[Atrahal]

Look at it this way. You point at Shadow, using Cast as his and Galayn's symp.

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Shadow is probably the person to instinctively look at for the symp role, because they asked for the lynch to slow down, and more than that because they have been posting like mad and putting their fingers into all the pies, so to speak, and even more than that because Tiam suspected them.

But I don't think so. I think the symp could be Cast. Look at these two posts below.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think rushing a lynch doesn't help town any in this instance. I'd like to hear back from GL and see if we get a counter.

Much more so than what Shadow was saying, that first post smells of desperation to stop/stall the lynch and have us look elsewhere, naming several people and throwing mud at Tiam's name, so to speak. I must admit, it certainly made me worry if Tiam was on the right track, whether there were variables which they hadn't considered before revealing. I believed Tiam's reveal, but I did worry that there was a possibility that they had jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The second post now, knowing Galayn's CF, looks to me like someone who is hoping their scum master can pull something out of their ass.

Thoughts?

Cast links Shadow to Hanas through Tiam. (if Tiam can be wrong about Hanas)

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

This doesn't really make sense, given Tiams guard.

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

I don't think so. Hanas is presumably CI or at least VPI I reckon because Tiam made it clear that they would be a guarded - but a kill went through nonetheless.

Or, not a killer anyhow.

Still don't like the night vote.

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Shadow is probably the person to instinctively look at for the symp role, because they asked for the lynch to slow down, and more than that because they have been posting like mad and putting their fingers into all the pies, so to speak, and even more than that because Tiam suspected them.

But I don't think so. I think the symp could be Cast. Look at these two posts below.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think rushing a lynch doesn't help town any in this instance. I'd like to hear back from GL and see if we get a counter.

Much more so than what Shadow was saying, that first post smells of desperation to stop/stall the lynch and have us look elsewhere, naming several people and throwing mud at Tiam's name, so to speak. I must admit, it certainly made me worry if Tiam was on the right track, whether there were variables which they hadn't considered before revealing. I believed Tiam's reveal, but I did worry that there was a possibility that they had jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The second post now, knowing Galayn's CF, looks to me like someone who is hoping their scum master can pull something out of their ass.

Thoughts?

The posts you bring up would make me think Cast is a killer more than a symp.

You're right about the first one, it's not really the way reveals are normally treated.

But for the second, symp waiting to see if his master can pull something out seems unlikely, because reveals don't really work like that. Besides which, if he's the symp and wants a scum counter reveal, that would kind of be his job. A master wanting the symp to counter is possible though. Honestly though, waiting to see if anyone is going to counter reveal is a standard test of a reveal. I'd say there's more to the first post than the second.

Then Shadow says that Cast may be the killer other than symp. Then Cast votes for Shadow.


Now that discredits your case.

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I appreciate you taking my suspicions of Cast and seeing where else you can take it, Atrahal. The 'my boss is intownso...' right after Galayn's post is something I missed.

However, I see one immediate problem with you linking Cast and Shadow together, and that's the fact that Cast immediately went after Shadow and voted for them as soon as they got on today.

I see that yes. Was it before or after you put him as a potential symp?

He mentioned going for either Hanas or Shadow before I claimed he could be the symp, and then voted Shadow after. Also after it was pointed out that going for Hanas wouldn't make much sense.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I appreciate you taking my suspicions of Cast and seeing where else you can take it, Atrahal. The 'my boss is intownso...' right after Galayn's post is something I missed.

However, I see one immediate problem with you linking Cast and Shadow together, and that's the fact that Cast immediately went after Shadow and voted for them as soon as they got on today.

I see that yes. Was it before or after you put him as a potential symp?

He mentioned going for either Hanas or Shadow before I claimed he could be the symp, and then voted Shadow after. Also after it was pointed out that going for Hanas wouldn't make much sense.

No, you mentioned it first.

[Korlat]

@ Atrahal:

Was that last post intended for me? I think you misunderstand. I did not say or try to link Cast and Shadow together (from what's been happening, I find that unlikely).

[Shadow]

Fucking hell Atrahal, are you even reading the same thread as everyone else?

I'm off for a little while.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

@ Atrahal:

Was that last post intended for me? I think you misunderstand. I did not say or try to link Cast and Shadow together (from what's been happening, I find that unlikely).

Oh who do you think is Cast's Master then other than GL?

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

@ Atrahal:

Was that last post intended for me? I think you misunderstand. I did not say or try to link Cast and Shadow together (from what's been happening, I find that unlikely).

Oh who do you think is Cast's Master then other than GL?

