[Hood's Path]

I hope you won't mind if I use this quote to reply. Colored red is mine

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

HP is currently the third highest poster.

And yet, in terms of content, he has provided very little, and what he has provided has been extremely middle of the road. He has not committed to anything. Most of his interactions that actually have content are just defending himself.

At the same time, he does seem to have a reasonable grasp of the game.

At least you didn't say I was a complete dumbass. This is your opinion, and most of the defending was against you, I bet.

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He introduces the idea that Kara seems to be preparing for an inno CF.
He brings up the train as a "pile on" and suggests it may be somewhere to look for scum.
He asks me why he thinks Tiam is so keen on me.

scummy actions, and reasonable questions

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The thing is, he is happy to let others carry these ideas for him.

He appears to be contributing by asking people questions, but mostly they're just re-iterating what the person has already said. Those that aren't are just asking people's opinion on other peoples cases.

He ventures absolutely no opinion of his own.

It's non-commital, middle of the road, coasting play, when he seems to have both the time and the ability to do otherwise.

It's my business if I want clarification from people - and can help town. you know how ambiguous everybody can get. It's too soon for solid opinions. If you know things already by Day 2, you're scum or roled town

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As well as this, his non-vote of Silchas seems odd. He never seems set on SR as a suspect (or anyone really of course), but doesn't vote him for a lynch when he appears to have been around, and also later pulls up Desra on suggesting the no lynch, and then backs off in a very wishy-washy display.

Remove vote

Vote Hood's Path

I am not entirely set on my vote since I think it is possible he could be a symp (Kara notably, with Desra as a possible partner). However, he has not been hugely involved in trying to direct the thread, and his coasting behaviour makes scum perhaps the stronger possibility.

I didn't find any of the reasons for voting Silchas to reason enough for me, I wasn't going to vote for him. I thought I was actually agreeing with Desra in that one matter. You say I'm coasting, but not everyone want to shake their wiener at everybody all the time.

I honestly don't think you even think I'm scum, this is just a convenient diversion for you. You have no conviction.

[Shadow]

Aww yeah, it's rainbow time.

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

I hope you won't mind if I use this quote to reply. Colored red is mine

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

HP is currently the third highest poster.

And yet, in terms of content, he has provided very little, and what he has provided has been extremely middle of the road. He has not committed to anything. Most of his interactions that actually have content are just defending himself.

At the same time, he does seem to have a reasonable grasp of the game.

At least you didn't say I was a complete dumbass. This is your opinion, and most of the defending was against you, I bet.

Not just defending from myself, but it would hardly be a bad thing, since that would imply I actually got some involvement from you.

If you feel I am being unjust in saying you have provided very little content, quote the posts you think I am maligning, that are so full of opinion and original thought.

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He introduces the idea that Kara seems to be preparing for an inno CF.
He brings up the train as a "pile on" and suggests it may be somewhere to look for scum.
He asks me why he thinks Tiam is so keen on me.

scummy actions, and reasonable questions

Sure, but if they're so scummy why don't you ever push them?

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The thing is, he is happy to let others carry these ideas for him.

He appears to be contributing by asking people questions, but mostly they're just re-iterating what the person has already said. Those that aren't are just asking people's opinion on other peoples cases.

He ventures absolutely no opinion of his own.

It's non-commital, middle of the road, coasting play, when he seems to have both the time and the ability to do otherwise.

It's my business if I want clarification from people - and can help town. you know how ambiguous everybody can get. It's too soon for solid opinions. If you know things already by Day 2, you're scum or roled town

I'm not saying asking for clarification is in itself a bad thing. It's the fact that you do so little else. Also in regards to solid opinions, I thought you "can't help but think scum is right in that group". If town didn't push anyone unless they were 100% certain, we would never get anywhere. The difficulty in having watertight evidence at this stage in the game is no excuse for not pushing ideas, just as the fact that we rarely hit scum day one is not a reason not to try and lynch anyone on it.

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As well as this, his non-vote of Silchas seems odd. He never seems set on SR as a suspect (or anyone really of course), but doesn't vote him for a lynch when he appears to have been around, and also later pulls up Desra on suggesting the no lynch, and then backs off in a very wishy-washy display.

Remove vote

Vote Hood's Path

I am not entirely set on my vote since I think it is possible he could be a symp (Kara notably, with Desra as a possible partner). However, he has not been hugely involved in trying to direct the thread, and his coasting behaviour makes scum perhaps the stronger possibility.

