days you have voted for me? Are you not town? Then you'dwant to lynch, why are you on neither train, the first train came close to nothappening. Skintick revealed healer with an hour to go, how does that help uschoose a different target?


Skintick played a terrible game as far as I amconcerned. After 4-5 votes she should have come out and give us theinformation, not fucking say she will say something then disappear. Look at thevotes for Skintick, I made my reasoning known. I wasn't to know everyone elsewould follow my vote.



Should I abstain from voting today?

Skintick’splaying a horrible game, so it’s okay that I started the train on thehealer. Who cares that Atrahal’s onlyreasoning was to aim for the low posters. It just seems like an easy excuse to vote for anyone he wants to. If he was the symp, then he could just easilypick out any low poster he wants and vote them, knowing he won’t be hittingscum. It’s too convenient, if you askme. Of course, his first Day 3 vote goesdirectly to a low-poster. Easy choice,there:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

For now though, in the interests of town and thegame I am going to vote Gamelon.



Vote Gamelon



When will game time out for the weekend? ifit is after this day then I will vote Galayn Lord, or Hanas. I want to hearmore from those low lying people. Gamelon said after Friday for input. If thisday goes into the weekend then Gaemlon can get caught up and give us histhoughts.

Yet,like a dog worrying a bone, he comes back to me the moment I pop my head upduring Day 3 to discuss what could possibly have happened during Night 2:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, orthat KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused aboutwhat's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that'sjust that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven'thad any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killersnow that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiplereasons.

Soit’s scummy that I’m throwing out possibilities, but it’s okay when he doesit? Either way, I know it’s all WIFOM,so I’ll move on from this, just needed to point it out for posterity’s sake…



Sothen he votes for me cause I point out that I think the killers probably havean alternating kill:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

This is the first time this has been mentionedthis game. We have seen no kills indicating this. How can we know that youaren't signalling another killer with knowledge that we do not have. Only thekillers will know their roles and how it would work. For this I am voting foryou.


Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

Tryingto say that it’s the first time this has been mentioned on thread, which itwasn’t. Shadow had already said it. I call him on it, and he comes up with thislame excuse:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Well um, this is easiest way for a killer to letanother killer know who they are. They will presumably have the same PM so bydiscussing possibilities they can throw the right one on thread to signal theother. Reading fail byme much? I'd be happy to vote him for mentioning it first or you for just goingalong with it.

Hesays he’d be happy to vote for Shadow, but he doesn’t actually remove his votefrom me yet. Luckily for him, before hehas to make any more of an argument in that direction, Tiamatha reveals Guard,and we all know how the rest of that day goes.



Atrahaldoes put his vote on GL, ‘gotta test the reveal’, but he doesn’t do so withoutmentioning that it could be a clever way to draw out the guard…

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Remove Vote



Vote Gay Lord



Testthe reveal. Only, say the killers did abstain from killing for just thisreason. I thought of it way back when, start of day one. If I was a killer i'dnot kill until I had identified my partner. I also thought that if the guardrevealed then the healer could just keep on healing him. Also if he revealedand someone counter revealed then we would have the symp or killer lynched aswell as the guard. 1 scum for one roled town. I don't know, I believe you butyou could be the symp sowing confusion, IF THIS IS THE CASE I SAY DO NOTCOUNTER REVEAL GUARD.


What amess.



It'stoo early to tell so I just pray Galayn Lord comes up scum.

Justenough to throw a bit of doubt on Tiamatha, but not enough to really make himlook suspicious. Though he continues todiscuss the possibility of Shadow being linked to GL, he spends much more timetrying to show how Tiam’s reveal has lots of potential to be quite fake. The story doesn’t pick up any traction, as I’msure he was expecting, but he had already put his vote on GL to test thereveal, so there’s no need for him to worry about it. He spends the rest of the day basically makingevery townie move in the book, doing everything he can to make himself keeplooking like a townie, building trust with everyone, etc.



Shadowbasically does the same – pushes the whole let’s wait until we get GL’s side ofthe story. Of course, if Shadow is scum,that’s exactly what he would want, for us to wait until his partner came onlineto do something about the reveal. Ofcourse, GL didn’t do a very good job at rebutting the reveal, so there was noreason for any of us to vote elsewhere, and Shadow basically had no choice butto vote him at that point.

[Karatallid]

Ofcourse, this whole thing kind of falls on its face early Day 4, when Atrahalspends a good few hours bashing Shadow down into the ground, puts a vote onhim, pulls a bunch of quotes that make Shadow look really scummy, and evenargues against other cases.Though, ofcourse, he does fall back on the let’s lynch a low poster thing, so there’sthat…



Thething is, he does all this before the weekend freeze, then removes his vote andstarts to put together a case against HP. Why can’t you make your mind up, Atrahal? So now we're all following along like little sheep, just as we've done for the rest of the game. We followed him onto the Silchas train, and lynched a townie. We followed him onto the Skintick train, and lynched the healer. Tiamatha revealed guard before we could follow him anywhere, so he fell in line, and though he made a case against Shadow at the beginning of Day 4, he has since moved his vote over to HP, starting that train. Are we all just going to follow him there? His track record isn't all that great.




