[Galayn Lord]

The defence then slowly but surely devolves into a pissing match. I'm not sure I'm buying the case on Shadow, although Atrahal is bugging the hell out of me. Too much being said by him that makes me thing he's a symp.

Skintick's case I could get behind--yeah, he's a low-poster, so am I, but I've at least tried to avoid posting useless crap. He's also made promises of content that never materialized.

Shadow contributes, and he gets people talking (even if said talking usually involves yelling at Shadow). Though his lynch could get us some info, perhaps, he's gotten himself involved in os many antaqgonistic convos I have a hard time figutring him out. I also happen to agree with him about Karat, so there's that.

[Shadow]

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

yes, when I looked at the final tally, GL's vote was listed as a self-vote instead of the hammer


I also am unconvinced by the exchange between Shadow & Tiam at this time

@ Shadow - why do you think Tiam is working so hard to get you lynched?

Beats me. Yesterday he didn't seem very taken with me, with stuff like this:

Tiamatha, on 04 June 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

The borderline meta discussion based on how far game veterans have progressed in the MBoF series is interesting, but not altogether a very solid way of sussing out scum playing as newbies. I seem to recall CocoReturns took forever to read the last book of the series, so basing cases on peoples' progress (or lack thereof) through the series does not seem all that helpful.

[...]

Statistically speaking, lynches of noisy and/or annoying players on day 1 usually ends up CFing inno not scum.

[...]

The day's progression toward a lynch is worrisome. We have a baby-size train on Shadow with scattered votes elsewhere and around 5 hours to go. I think we should try to break the norm and nail down one of the low posters, preferably one who has just posted to stay in the game

Then he's going for me today on the same day one evidence, and a bunch of tacked on stuff that seems poorly thought through.

Possibly going for someone he felt would be easy to push people on, given that I was the second largest train yesterday. Possibly just trying to seem involved, after being accused of being a low poster.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 11 hours and 15 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Shadow )

Players not voted: Cast, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen

[Shadow]

Watch out Tiam, new candidate distraction incoming.

HP has been bugging me for a little while, so let's take a look at him in a bit more depth.

So his first post, brings up possible signalling. It's also the start of what's going to be a bit of a recurring theme. Questions.

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

no, are you starting the coded messages already?

That signup sheet looks like it's going to be an excellent time

This is his second post. Another question, and overly obtuse in my opinion:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Do you think the killers are on the same team?

Post three, question three:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

I guess of this is an M&P/low TDMI joint, they would have to, otherwise it's a faction game instead. Was this info already stated?

Post four, summarises other people's clarifications:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

ok, single symp is good evidence for same team, I don't remember playing this exact setup before but that doesn't mean much since I'm brain damaged anyway

Useful:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

and the pissing matches begin

Light defence of Kara/his earlier discussion on whether the killers are on the same team as not totally useless:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

I disagree, he was answering questions, we almost had a conversation going

Until you sent a shadow fax

Likewise useful:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

It's true. Unfortunate really, guess I'll just go back to shutting up. Seems the only way to actually play this game with you lot.

try low posting, it's become all the rage with the cool kids these days

His longest post for a while:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

yes, we simply must have Desra's insight, if we are to win

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I'm okay with someone pointing out any oddness as possible signalling as long as it doesn't consume the entire thread to the exclusion of all else


oh, I hope nobody tries to act like a noob in this one

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

no one does double penetration any classier

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

I will at this time, step away from the one liner and leave you to it

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didnt find it scummy

If you outline a plan or say you think someone is suspicious, you also give scum a chance to respond or counter

How is that different?

Are you referring to me or shadow? I am thinking him but I just want to make sure I don't have to make some kind of animal sex rebuttal.

Save it for next time I'm saying we have to communicate openly when possible

This will take several posts most likely. HP has a fucking ton of contentless posts.

[Shadow]

More:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

i'm out until tomorrow

Insightful:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

not much has happened since I left.

Commentary:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

modkill avoidance. back in 3-4 hrs to catch up and play properly.

bare naked honesty, I see you

After I mention him:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

you dare call my posts odd? Don't you know that it's considered rude

Very considerate:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Hello other 4 anons.

hello, one of them is me, I'll be leaving my browser on at odd intervals for the duration. hope that doesn't inconvenience anyone



I don't think you have to worry about getting lynched for talking a lot, somebody has to do it after all.