I didn't find any of the reasons for voting Silchas to reason enough for me, I wasn't going to vote for him. I thought I was actually agreeing with Desra in that one matter. You say I'm coasting, but not everyone want to shake their wiener at everybody all the time.

Or ever apparently. Your agreement with Desra doesn't really come across in:

"Were you offended that no one liked your idea of letting day time out"

I honestly don't think you even think I'm scum, this is just a convenient diversion for you. You have no conviction.

No conviction? Says the person yet to lay down a vote.

[Galayn Lord]

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

if you think Atrahal is fake-symping Shadow, wouldn't it make far more sense to keep him around to see who he's actually symping?

[Tiamatha]

So the thought is HP is the killer or the symp?

[Tiamatha]

Ok, let me clarify: you seem to connect HP/Kara/Desra. However, you seem to indicate that HP is the link between these three, something more sympish. That being said, why vote HP then?

[Cast]

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

if you think Atrahal is fake-symping Shadow, wouldn't it make far more sense to keep him around to see who he's actually symping?

underlined since you didn't read my post.

[Hood's Path]

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

So the thought is HP is the killer or the symp?

Neither one, sorry

[Galayn Lord]

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

if you think Atrahal is fake-symping Shadow, wouldn't it make far more sense to keep him around to see who he's actually symping?

underlined since you didn't read my post.

I see... well, it could work. Though I don't see a killer fake-symping anyone, tbh

[Hood's Path]

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

[Cast]

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

Wise precaution. We are clearly in danger of missing a lynch with 8 hours left on the timer. Thank goodness you are so thoughtful.

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Ok, let me clarify: you seem to connect HP/Kara/Desra. However, you seem to indicate that HP is the link between these three, something more sympish. That being said, why vote HP then?

I'm not sure whether I feel either connection is stronger than the chance of HP himself being a coasting killer. The individual posts that stood out to me most in terms of connection would probably be these ones:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

It's true. Unfortunate really, guess I'll just go back to shutting up. Seems the only way to actually play this game with you lot.

try low posting, it's become all the rage with the cool kids these days

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

yes, we simply must have Desra's insight, if we are to win

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didnt find it scummy

If you outline a plan or say you think someone is suspicious, you also give scum a chance to respond or counter

How is that different?

Are you referring to me or shadow? I am thinking him but I just want to make sure I don't have to make some kind of animal sex rebuttal.

Save it for next time I'm saying we have to communicate openly when possible

HP also makes a slight accusation towards Kara, which is more than he really does for anyone else specifically, and doesn't really follow through with it. Normally that seems like an indication someone could be a symp, but with HP being so non-comittal about everything it's harder to say.

The connections make it seem possible he is a symp.

His extremely middle of the road, coasting behaviour, makes me lean towards thinking killer.

Edit: Clarification

This post has been edited by Shadow: 06 June 2013 - 12:44 AM

[Tiamatha]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Ok, let me clarify: you seem to connect HP/Kara/Desra. However, you seem to indicate that HP is the link between these three, something more sympish. That being said, why vote HP then?

I'm not sure whether I feel either connection is stronger than the chance of HP himself being a coasting killer. The individual posts that stood out to me most in terms of connection would probably be these ones:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

It's true. Unfortunate really, guess I'll just go back to shutting up. Seems the only way to actually play this game with you lot.

try low posting, it's become all the rage with the cool kids these days

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

yes, we simply must have Desra's insight, if we are to win

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didnt find it scummy

If you outline a plan or say you think someone is suspicious, you also give scum a chance to respond or counter

How is that different?

Are you referring to me or shadow? I am thinking him but I just want to make sure I don't have to make some kind of animal sex rebuttal.

Save it for next time I'm saying we have to communicate openly when possible

HP also makes a slight accusation towards Kara, which is more than he really does for anyone else specifically, and doesn't really follow through with it. Normally that seems like an indication someone could be a symp, but with HP being so non-comittal about everything it's harder to say.

The connections make it seem possible he is a symp.

His extremely middle of the road, coasting behaviour, makes me lean towards thinking killer.

Edit: Clarification

And you thought my case was half-baked and weak-sauce....

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

And you thought my case was half-baked and weak-sauce....

If he's a symp, the coasting and lack of involvement are strange.
If he's a killer, the connections aren't really relevant to that.

There seems more to suggest killer than symp to me.