My conclusion from reading through his posts which I did earlier was more who it isn't, than who it is, unfortunately. So I don't think it's Shadow, Karatallid, or you (though Shadow seems to disagree on that one). The only person who I could maybe point at - but I have to point out from one line in one post only - is Hood's Path.

[Cast]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

Are you voting for Shadow on the basis of him being a symp or a killer?

Hmmm the scrambling before the GL lynch could look more Sympish. I was looking more at Tiam's suspicion of him. Since my ideas on connections of the game have been blown out of the water, I have been looking at Tiam's.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

@ Atrahal:

Was that last post intended for me? I think you misunderstand. I did not say or try to link Cast and Shadow together (from what's been happening, I find that unlikely).

Oh who do you think is Cast's Master then other than GL?

My conclusion from reading through his posts which I did earlier was more who it isn't, than who it is, unfortunately. So I don't think it's Shadow, Karatallid, or you (though Shadow seems to disagree on that one). The only person who I could maybe point at - but I have to point out from one line in one post only - is Hood's Path.

HP because of Shadow's vote on him and Cast's immediate vote on me?

[Karatallid]

Hmmm, been a fairly quiet day so far. So who we looking at today?

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 07 June 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Hmmm, been a fairly quiet day so far. So who we looking at today?

A few seem to think Cast is supicious and possibly GL's symp. I am thinking Shadow's play is very defensive and could lead to scum. Have a read, we got a scum CF, form your own opinion.

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

@ Atrahal:

Was that last post intended for me? I think you misunderstand. I did not say or try to link Cast and Shadow together (from what's been happening, I find that unlikely).

Oh who do you think is Cast's Master then other than GL?

My conclusion from reading through his posts which I did earlier was more who it isn't, than who it is, unfortunately. So I don't think it's Shadow, Karatallid, or you (though Shadow seems to disagree on that one). The only person who I could maybe point at - but I have to point out from one line in one post only - is Hood's Path.

HP because of Shadow's vote on him and Cast's immediate vote on me?

Dude, you can look throught the post where I go through Cast's posts and see for yourself No, not that actually (although that does nicely add to it!), but when someone (Shadow, I think, though I'll have to look back) asks Cast for their analysis of a couple of HP's posts, and Cast just simply replies, 'not sure there's anything there to be honest', or words to that effect.

[Korlat]

I've got to head off now, but I should be around again in a few hours (though again not for very long).

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

This one's interesting. Cast now accuses Atrahal of being the scum and votes for them.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

I say it's interesting because Cast's original response to Atrahal's post was this:

Cast, on 03 June 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I just read Dr Seuss so this makes perfect sense.
Cast is fast. Fast is Cast.Cast will blast past fast!

Attacks Karatallid. At first I looked at this post as a possible signal - the sentence about only scum will know how someone will CF, almost suggested to me that he was saying, 'I know you're scum Kara, because I'm scum too.' HOWEVER, considering Cast's continued attack and/or pressuring of Karatallid, I think it's safer to assume that I'm reading too much into that, and if Cast is scum, then Kara is probably not.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

As, for example, below, still pushing on Kara.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

he was doing this before SR was lynched

So again, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHO IS INNO ARE SCUM. The symp knows with certainty and the killers obviously know themselves and have some guesses on the rest of the team. That Kara keeps on about this looks like he's trying too hard to look like town.

This post just reinforces that if I believe Cast is the symp, then Karatallid and Atrahal can probably be ruled out as the second killer.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I signed in too late to do anything, but I don't think there was anything new that would have encouraged me to vote Skintick. I didn't like KL's play here, but she did say she wouldn't have much time this week in the sign up. SUCKS THAT YOU LYNCHED THE FUCKING HEALER!

So now we have two lynch trains to compare.

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara
Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

What stands out to me here is that Atrahal starts both trains and Tiam and Kara vote one after the other in both around the middle of the train, again building the momentum. If Tiam were symp and trying to follow Atrahal, that would explain his position in both trains as well as the Shadow case. I need to look closer at Kara and Tiam's interactions.

Hmm, more there about who ISN'T connected to Cast, then who potentially is. The only thing that gave me vibes was maybe the dismissal of questions about Hood's Path, but, being based on a one-liner in one post, it's not exactly concrete.

I still believe that the way Cast acted after Tiam's reveal is pretty dodgy, though I'm no longer as sure as I was before taking a look back through their posts. I strongly suggest we need a breakdown of Shadow's activity as well, but I'd also like further comments on the possibility of Cast as the symp.