[Shadow]

I try and get him to engage:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

you dare call my posts odd? Don't you know that it's considered rude

Care to actually engage in the game since you're around?

You seem kindly disposed towards Kara, don't you think that pointless discussion about whether the killers were separate teams (was this really necessary? It doesn't seem odd to anyone else?), and posting a bunch of irrelevant D-Day information is just trying too hard to seem like he's contributing? Especially as that keenness for useful contribution seems to have faded somewhat now.

He responds, in a very agreeable, middle of the road fashion:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

sure

I am kindly disposed toward everyone at this stage in the game, no reason to be otherwise. I don't feel that discussing game mechanics is "pointless" when anyone could need clarification, or some input based on experience could be relevant. Don't you have odd intuitive thoughts (however wild or incorrect) during games that you want to sound out?

I will agree that D-Day talk on the first is presumptive, and not too helpful. I usually associate that with a call to arms for town or fearmongering if by scum. I cannot judge of someone is post padding for its own sake. There is no rule about each post containing game material so if I want to talk about my lunch, you must deal with it.

It's hard to say why someone's contribution rate fluctuates

Defends his earlier questions, that I called obtuse. He's evidently around, and has a decent grasp on what is going on.

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I guess you are trying to be persistent, Shadow, but it's annoying since I asked a legitimate question, and other people answered. Sorry if I don't measure up to your standards in the esoteric mafia conversations. I know it's Day 1 and you'd rather pursue your case over nothing, particularly since you're worried about taking heat for being too helpful & productive.

Back to questions. Does this really do anything except re-iterate what Cast just said?

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

You think Atrahal is fake symping Shadow?

Asking about the signalling case:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

this is about the "shadow fax" post right?

Asking another super useful question:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also of note, This game is going to be a bit challenging in that the 2 killers will have no ties to each other. Usually, if we get one, there is a good chance we can get the other based on interactions. We don't have that luxury here. (Sorry shadow if this post was obvious to you. It doesn't really help us find scum, but maybe it will help people think of way/things to post that will helps us eventually. If this doesn't meet your standards for a content filled post that isn't just filler...I apologize.)

so how will we ever catch scum?

[Shadow]

Holy shit, look, it's some original content:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Given that it seems many people are keen on going the low-poster route this game, and given that it ties into my case on Shadow anyway, I will

remove vote
vote Silchas Ruin

I understand the merit of leaving the chatty players around, as they will give us more information to work with later. Day 1 is a perfect day for a low poster lynch. Historically, we rarely hit scum on Day 1 anyway, so if the low poster ends up not being scum, then we can move on. Plus, as I said, I think that it's possible that Silchas was symping Shadow. It's a given that if this is the case, Silchas will obviously show as town, so we won't get much more information, but I'd certainly like to see a lynch today, and if the Shadow lynch won't take off, then Silchas seems a good second choice to me.

this is the type of thing I often see being accused of preparing for an innocent CF to come back

and, I was looking for something that wouldn't be covered by the disclaimer, not the super obvious symp comment, but thanks

Clarifies his thought for someone:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

1st line - saying your post reminds me of other posts I have seen called scummy because it sets up the person (you in this case) to support the lynch of an inno with no ramifications.

2nd line - saying I knew about the symp & wanted some other ideas

Getting more clarification:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

so Desra, are you suggesting a no lynch, or just telling us it'll be ok if it happens?

Not very taken on the Silchas train:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

from what I can tell about the Silchas train, it is pretty random

Suggests to SR that him not being lynched might not lead to the WIFOM SR suggests. I tend to agree with SR here.

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

you seem to think everybody will just pile back on you tomorrow, but there has been little pressure against you.

This is his last post of Day one, about an hour before time out. He is not on the Silchas train.

He then signs off, twenty three minutes after the end of the day:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

So a quick last minute lynch it is

Glad to see no nk's

Probably out for today

[Hood's Path]

wouldn't it be faster to just say I don't provide as much content as you like to see?

[Shadow]

So, that's Hood's Path for day one. Sorry for the huge number of quotes, but I wanted to demonstrate how much of this contentless stuff he has.

The total of his actual contribution:

Asks about whether scum would be on the same team.
Depends his asking of this question.
One very middle of the road post, again defending his asking of the question. Doesn't come to any real conclusion on the other point he discusses, and doesn't follow it up at all.
One post where he actually contributes, pointing out that Kara looks like preparing for an inno CF while switching.