I think that the level to which he is coasting and playing middle of the road is very suspicious. Do you not think so?

He has 52 posts. How many of them are actually involved? And how many of those are only involved to defend himself?

Even on the rare occasions he does put forward an idea (once or twice), he drops it and doesn't go back to it, and the opinions he gives are all either uncommitted, middle of the road, or simply being agreeable towards someone elses ideas.

He's coasting tremendously.

Edit:

If you don't feel like he's been middle of the road, I would be interested in seeing which posts you think demonstrate this.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 06 June 2013 - 01:01 AM

[Skintick]

Fell asleep last night, sorry folks. Don't have time today, I'll be around in about 5 or 6 hours.

[Korlat]

It's funny looking over Shadow's appraisal of HP, because I decided to take a look at Hanas following on from their small but crucial role in the lynch of Silchas, and it turns out Hanas is basically an HP Mini-Me. Fewer posts, but same style of one liners and frequent questions directed at others but without much backing up afterwards. All their posts thus far can be found below:

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

And we were meant to see what you did there?

Asks the walking Rorschach test.

One-liner comments like this one:

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

That doesn't explain how it helps town at all at this point, it's just a collection of vaguely related theory. If it doesn't change anything, how does it help town?

The information isn't relevant at this stage, why not actually wait until you see someone who may be symping and then bring it up? Does town really need it pointed out to them that maybe we ought to keep an eye out for symping?

Whereas a master might want to warn their symp, particularly since there is always the chance they have an inexperienced symp.

It may not change the basics of how scum play, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit scum, and it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect how they play this game, being more or less cautious. If a master is worried in this game about symping, because he believes it to be a risk, and wants to warn the symp that town might be particularly alert to it, the only way he can get that message out is on thread.

Edit: Grammar

So you don't think that information is relevant to town from the get go. Mafia is just a vaguely related theory.

How exactly would a master (who doesn't know his symp) warn his symp? That makes no sense what so ever. The benefit to scum is inmaterial when compared to the benefit of all town knowing what to look for. You would have had me keep my suspicions and ideas to myself while I only looked for things. How does that benefit town? If I am day 1 lynched or nked then town would have lost the benefit of my insight. Which would not help town in the least.

So you are so insightful, that we really, really need you around?

The one thing that Hanas has independently brought up is the possible Atrahal-Gamelon "fraulein connection" (sounds like a film). Methinks the reason it sticks out to Hanas is, however, because he's the one who brought up 'fraulein' in the first place.

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?

Here's where he brings it up for the first time, before dropping it once others' avenues of investigation solidified/took over the thread. Hanas would then bring it up when talk of Atrahal came up again a few hours ago. Here he actually seems to dismiss it almost as soon as he says it (and therefore no one pays any attention to it).

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

I'm not interested in talkers on day 1. We need them.

I could go for a Tholen except that there were a couple of people who said they'd be low posting the first part of the week.

I should be around the rest of the day.

Gamelon and Atrahal discussing the sound of music twitched a bit. But if you look for a signal, you'll find one whether it exists or not.

The vote which quickly followed Shadow's onto Silchas. In fact, a fair bit of Hanas' interaction involves Shadow one way or another.

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 04 June 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I've seen the WIFOM shit too often. However, I'd rather keep playing than die obviously.

I'd rather not go through again.
Vote Silchas Ruin

Back to the one-liner comments, essentially like waiting to see what others come up with first.

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

They walk along the beach and see how the starlight is reflected in the water. The water is so still, that it seems like up is down and down is up. And surrounded by stars, they walk there till the first light of dawn.


It is Day 2. 36 hours remaining

13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

With Shadow again.

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

[Korlat]

Same kind of speculation as everyone else about this (including myself).

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 01:13 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

So is that killers afraid of hitting one another, a successful heal, a successful guard, or some combination therein? And this is the second time I've seen this from Shin in recent history

Healer and guard both getting it right would be rather unlikely. My guess is that one killer abstained, the other forgot to put an action in, and the healer was guarded. Or Shin was a killer and Liz gave the role to somebody else.

Hanas lightly pushing at Shadow here.

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.

I try very hard to not make assumptions in mafia. I believe paranoia is a virtue. I once spent an entire English period arguing with the professor that there is a clear difference in meaning between "to boldly go" and "to go boldly". But even I have trouble seeing any ambiguous language in

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

The set-up consist of 2 independent killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other.
Town has a guard and a healer.
Day is 36 hours. Night is instant, so make sure to provide provisionals.

that would allow room for killers coordinate.