Yes, I posted upthread, in response to Shadow, that I was agreeable with this. Then proceeded to look at the thread with suspicion on Cast and Shadow.
Up until you post these doubts I had HP as possible town, due to his one liner posts. He keeps asking questions, poking, prodding, leading questions which invited discussion and kepot the thread moving. He could be scum, but I am doubtful and if Cast was the symp then his, "I don't see anything there" comment was placed as misdirection. Maybe we either need to see Cast's CF to determine whether he is symp or true scum. In the quick reading up, skim this morning I place Cast and Shadow as connected, yet I can see where you are coming from in HP.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 07 June 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Hmmm, been a fairly quiet day so far. So who we looking at today?

A few seem to think Cast is supicious and possibly GL's symp. I am thinking Shadow's play is very defensive and could lead to scum. Have a read, we got a scum CF, form your own opinion.

Although the scum CF is great, that doesn't help us pick out the second scum. We're basically shooting blindly again. Gonna have to look for anyone symping GL to try to tie that person to a 2nd potential scum, methinks.

[Atrahal]

*CF as in if he is a killer or labelled RI ie sympish.

[Desra]

I am by myself at work as such I will probably not be on here very much today.

My suspicion is on HP for possible scum though. Yes he has pocked and prodded with questions but that is the majority of what he has done. Asked other players their opinions with out actually putting his own out there. HP hasn't been involved in any pissing contests which means he isn't directing heat toward any players. He is mainly trying to act like a good guy and prod people to contribute. Which is good. But when that is all that a player does it is suspect I would expect someone who has prodded as many people as HP has to have laid out some cases and gotten in it with a couple of other players. I don't recall HP doing either.

[Cast]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I appreciate you taking my suspicions of Cast and seeing where else you can take it, Atrahal. The 'my boss is intownso...' right after Galayn's post is something I missed.

However, I see one immediate problem with you linking Cast and Shadow together, and that's the fact that Cast immediately went after Shadow and voted for them as soon as they got on today.

I see that yes. Was it before or after you put him as a potential symp?

He mentioned going for either Hanas or Shadow before I claimed he could be the symp, and then voted Shadow after. Also after it was pointed out that going for Hanas wouldn't make much sense.

I hate being referred to as He.

Anyways, how can you interpret my mentioning Hanas as someone I would look at, as anything other than that I hadn't yet read that Tiam had tried to guard Hanas? How is logging in and seeing the end of the thread first (That the lynch was successful and Tiam was dead) scummy? I already mentioned earlier that I hadn't, and that once I had it was clear that Shadow should be a lynch.

The real case on me is that I have been looking at Atrahal, Kara an Tiam all along as killers and symp, and that I was dubious about testing Tiam's reveal without more info BECAUSE I DIDN'T TRUST TIAM.

I think that Shadow is acting most dodgy, so that's where I'm wanting to put my vote today, unless we see another candidate for killer.

[Desra]

Karatallid, on 07 June 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 07 June 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Hmmm, been a fairly quiet day so far. So who we looking at today?

A few seem to think Cast is supicious and possibly GL's symp. I am thinking Shadow's play is very defensive and could lead to scum. Have a read, we got a scum CF, form your own opinion.

Although the scum CF is great, that doesn't help us pick out the second scum. We're basically shooting blindly again. Gonna have to look for anyone symping GL to try to tie that person to a 2nd potential scum, methinks.

Especially the first couple of days.

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

I appreciate you taking my suspicions of Cast and seeing where else you can take it, Atrahal. The 'my boss is intownso...' right after Galayn's post is something I missed.

However, I see one immediate problem with you linking Cast and Shadow together, and that's the fact that Cast immediately went after Shadow and voted for them as soon as they got on today.

I see that yes. Was it before or after you put him as a potential symp?

He mentioned going for either Hanas or Shadow before I claimed he could be the symp, and then voted Shadow after. Also after it was pointed out that going for Hanas wouldn't make much sense.

I hate being referred to as He.

Anyways, how can you interpret my mentioning Hanas as someone I would look at, as anything other than that I hadn't yet read that Tiam had tried to guard Hanas? How is logging in and seeing the end of the thread first (That the lynch was successful and Tiam was dead) scummy? I already mentioned earlier that I hadn't, and that once I had it was clear that Shadow should be a lynch.

The real case on me is that I have been looking at Atrahal, Kara an Tiam all along as killers and symp, and that I was dubious about testing Tiam's reveal without more info BECAUSE I DIDN'T TRUST TIAM.

I think that Shadow is acting most dodgy, so that's where I'm wanting to put my vote today, unless we see another candidate for killer.

Is Cast a female in the books? I thought Cast was a he?



What are your thoughts on HP then?