[Hanas]

Korlat said:

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Back to Atrahal-Gamelon. Seems to put faith in Tiam's deduction skills, possibly feeling there might be an ally there?

Hanas said:

1370460945[/url]' post='1060483']

Tiamatha said:

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Shadow said:

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Hanas said:

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Shadow said:

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Hanas said:

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13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.

Yeah, agree with Hanas here. Shadow looks like he is coordinating, again...

I was pointing out that his "coordinated withhold" was a load of bollocks. And that made me re-think his place in mental who is what file.

Tia, as long as you're looking at Atrahal go back and look at the Atrahal/Gamelon exchange. I'm probably seeing things, but...
Posts 130-136

Outlines the Atrahal-Gamelon suspicion, but explains that he, 'doesn't really know why' it bothers him. I would suggest because 1) you're fixating on it because you're the one who brought up fraulein in the first place; and 2) it's very weak.

Hanas said:

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Hood said:

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@ Hanas - what were you thinking about the exchange w/ Gam & Atrahal?

This.

Atrahal said:

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Gamelon said:

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Atrahal said:

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Gamelon said:

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Atrahal said:

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Just Tholen and Venesara yet to post. I was about to mention you Gamelon. What do you think of the day so far?

I think Desra should learn some new threat, Isn't "when I become a mod, ..." some kind of Meta?
I also think that Shadow is a little obnoxious.
Also learned a new word: "fraulein"

Have you ever watched "The sound of music"?

Nope.

Ah, that is what Maria is. Fraulein Maria. I admit, I did not know until after I watched this film.

And I don't really know why it bothers me. But I get a signaling vibe.

And yes, I am the person who used "fräulein". Lizadrus lives in Germany.

Hanas said:

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Path-Shaper said:

1370281924[/url]' post='1059797']The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?

As I said, like an HP mini-me. Same sort of style, but in fewer posts, and a suspicion of Atra-Gamelon which is pushed very lightly, as if almost looking for someone else to leap on and run with it.

The reason I felt this was all worthy of notice is because it's so un-noteworthy. Very middle of the road and nothing for anyone to sink their teeth into - a few posts now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint.

I still find that Atrahal - Gamelon exchange a bit 'off'. And still not certain why. But GL voted Atrahal for ass kissing Gamelon. Which sorta lets Atrahal slide a bit down the list seeing as how GL turned out to be a killer.
@Korlat - is an "HP Mimi-me" a good thing or a bad thing? And I may have "now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint." Put on my gravestone. Damned with faintest of praise indeed!

[Hanas]

Hanas said:

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... except that there were a couple of people who said they'd be low posting the first part of the week....
Gamelon and Atrahal discussing the sound of music twitched a bit. But if you look for a signal, you'll find one whether it exists or not.

Since both of those people have passed on, I see no reason to continue letting Gamelon slide. Besides, he has literally asked for it.
Vote Gamelon

[Shadow]

Tbh, if we're gonna waste a lynch on Game, because he isn't actually playing the game, and he's inno, I'd rather he was modkilled for playing against his own team.

It's ridiculous we should have to lynch someone off for having not played for a week

Edit:

My point is, it seems a pointless lynch. I mean, someone just not playing is surely not a player issue?

This post has been edited by Shadow: 10 June 2013 - 03:17 AM

[Shadow]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

But GL voted Atrahal for ass kissing Gamelon. Which sorta lets Atrahal slide a bit down the list seeing as how GL turned out to be a killer.

Wouldn't really put much stock in this sort of deduction, since it assumes a lot. Firstly that GL had actually figured out his partner, or was confident about having done so, and then that he wouldn't put down the vote because of that. The former is the main problem, the latter is just debatable.

Edit: Off to bed, back in 7-8 hours or whatever.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 10 June 2013 - 03:35 AM

[Hanas]

Shadow said:

1370833877[/url]' post='1061508']
Tbh, if we're gonna waste a lynch on Game, because he isn't actually playing the game, and he's inno, I'd rather he was modkilled for playing against his own team.

It's ridiculous we should have to lynch someone off for having not played for a week

Edit:

My point is, it seems a pointless lynch. I mean, someone just not playing is surely not a player issue?

You appeal to the mod for a "modkill for cause". Until then or until somebody makes a damn good case against somebody else, I'm voting him.
After my weekend reading, I'm more suspicious of a couple people and less of some others. Getting rid of Gamelon on the off chance he's is a lying sack of shit seems to me the best use of this day.

[Path-Shaper]

Timer is unfrozen.

It is Day 4. 12 hours and 40 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hanas )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Cast )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

[Atrahal]

Here, going to have a look at GL's lynch. I haven't done my own read through of this properly yet.

[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.

Yeah, agree with Hanas here. Shadow looks like he is coordinating, again...

I was pointing out that his "coordinated withhold" was a load of bollocks. And that made me re-think his place in mental who is what file.