He is pretty nice to Kara throughout, connection wise. A couple of posts where Desra could seem connected too. His post accusing (if you can call it that) Kara, comes after me pointing out that he's been kindly disposed to him. He also defends this by saying he's been kindly disposed to everyone, which I guess is sort of true given he's said pretty much sod all about anyone.

Also worth noting that he didn't vote SR, while seeming like he was definitely around.

[Shadow]

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

wouldn't it be faster to just say I don't provide as much content as you like to see?

I don't think that really demonstrates the extent of it.

[Karatallid]

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

So, that's Hood's Path for day one. Sorry for the huge number of quotes, but I wanted to demonstrate how much of this contentless stuff he has.

The total of his actual contribution:

Asks about whether scum would be on the same team.
Depends his asking of this question.
One very middle of the road post, again defending his asking of the question. Doesn't come to any real conclusion on the other point he discusses, and doesn't follow it up at all.
One post where he actually contributes, pointing out that Kara looks like preparing for an inno CF while switching.

He is pretty nice to Kara throughout, connection wise. A couple of posts where Desra could seem connected too. His post accusing (if you can call it that) Kara, comes after me pointing out that he's been kindly disposed to him. He also defends this by saying he's been kindly disposed to everyone, which I guess is sort of true given he's said pretty much sod all about anyone.

Also worth noting that he didn't vote SR, while seeming like he was definitely around.

It pains me to say it, but I see merit in this case. Could be that HP was fake-symping me. I don't see any connections to anyone besides me, and, to a lesser extent, Desra though.

[Hood's Path]

not sure how you want me to respond here, Shady - sounds like you're a little jealous I'm nicer to Kara & Desra than to you, don't worry we can be pals, but you're gonna have to cut me a little slack first.

So you don't mention me as scummy in any way, maybe you'd care to elaborate how everybody that doesn't play the same way as you is obviously the enemy and maybe show how I hurt town anywhere intentionally?

[Shadow]

Fuck I just deleted my fucking Day two post...Here goes again.

[Hood's Path]

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Fuck I just deleted my fucking Day two post...Here goes again.

hurry, I'm running out of time before I sign off

[Shadow]

Day two take two:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

back for today

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Korlat, on 05 June 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Having no kill on night one with a modkill and a lynch benefits us. I am hoping for a similar outcome tonight minus the modkill.

Wait, so you're hoping that we can get a lynch and that there are no kills in the night? Why didn't you also mention that you hope the lynch is a successful scum lynch and so fully declare your inno intentions and beliefs to the thread?

nobody would buy that

Brings up his point on Kara again:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

he was doing this before SR was lynched

He doesn't seem very bothered about doing anything about it though, considering it's the only actual content he's really seemed to bring up so far, except for defending himself. Does he follow it up? Guess.

Some summarising, some general comments on people judging comments. Which is sort of the point of mafia. People want content to increase, not just posting, otherwise you get...well, people playing like HP.

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

there were other WIFOMy comments about why there was no kill not just Korlat I think - let's see who wants to waste all day talking about it

why does everybody think they get to judge all the comments as senseless or pointless and invalid? If you want posting and comments to increase, quit acting like every word must be profound

Cast follows up on Kara more strongly than HP actually does:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

he was doing this before SR was lynched

So again, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHO IS INNO ARE SCUM. The symp knows with certainty and the killers obviously know themselves and have some guesses on the rest of the team. That Kara keeps on about this looks like he's trying too hard to look like town.

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

those low posting pricks

Atrahal has caught on to HP, but doesn't seem to mind:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

those low posting pricks

I'm letting you ride this out. Someone may take offence to your naughty ways. I ,on the other hand, enjoy your one liners.

[Shadow]

Some interaction, with Desra this time. It's still pretty vague though.

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

of course you would say that

Were you offended that no one liked your idea of letting day time out and there was a last chance pile on of votes? That seemed somehow significant to me

Worth remembering that he seemed to be around, but didn't vote SR.

Backs off after Desra responds:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

well, I was alright with no lynch to be honest, the train on SR was composed of nothingness

I actually wanted a comment on the pile-on. It seemed to come from nowhere and I can't decide if it was good 'ol "must lynch for town sake" or scum thinking about not missing an easy lynch

Brings up the train, but doesn't really give an opinion, just puts it out there.

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

cause he's bringing the cookies and punch, this must be your first game

More re-iteration by questioning:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

@ Tholen - so you don't think when Shadow said GL was lurking, then he pops up (as quoted previously by others) to vote that he was lurking, it was merely coincidence?