Anyway, I think that Atrahal is symping Shadow, and for that reason:




vote Shadow

[Karatallid]

Fuck, the only thing I really hate about Chrome is that you can't copy shit from Word and paste it into here without completely screwing up all the spacing. Sorry bout that guys, but there are just too many spacing mistakes for me to go back and fix them all.

[Atrahal]

There are no certainties in mafia. Of course my vote will change, my perception may change from Friday to Monday. You're talking 48 hours of thinking between then and now. This day is very dis-jointed and it looks like we are not going to make up our mind. Right now I'll vote anyone to get a lynch. Day timing out is bad. It does look like it is going that way.

[Korlat]

I'm still here. Just reading up on HP's posts.

[Atrahal]

Path-Shaper, on 10 June 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 8 hours and 19 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Tholen

I would vote Gamelon for being a filthy low poster but I think he will be modkilled so the votes there are pointless.


I would vote Shadow but I think he is town at the moment.

I would vote Hanas for voting night and confusing the thread.

Kara, Korlat and Tholen I get town vibes from.

I would vote Cast for being potential scum.

I would vote HP for being potential scum.

I would vote Desra for not voting today even though I think him town.



These opinions may change as we go on but you can see who I have pointed fingers at and where my mind is at right now. Unfortunate if you think me the symp. However I am not hiding anything. I've given you my thoughts.



I'll be back later to switch my vote because it looks as though HP is a no starter.

[Hanas]

Gamelon's last post was 5 hours before GL was lynched. Going by that he timed out about 90 minutes ago. So
Remove Vote

[Tholen]

I'm here. I didn't touch the thread this weekend. I'll read up and see where I'll place my vote. Just looking at this last page, I won't be voting gamelon. He needs to request a modkill if he can't play. We shouldn't have to take an extra nightkill just to get rid of him. He needs to nut up and request the mods to take him out. Just my 2 cents on that. Ok, going to catch up now.

EDIT: ;; to ll.

This post has been edited by Tholen: 10 June 2013 - 04:51 PM

[Korlat]

I can't see that any of HP's posts seems especially scummy. His whole persona just generally irks me, though (which in itself doesn't mean anything). The main thing you can fault HP for is never following up on anything. He asks loads of mainly sensible-seeming questions, pokes and prods, but then nothing. Like he expects someone else to take on the task after he's started it. Or he's simply just not that bothered about following it up. Which you could make the argument is quite sympish, pointing fingers here there and everywhere but without really caring about the answer (because they know the true answer).


The post below is a typical HP rebuff of any questions/suspicions thrown his way. Can't really argue with the other person when they're so dismissive of what you have to say. However...

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

not sure how you want me to respond here, Shady - sounds like you're a little jealous I'm nicer to Kara & Desra than to you, don't worry we can be pals, but you're gonna have to cut me a little slack first.

So you don't mention me as scummy in any way, maybe you'd care to elaborate how everybody that doesn't play the same way as you is obviously the enemy and maybe show how I hurt town anywhere intentionally?

...however, this post about just lynching Galayn without waiting to hear what he has to say is a mark in his favour, I would say. Would another scum be so blase about the potential of their partner being lynched? Although it is true that HP held off until the hammer.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

it is true that GL could muddy up things with some defense or whatever, I guess we have to treat him as scum and ignore it to keep him from affecting the game, but if that is the case why do we wait? to give others a chance to weigh in ? I have seen reveals get reversed by smooth talkers before

I don't know. The problem I have here is that because of the nature of HP's posts, it's very difficult to pin anything on him either way. Because he asks so many questions of others, you find out very little about his own opinion. Perhaps that in itself says something, but I'm not sure it's enough to convince me. And moreover, the link between him and Cast remains pretty fucking tenuous.

[Korlat]

I have to say, although it conflicts with my beliefs about Cast, I can see merit in what Kara says about Atrahal being a symp. I'm not sold on Shadow as the master, though. Not so much because of the case, but because I feel that Shadow has defended himself very well against (a lot of) accusations, and I can't say I've noticed him twist anything in order to rebuff those accusations.

[Korlat]

I have to go. I should be able to check in on my phone up to the timeout though. I think we have about three and a half hours. For me, it's between HP, Shadow, Tholen and Desra. The first two because there are cases with some merit, though not near enough to make me feel comfortable. The latter two because from my reading of the game thus far I can't rule them out as killers, and both have somewhat disappeared from view ever since either of them got any heat. I will

Vote Hood's Path

as I haven't been un-convinced of my argument for Cast as a symp, and that is the closest person I could find to a connection as killer.