Tia, as long as you're looking at Atrahal go back and look at the Atrahal/Gamelon exchange. I'm probably seeing things, but...
Posts 130-136

Yeah, I saw that Sound of Music exchange, but in someways that doesn't change my direction with Shadow. I think Atrahal is the symp (and he definitely seems to be acting sympish towards Gamelon too), which could mean Gamelon is our second killer. The spacing between Shadow and Gamelon is great enough, and a lot of people have discounted Atrahal's signalling behavior (given how difficult signalling is to detect among the rest of the typical BS of mafia)

I am confused by Atrahal's last line (in response to Gamelon's "Nope."): "Ah, that is what Maria is. Fraulein Maria. I admit, I did not know until after I watched this film." Why that first sentence with the "Ah." It would make more sense if he was expressing understanding after wiki-ing it, but he didn't.

Of course, Fraulein was brought up by you Hanas.

I do not have a problem voting Gamelon off, he hasn't contributed anything and he said he would. In fact, even if I think certain people could be scum I would prefer to throw away the deadwood first. I'd prefer talkative people and people with content going into endgame. As Shadow said it could be seen as a wasted lynch, and if the 36 hours are up he deserves a modkill. Shin got modkilled earlier so no excuses.

I think if we lynch someone else then the end of day will see a Gamelon CF as well as whoever we choose to lynch. We have caught one scum so D day is pushed back which is great.

[Atrahal]

I am just about to start page 12, just a quick note page 11 is interesting. I think Cast as a symp and HP as second killer could fit. Have a read through and see what you think.


Shadow makes a case on HP. It's a fairly decent case. Which ,as you can see, Kara agrees with. Shadow votes for HP.


The following post by Cast ignores Shadow's case.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

He says he is caught up but there is nothing in this post about what has been said. Then GL states that they should keep me around so they could see whom I am symping. So here Galayn may think I am his symp and advcocates to keep me around.



Then HP votes Skintick.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 31 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen

Now the train is fully on the move. 2 votes Skintick, 1 HP and 1 Atrahal. To 4 Votes Skintick.

[Atrahal]

Just things stick out, HP calling Cast his friend.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

Wise precaution. We are clearly in danger of missing a lynch with 8 hours left on the timer. Thank goodness you are so thoughtful.

you're welcome, my friend.

[Atrahal]

Still catching up. This stands out for obvious reasons.

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

This could be the symp signalling. I am not going to discount Hanas as the symp. He could be.

[Cast]

Back, but getting ready for work. I honestly didn't get a chance to do a reread over the weekend, since I ended up having to work ALL weekend.
@Hanas, I agree that there could be something there between Atrahal and Gamelon. I would like to see what others think.
@ Atrahal and Korlat do you see a case for HP without my being symp? I see him as a coaster, but knowing that I'm not the symp makes any case based on that kind of flimsy from my point of view.

[Atrahal]

In fact, what makes this interesting is Hanas is replying to Galayn Lord. Galayn being known scum. Then HP joining in.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

what is this all about?

[Atrahal]

Cast this is one reason people you to be the symp.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

[Shadow]

I'm obviously happy to vote HP for his own play. I think Cast as HP's symp seems possible. Though I personally think Hanas is more likely the symp based on the night vote, Hanas also fits as symp to HP.
I'd also be fine voting Cast, as I think he could be a killer rather than a symp. I'm also kind of wary of being too sure about labeling Cast a symp, as that's actually something that can benefit scum, and I could see the actual symp pushing it (Hanas is kind of the exception here since we can be pretty sure he's not a killer). I don't feel there's a huge deal of evidence for Cast as symp - mostly it seems to come from Korlats case, where he points out the reaction to the reveal. But personally I disagree with Korlats analysis, where he says that Cast could be waiting for his master to pull something out against the reveal. That seems unlikely, which makes Cast as symp less likely in that scenario in my eyes.

[Shadow]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Tbh, if we're gonna waste a lynch on Game, because he isn't actually playing the game, and he's inno, I'd rather he was modkilled for playing against his own team.

It's ridiculous we should have to lynch someone off for having not played for a week

Edit:

My point is, it seems a pointless lynch. I mean, someone just not playing is surely not a player issue?

You appeal to the mod for a "modkill for cause". Until then or until somebody makes a damn good case against somebody else, I'm voting him.
After my weekend reading, I'm more suspicious of a couple people and less of some others. Getting rid of Gamelon on the off chance he's is a lying sack of shit seems to me the best use of this day.

Yeah, it's just frustrating having someone who isn't actually playing the game but affects it by being here.

I wouldn't mind lynching Gam, because I certainly don't want to be beaten by that if he turns up scum, and also because it discourages that sort of play in the first place.

[Shadow]

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

In fact, what makes this interesting is Hanas is replying to Galayn Lord. Galayn being known scum. Then HP joining in.

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

what is this all about?

Not sure there's much to HP's reply, other than the fact that it's his usual prod and let someone else do the voting.

It is the kind of thing you're going to respond to.

[Atrahal]

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

well, then

for the testing of reveals

Vote Gaylord


perhaps a speedy CF is in the offing from PS before the evening begins

HP hammers Galayn. The lynch was inevitable at this point.

[Atrahal]

Did Cast vote for GL at all?

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sorry I"ve been gone, I had to go to a graduation dinner.

I'll be damned. Sorry Gusty, you just SEEM so scummy!

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

I don't know if he missed out on voting

[Shadow]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 23 hours and 14 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hanas ( Galayn Lord )
6 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Tiamatha, Atrahal, Karatallid, Tholen, Hanas, Shadow )

Players not voted: Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat

HP then hammers, so no, Cast didn't vote GL.