I wonder if this particular post below follows on Hanas' apparent suspicions of Gamelon's? As if he's expecting Gamelon to reply with, "it would ruin the game because I'm one of the killers."

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 05 June 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

I'm here and thanks to the small amount of posts on thread caught up.
Will be on and off for some time.*

*I cannot care less about what happens on thread, but unfortunately I don't like to be mod-killed and ruin the game so I will post and hope you lynch me or I will get nked.

How would you being modkilled ruin the game?

And back to the one-liners once more. A pattern of not really following up on questioning perhaps.

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 05 June 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

I'm here and thanks to the small amount of posts on thread caught up.
Will be on and off for some time.*

*I cannot care less about what happens on thread, but unfortunately I don't like to be mod-killed and ruin the game so I will post and hope you lynch me or I will get nked.

How would you being modkilled ruin the game?

cause he's bringing the cookies and punch, this must be your first game

The cake was a lie. Ever since, I've been hesitant to believe the refreshments actually exist.

[Korlat]

Back to Atrahal-Gamelon. Seems to put faith in Tiam's deduction skills, possibly feeling there might be an ally there?

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.

Yeah, agree with Hanas here. Shadow looks like he is coordinating, again...

I was pointing out that his "coordinated withhold" was a load of bollocks. And that made me re-think his place in mental who is what file.

Tia, as long as you're looking at Atrahal go back and look at the Atrahal/Gamelon exchange. I'm probably seeing things, but...
Posts 130-136

Outlines the Atrahal-Gamelon suspicion, but explains that he, 'doesn't really know why' it bothers him. I would suggest because 1) you're fixating on it because you're the one who brought up fraulein in the first place; and 2) it's very weak.

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

@ Hanas - what were you thinking about the exchange w/ Gam & Atrahal?

This.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 04 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 04 June 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

Just Tholen and Venesara yet to post. I was about to mention you Gamelon. What do you think of the day so far?

I think Desra should learn some new threat, Isn't "when I become a mod, ..." some kind of Meta?
I also think that Shadow is a little obnoxious.
Also learned a new word: "fraulein"

Have you ever watched "The sound of music"?

Nope.

Ah, that is what Maria is. Fraulein Maria. I admit, I did not know until after I watched this film.

And I don't really know why it bothers me. But I get a signaling vibe.

And yes, I am the person who used "fräulein". Lizadrus lives in Germany.

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?

As I said, like an HP mini-me. Same sort of style, but in fewer posts, and a suspicion of Atra-Gamelon which is pushed very lightly, as if almost looking for someone else to leap on and run with it.

The reason I felt this was all worthy of notice is because it's so un-noteworthy. Very middle of the road and nothing for anyone to sink their teeth into - a few posts now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint.

[Tiamatha]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

And you thought my case was half-baked and weak-sauce....

If he's a symp, the coasting and lack of involvement are strange.
If he's a killer, the connections aren't really relevant to that.

There seems more to suggest killer than symp to me.

I think that the level to which he is coasting and playing middle of the road is very suspicious. Do you not think so?

He has 52 posts. How many of them are actually involved? And how many of those are only involved to defend himself?

Even on the rare occasions he does put forward an idea (once or twice), he drops it and doesn't go back to it, and the opinions he gives are all either uncommitted, middle of the road, or simply being agreeable towards someone elses ideas.

He's coasting tremendously.

Edit:

If you don't feel like he's been middle of the road, I would be interested in seeing which posts you think demonstrate this.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I saw the vomitus of quotes provided to back up HP's posting behavior and I do not dispute your classification. It's just we are looking to lynch killers, not symps, and that is where your case is unconvincing. I actually found the links between Kara/Desra/HP more compelling (well, intriguing), but that in my mind makes HP a symp. I feel like money low posters include Skintick and Gamelon (what are the odds that Gamelon will make it until the end of the game asking us to lynch him the whole way...).

I mean, I see no chance of getting traction on your slippery ass, so I will stick with Skintick and follow through with yesterday's direction. Hopefully we will hit paydirt.

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[Cast]

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 01:12 AM, said:

Fell asleep last night, sorry folks. Don't have time today, I'll be around in about 5 or 6 hours.

FFS...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 31 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 June 2013 - 01:44 AM