Having said that, Cast's vote on HP is a real worry (nice move Cast, you bastard ). Desperate ploy upon seeing their master looking like one of the lynch choices for today? Or just trying to prove they're not symping them? Although I would say a better use of your time would have been trying to come up with the person who you do think is the killer, rather than lynching someone to try and prove your own innocence (not that it would even do that).

@ Cast:

What are your suspicions then? Who have you been looking at, and why?

[Desra]

How is Hansa not being lynched based off of his vote for night move? That smacks of signaling. The brilliant bit is that he doesn't even have to direct the signaling toward anyone. He is basically just putting it out on thread that he is the symp. The longer he is alive the longer he has to confuse the thread. I take it from all of the posts of his that people have gone through that a second master hasn't jumped out. Well I am for taking out the scum that is right here.


Vote Hansa

[Tholen]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Tbh, if we're gonna waste a lynch on Game, because he isn't actually playing the game, and he's inno, I'd rather he was modkilled for playing against his own team.

It's ridiculous we should have to lynch someone off for having not played for a week

Edit:

My point is, it seems a pointless lynch. I mean, someone just not playing is surely not a player issue?

You appeal to the mod for a "modkill for cause". Until then or until somebody makes a damn good case against somebody else, I'm voting him.
After my weekend reading, I'm more suspicious of a couple people and less of some others. Getting rid of Gamelon on the off chance he's is a lying sack of shit seems to me the best use of this day.

Damn... just when I am sure Shadow is the Symp, you post something like this.... Going after the low hanging fruit. Easy pickings. Maybe it's because in my head I have marked gamelon as town, but this seems like wanting to go after the easy lynch. I just can't see gamelon as being scum and playing the way he has...as it is I believe he is over the mod-kill timer. I have to believe that if someone was scum they would put in more effort than gamelon has. He has the feel of a bored RI, who very well might not have time to play, but since he is RI really makes no effort. As I Stated above, even if he isn't modkilled, yet, I won't be voting gamelon.

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

I need to go now, so I'm gonna:

Vote HP

I'll hopefully be able to be around later, but not sure how likely it is because I'll be out most of today, and the timing of the day just doesn't work very well for me. In general will probably be around less this week

Edit: X-post with Atrahal.

Then in the battle of who can seem more sympy, Shadow follows up with the classic, place a vote and leave until time expires, basically locking in his vote. I hate that move.

Desra, on 10 June 2013 - 12:55 PM, said:

I am here and physically posting. I should be able to gather my mental self at some point today and come up with coherent ideas.


Did Gamelon post anything over the weekend?

Then, my favorite suspect, coming in with absolutely nothing. This is the type of post I would expect gamelon to have if he was actually scum and needed to seem still into the game and hanging around. I know it won't happen, but I'd love a desra lynch.


I think we can safely rule out a Atrahal/HP combo based upon the case he has made.

While I don' t necessarily agree with everything Atrahal posts, I do think HP's helpful yet non informative, middle to high posting is a concern. But here is the kicker, and something I noticed last game. We have a train just about coming to the point of no return on HP, and who shows up...Karatallid with a long 2 post case on Shadow. Now, I am not a big fan of shadow as is obvious, and he has some other people who have expressed thoughts of him for scum. So he seems a likely target here. So my thought is Karatallid sees HP looking to go down, and with 5 (?? less?) hours left in the day comes up with a case on shadow to try and swing the train before it gets too far along. THAT seems scummy.

vote HP

For posting style, and a little in support of Atrahal's case, but mostly because Karatallid comes on and really tries to swing the lynch away from HP.

[Desra]

Korlat, on 10 June 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

I have to go. I should be able to check in on my phone up to the timeout though. I think we have about three and a half hours. For me, it's between HP, Shadow, Tholen and Desra. The first two because there are cases with some merit, though not near enough to make me feel comfortable. The latter two because from my reading of the game thus far I can't rule them out as killers, and both have somewhat disappeared from view ever since either of them got any heat. I will

Vote Hood's Path

as I haven't been un-convinced of my argument for Cast as a symp, and that is the closest person I could find to a connection as killer.

Having said that, Cast's vote on HP is a real worry (nice move Cast, you bastard ). Desperate ploy upon seeing their master looking like one of the lynch choices for today? Or just trying to prove they're not symping them? Although I would say a better use of your time would have been trying to come up with the person who you do think is the killer, rather than lynching someone to try and prove your own innocence (not that it would even do that).

@ Cast:

What are your suspicions then? Who have you been looking at, and why?

Wow that is a great set up to vote for hoods path. Giving your self a lot of cover aren't you. First post you don't really find him suspicious and the cast link as tenous but your willing to go along with everyone else even when everyone else who for him are on your suspect list. That is some shady shit right there. Seriously shady shit.