I can't help but think scum is right in that group


also, I agree about Kara's post

You might think someone who "can't help but think" that scum is narrowed down to a small group might actually do something about that.

Agrees again, this time about accusations of Kara being pre-emptively defensive.

Engages to defend himself again:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

why are you quoting me and referring to Shadow?

and wouldn't Atrahal be telling Kara it's OK to low post?


EDIT: too late to not point it out, I'm afraid

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

don't mistakenly accuse me of silliness and I won't even have to...

Why would I even mention that Atrahal is signalling if I were to be engaged in responding? That would be stupid

Asking for yet more clarification:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

sorry, I didn't see you retract

how do you link Shadow & Atrahal with this quote in #351? seems like you are back in the quarrel from yesterday

Oh hey, this is helpful, prompting someone else to give an opinion on something:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

@ Hanas - what were you thinking about the exchange w/ Gam & Atrahal?

Not that he's pushing it or anything, or venturing much of one himself.

More re-iteration/questioning:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Trains failing is often scummy. This is due to the fact that the remaining members of the scum team don't push a few votes into a lynch train and instead either wait it out or redirect the focus. Also, considering that the standing case was on you and SR makes me wonder why SR took the fall instead of you when initially SR had less votes than you.

any chance the train was redirected?

Hey wait a second, I thought you had brought this one up yourself earlier...In fact, you couldn't help think some of a certain group on the train were scum.

Oh look, it's another thing HP doesn't have an opinion on. And another question without venturing anything himself:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

yes, when I looked at the final tally, GL's vote was listed as a self-vote instead of the hammer


I also am unconvinced by the exchange between Shadow & Tiam at this time

@ Shadow - why do you think Tiam is working so hard to get you lynched?

Will summarise my thoughts in a separate post.

[Hood's Path]

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

So, that's Hood's Path for day one. Sorry for the huge number of quotes, but I wanted to demonstrate how much of this contentless stuff he has.

The total of his actual contribution:

Asks about whether scum would be on the same team.
Depends his asking of this question.
One very middle of the road post, again defending his asking of the question. Doesn't come to any real conclusion on the other point he discusses, and doesn't follow it up at all.
One post where he actually contributes, pointing out that Kara looks like preparing for an inno CF while switching.

He is pretty nice to Kara throughout, connection wise. A couple of posts where Desra could seem connected too. His post accusing (if you can call it that) Kara, comes after me pointing out that he's been kindly disposed to him. He also defends this by saying he's been kindly disposed to everyone, which I guess is sort of true given he's said pretty much sod all about anyone.

Also worth noting that he didn't vote SR, while seeming like he was definitely around.

It pains me to say it, but I see merit in this case. Could be that HP was fake-symping me. I don't see any connections to anyone besides me, and, to a lesser extent, Desra though.

don't let your love for me interfere with the kind of keen judgement required to agree with Shady on this one...Come on

[Shadow]

HP is currently the third highest poster.

And yet, in terms of content, he has provided very little, and what he has provided has been extremely middle of the road. He has not committed to anything. Most of his interactions that actually have content are just defending himself.

At the same time, he does seem to have a reasonable grasp of the game.

He introduces the idea that Kara seems to be preparing for an inno CF.
He brings up the train as a "pile on" and suggests it may be somewhere to look for scum.
He asks me why he thinks Tiam is so keen on me.

The thing is, he is happy to let others carry these ideas for him.

He appears to be contributing by asking people questions, but mostly they're just re-iterating what the person has already said. Those that aren't are just asking people's opinion on other peoples cases.

He ventures absolutely no opinion of his own.

It's non-commital, middle of the road, coasting play, when he seems to have both the time and the ability to do otherwise.

As well as this, his non-vote of Silchas seems odd. He never seems set on SR as a suspect (or anyone really of course), but doesn't vote him for a lynch when he appears to have been around, and also later pulls up Desra on suggesting the no lynch, and then backs off in a very wishy-washy display.

Remove vote

Vote Hood's Path

I am not entirely set on my vote since I think it is possible he could be a symp (Kara notably, with Desra as a possible partner). However, he has not been hugely involved in trying to direct the thread, and his coasting behaviour makes scum perhaps the stronger possibility.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 30 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )

Players not voted: Cast, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Skintick, Tholen

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 05 June 2013 - 11:48 PM

[Cast]

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.