In my experience there are several ways to signal other players. You can agree with them and hope that they notice. You can put codes in and hope to hell that they notice but no one else does. You can follow there votes and back up there arguments so that they think you might be their symp. There are other ways to but lets be honest most of those other ways suck even more then the ones I just described. So taking the third one into consideration I am starting to look at people who are jumping from one train to another. After all scum wants to lynch town.
So the first go around is a couple of votes on Shadow. The first is from Korlat with Kara following.
Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:
Ok, this actually makes my decision easier, knowing that Shadow hasn't been putting themselves as 'out there' as much as I thought they had. I'm going with the 'I haven't read the entire series' signalling theory as the best thing currently around. In that scenario Silchas Ruin is the symp signalling to the killer Shadow that they're relatable in some pretty unique way amongst the players here. Shadow has one of the higher post counts but most of that is from the to-and-fro with Desra, mostly having to react rather than instigate - arguably, anyway.
Vote Shadow
Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:
Are people taking Shadow seriously? Given the game setup, D-Day is a lot sooner than most M&P games I have participated in and/or modded, so I wanted it to be clear that we needed to be on our toes. Mafia is a game of math and numbers first, so saying that there is no point in discussing the math and numbers is a load of crap. I think Shadow might be so intent on pushing us away from looking at that, so that scum can get a win quickly.
This, combined with the possible signalling between Shadow and Shelly, makes me want to
vote Shadow
Maybe it's a little OMGUS, but seriously, the load of shit that you're trying to shovel in front of us and call good Mafia theory is ridiculous.
Now as soon as the train on Shadow starts to diminish Kara is quick to jump ship. First comes Tholen's vote on Silchas then comes Kara's. To me Kara seems especially eager and willing to just get a train in motion. He seems to come slightly close to making the same points as both Tholen and Korlat but not quite. Follow's both with a vote but keeps just enough distance.
Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:
OK, caught up and here are my thoughts. (to those who didn't like my modkill avoidance post...fuck off. I have time to play this game, I just didn't have it until now. It does town no good to have me lynched so I wanted to make sure I got on and avoided the modkill. You're welcome)
Signaling cases are shit. I don't agree with them, and think they are usually a smokescreen case for scum. How often does signalling actually work? How often does the person being signaled even know what to look for. Think on your Mafia career. How many times has it worked or someone being caught in a signal case actually been scum? I just don't think they have any merit and I think the people that use them are either using them as a screen or just can't think of anything better to write.
The Shadow/Desra thing seems over the top and contrived. Shadow going on about unnecessary posting benefiting scum...wtf is that. Someone posted a D-day scenario on thread, and Shadow says thats a worthless post that really contributes nothing...seriously? It seems like according to you, only posts that definitely point out scum should be allowed. That ain't happening. The way we find scum is to post, post a lot, point fingers, be abrasive, get info that others might not have thought of on the thread. I know you are a super genius and all but some people like to have things like D-day scenarios on thread for reference, or because they haven't thought of them. Trying to limit the flow of information on thread IS scummy. That is what you are trying to do.
regarding Desra, I actually think his case/observation had some merit...It doesn't add up that one vet, let alone two, haven't finished the series... but as for it being signalling.. well, I don't think so. But something doesn't seem right there.
There were a ton of people that popped on have like 3-4 posts and bailed.It's a bit early but based on last game, these people need to step up and start posting more. (I know, rich coming from my third post and first of substance...I'll be around much more from here on). We seem to have a posting problem and hopefully it can get fixed. I don't mind low posting, as long as the posts are content filled and constructive. Gaylord stuck out as good in this regard.
I think Atrahal's case on Silchas didn't have much behind it. But it is day 1 and you need to take stabs in the dark. What interests me is the reply that Silchas gave. See Below.
Silchas Ruin, on 04 June 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:
Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:
For now I am going to
Vote Silchas Ruin
The only content he provided was the joke vote and a few one liners in response to me. Since then he hasn't done anything to engage in conversation. I am not sure where I place Desra and Shadow at the moment. One of them could be a symp muddying the waters. I want to focus on the people that don't want to stand out and coast along.
The only conversations going on to engage in when I was around yesterday was either meta to the threat of modkill and the pissing match between Desra and Shadow which I found ridiculous but had nothing to share that wouldn't be parroting someone else. And now I had 15 minutes to check the thread before I leave for my day, which resulted in no more insight than the fact that you have a massive rage boner that you're directing my way today.. Anyhow, that's my thoughts.
His reaction seems pretty wild and defensive for receiving one vote. A "massive rage boner" does not one post make. Based on this over reaction I am going to
vote Silchas Ruin
I would also be willing to vote Shadow for trying to control information flow on the thread, or any of the low posters that isn't me. I will be around until lynch.
Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:
Given that it seems many people are keen on going the low-poster route this game, and given that it ties into my case on Shadow anyway, I will
remove vote
vote Silchas Ruin
I understand the merit of leaving the chatty players around, as they will give us more information to work with later. Day 1 is a perfect day for a low poster lynch. Historically, we rarely hit scum on Day 1 anyway, so if the low poster ends up not being scum, then we can move on. Plus, as I said, I think that it's possible that Silchas was symping Shadow. It's a given that if this is the case, Silchas will obviously show as town, so we won't get much more information, but I'd certainly like to see a lynch today, and if the Shadow lynch won't take off, then Silchas seems a good second choice to me.
I am not sold on any of these being scum. But I am pointing out when something strikes me as off or something that I would do.