[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

This doesn't really make sense, given Tiams guard.

I read the end of the thread, GLs lynch plus Tiam getting NKd first, then read up.

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

Cast trying to PI Hanas.

Okay so my top contenders from scum so far yp to and including page 16.



HP, Cast, Hanas. I believe an absolute minimum of 1 of these is scum. I am going to



Vote HP



I think either him or Cast is the killer. Hanas as a possible. symp.

[Shadow]

I need to go now, so I'm gonna:

Vote HP

I'll hopefully be able to be around later, but not sure how likely it is because I'll be out most of today, and the timing of the day just doesn't work very well for me. In general will probably be around less this week

Edit: X-post with Atrahal.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 10 June 2013 - 11:43 AM

[Shadow]

Final note, Atrahal, your boner for me seems a bit deflated, how come?

[Hood's Path]

alright, I hope we have a little time left, I sort of need to get into the traces before I do much

I will vote Gamelon if that is needed, but would prefer a reasoned scum lynch instead of low/no poster

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

Final note, Atrahal, your boner for me seems a bit deflated, how come?

Had the weekend to think things through. Not only that after a read up you seem to be trying to make cases and post a lot. I've learned a few things from the last few games, the main one is that my gut is usually wrong. My gut calls you scummy, my head says you are playing for town.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 8 hours and 19 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hanas )
2 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Cast )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Tholen

[Korlat]

I'm here, and should be around on and off for the rest of the day. I think I might take another look through HP's posts, seeing as I realised over the weekend that I was suggesting he was scum based off one of Cast's posts and not having actually properly taken a look at HP's own.

[Desra]

I am here and physically posting. I should be able to gather my mental self at some point today and come up with coherent ideas.


Did Gamelon post anything over the weekend?

[Korlat]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

I still find that Atrahal - Gamelon exchange a bit 'off'. And still not certain why. But GL voted Atrahal for ass kissing Gamelon. Which sorta lets Atrahal slide a bit down the list seeing as how GL turned out to be a killer.
@Korlat - is an "HP Mimi-me" a good thing or a bad thing? And I may have "now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint." Put on my gravestone. Damned with faintest of praise indeed!

Bolded part: Why? I mean, Atrahal is lower down on my list too at the moment, but not for this kind of reasoning. Galayn voting Atrahal means nothing in a game where we can't be sure that the killers ever managed to identify each other.


With regards to the question direcly at me - whilst HP can be amusing, I'm afraid that it's mainly a bad thing as you could see from my case. Though this does make me think - if you two are playing with similar styles, and with you we can be reasonably certain that you are not a killer, does that also mean that there's less chance of HP being a killer? To answer my own question - no, as I've found people tend to play in broadly the same way no matter what their assigned role. But it does further make me want to do that HP re-read for myself.


Edit: Just realised that Shadow already addressed the bolded part with you.

This post has been edited by Korlat: 10 June 2013 - 01:10 PM

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Just things stick out, HP calling Cast his friend.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

Wise precaution. We are clearly in danger of missing a lynch with 8 hours left on the timer. Thank goodness you are so thoughtful.

you're welcome, my friend.

This would be great if it was the other way round, with Cast calling HP his friend. But if we're working with the theory of Cast as symp and HP killer, then this really means nothing, unfortunately. Of course, if I have it wrong and it's the other way round, then this would be some nice evidence. But that's not an option I've even explored as yet.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 10 June 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 10:39 AM, said:

Just things stick out, HP calling Cast his friend.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

Wise precaution. We are clearly in danger of missing a lynch with 8 hours left on the timer. Thank goodness you are so thoughtful.

you're welcome, my friend.

This would be great if it was the other way round, with Cast calling HP his friend. But if we're working with the theory of Cast as symp and HP killer, then this really means nothing, unfortunately. Of course, if I have it wrong and it's the other way round, then this would be some nice evidence. But that's not an option I've even explored as yet.

Yes, unless there is something earlier that clues HP in who Cast is. The problem I am having is that Hanas is more of a symp than Cast is. So the remaining pair could not involve Cast at all.

[Korlat]

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

I'm obviously happy to vote HP for his own play. I think Cast as HP's symp seems possible. Though I personally think Hanas is more likely the symp based on the night vote, Hanas also fits as symp to HP.
I'd also be fine voting Cast, as I think he could be a killer rather than a symp. I'm also kind of wary of being too sure about labeling Cast a symp, as that's actually something that can benefit scum, and I could see the actual symp pushing it (Hanas is kind of the exception here since we can be pretty sure he's not a killer). I don't feel there's a huge deal of evidence for Cast as symp - mostly it seems to come from Korlats case, where he points out the reaction to the reveal. But personally I disagree with Korlats analysis, where he says that Cast could be waiting for his master to pull something out against the reveal. That seems unlikely, which makes Cast as symp less likely in that scenario in my eyes.

Yeah, I'm not saying my case is fool-proof or anything. But it's the strongest indication for a symp that I have noticed. I must admit that I've had somewhat of a blind spot for Hanas ever since it turned out that he couldn't be a killer (and Tiam had better not have changed their mind about guarding them and fucked us over!), as that result kinda dumped all over my suspicions of them from earlier.

[Karatallid]

Happy Monday everyone! Just got online, gonna check what I've missed over the weekend and figure out where to vote!

I see that HP has a couple of votes on him. I know I've been flip-flopping back and forth about him most of the game. My gut tells me he's town, but I'll do my best to take the time to really review the thread today before I place my vote!

[Korlat]

Re Gamelon:

Is that really a lynch choice? Even as a non-existent poster, he still at least now serves the purpose of being alive and making up town numbers (sorry, but not even HO on his worst day would play like this as scum, surely). Really we should have lynched him on day 1 like he virtually asked us to, then we wouldn't be even having a debate about it. But he did promise to post come this week and I hope we see it. Though right now I see better chances of a modkill.

[Cast]

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

In fact, what makes this interesting is Hanas is replying to Galayn Lord. Galayn being known scum. Then HP joining in.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

what is this all about?

Not sure there's much to HP's reply, other than the fact that it's his usual prod and let someone else do the voting.

It is the kind of thing you're going to respond to.

That vote for night was kind of out of nowhere and only benefits scum.

[Cast]

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 23 hours and 14 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hanas ( Galayn Lord )
6 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Tiamatha, Atrahal, Karatallid, Tholen, Hanas, Shadow )

Players not voted: Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat

HP then hammers, so no, Cast didn't vote GL.

Yes, you all lynched before I signed back in.

[Hood's Path]

We're running a bit low on time. Right now it looks like this:

Nobody is getting any attention but me for the lynch. Somebody needs to have an alternative, or this day will be wasted. Right now I don;t have time to put together anything on anyone.

What is the case on me? Shadow is re-voting me based on his previous case, and Atrahal for nebulous reasons involving some non-existent association with Cast &/or Hanas



I would rather lynch a low poster than myself, obviously. I would prefer to let day time out than lynch myself, as well - if the modkill is coming for Gamelon today. If not, I say vote him off.


Vote Gamelon

[Atrahal]

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

[Atrahal]

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

This is based on day one and day two.

[Cast]

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP