[Atrahal]

Hanas, on 11 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Lizradus, on 11 June 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 15 hours and 36 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Shadow ( Karatallid, Cast )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
1 Vote for Cast ( Hanas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow

Lots of hours to go in this day. So don't put on blinders.

I didn't like the short exchange about Sound of Music, Fräulein Maria, etc. I had been letting Gamelon slide because he said early on that he'd not be able to post early on the week. Since KL and Shin had both said that I was willing to give some slack. But once they were both dead, and Gamelon was still alive, I thought there might be something to that exchange.
On the other side of that is Atrahal. Who has done some excellent work above. Except the part about me being the symp.

So you are saying you are not the symp? How can we believe that? With the voting of night and the early hammering? Do you not see that as scummy?

[Atrahal]

Also 13 hours 35 minutes. You quoted the wrong time.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm really happy to see all the analyses going around today! It's really helpful to be able to sift through all these interactions. The problem I am seeing is that everyone suspects almost everyone of being a symp, but almost no one of being scum.

As it stands, I am still convinced that Shadow is scum, so my vote stays there. The only two other places I am willing to move my vote are to Hanas, and, to a slightly lesser degree, Atrahal. The thing that's got me is that if there are two scum left, then why don't they just hammer Shadow? Either Cast or Shadow must be one of the scum, if you ask me.

Why isn't Hanas jumping onto the Shadow train? Fake symping imo. He is waiting for someone to put their vote there before hammering. How can you say Shadow is scum after the last few days is beyond me.

Kara I have you, Cast, Hanas, Tholen as potential scum.

If you are innocent then you got to look at the people you are grouped with. You think me scummy? Why? Get your head out your arse and think things through. Stop being narrow minded and look at the whole. Who do you think is most likely symp? How can you see Hanas as potential town? If you think him scummy then what the fuck are you thinking I am scummy for? I'm shaking my head here.

*shakes head

Why Shadow?

Why not Cast?

Why not Tholen?

Why not Korlat?

I made a four fucking post case with several quotes against you and Shadow, and that's not good enough for you? Go fuck yourself. I'm not terribly interested in rehashing the same shit you all have been rehashing for the past few hours.

I think you and Shadow are scummy, and am willing to vote Hanas because, though I believe more strongly that you and Shadow are likely our remaining two scum, Hanas has done some pretty scummy shit.

Cast has been accused of being scummy without any real solid evidence that he is. Tholen nor Korlat really strike me as scummy. I was worried about Korlat, but the analysis that someone (I think you) did recently has cleared that up for me. So, it's you, Shadow, and, to a lesser degree, Hanas.

I'm not changing my vote just cause you don't think I'm right. My vote goes for who I think is scummy. I'll change for the lynch if it's on one of my three suspects. Otherwise, you'll have to convince other idiots to follow you.

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm really happy to see all the analyses going around today! It's really helpful to be able to sift through all these interactions. The problem I am seeing is that everyone suspects almost everyone of being a symp, but almost no one of being scum.

As it stands, I am still convinced that Shadow is scum, so my vote stays there. The only two other places I am willing to move my vote are to Hanas, and, to a slightly lesser degree, Atrahal. The thing that's got me is that if there are two scum left, then why don't they just hammer Shadow? Either Cast or Shadow must be one of the scum, if you ask me.

Why isn't Hanas jumping onto the Shadow train? Fake symping imo. He is waiting for someone to put their vote there before hammering. How can you say Shadow is scum after the last few days is beyond me.

Kara I have you, Cast, Hanas, Tholen as potential scum.

If you are innocent then you got to look at the people you are grouped with. You think me scummy? Why? Get your head out your arse and think things through. Stop being narrow minded and look at the whole. Who do you think is most likely symp? How can you see Hanas as potential town? If you think him scummy then what the fuck are you thinking I am scummy for? I'm shaking my head here.

*shakes head

Why Shadow?

Why not Cast?

Why not Tholen?

Why not Korlat?

I made a four fucking post case with several quotes against you and Shadow, and that's not good enough for you? Go fuck yourself. I'm not terribly interested in rehashing the same shit you all have been rehashing for the past few hours.

I think you and Shadow are scummy, and am willing to vote Hanas because, though I believe more strongly that you and Shadow are likely our remaining two scum, Hanas has done some pretty scummy shit.

Cast has been accused of being scummy without any real solid evidence that he is. Tholen nor Korlat really strike me as scummy. I was worried about Korlat, but the analysis that someone (I think you) did recently has cleared that up for me. So, it's you, Shadow, and, to a lesser degree, Hanas.

I'm not changing my vote just cause you don't think I'm right. My vote goes for who I think is scummy. I'll change for the lynch if it's on one of my three suspects. Otherwise, you'll have to convince other idiots to follow you.

I wish I had some knowledge on Shadow. I think voting him today and seeing his CF will clear a lot of things up but then you could be scum. Cast could be scum. You see my dilemma. By voting Shadow I can prove I am not his symp BUT if he CF's as town which he might then that leaves us up shit creek without a paddle. I mean I'm already torn between voting for certain people yet you only will vote 3 people.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm really happy to see all the analyses going around today! It's really helpful to be able to sift through all these interactions. The problem I am seeing is that everyone suspects almost everyone of being a symp, but almost no one of being scum.

As it stands, I am still convinced that Shadow is scum, so my vote stays there. The only two other places I am willing to move my vote are to Hanas, and, to a slightly lesser degree, Atrahal. The thing that's got me is that if there are two scum left, then why don't they just hammer Shadow? Either Cast or Shadow must be one of the scum, if you ask me.

Why isn't Hanas jumping onto the Shadow train? Fake symping imo. He is waiting for someone to put their vote there before hammering. How can you say Shadow is scum after the last few days is beyond me.

Kara I have you, Cast, Hanas, Tholen as potential scum.

If you are innocent then you got to look at the people you are grouped with. You think me scummy? Why? Get your head out your arse and think things through. Stop being narrow minded and look at the whole. Who do you think is most likely symp? How can you see Hanas as potential town? If you think him scummy then what the fuck are you thinking I am scummy for? I'm shaking my head here.

*shakes head

Why Shadow?

Why not Cast?

Why not Tholen?

Why not Korlat?

I made a four fucking post case with several quotes against you and Shadow, and that's not good enough for you? Go fuck yourself. I'm not terribly interested in rehashing the same shit you all have been rehashing for the past few hours.

I think you and Shadow are scummy, and am willing to vote Hanas because, though I believe more strongly that you and Shadow are likely our remaining two scum, Hanas has done some pretty scummy shit.

Cast has been accused of being scummy without any real solid evidence that he is. Tholen nor Korlat really strike me as scummy. I was worried about Korlat, but the analysis that someone (I think you) did recently has cleared that up for me. So, it's you, Shadow, and, to a lesser degree, Hanas.

I'm not changing my vote just cause you don't think I'm right. My vote goes for who I think is scummy. I'll change for the lynch if it's on one of my three suspects. Otherwise, you'll have to convince other idiots to follow you.

I wish I had some knowledge on Shadow. I think voting him today and seeing his CF will clear a lot of things up but then you could be scum. Cast could be scum. You see my dilemma. By voting Shadow I can prove I am not his symp BUT if he CF's as town which he might then that leaves us up shit creek without a paddle. I mean I'm already torn between voting for certain people yet you only will vote 3 people.

Yeah, which means I have some direction, instead of making a case against every person left on thread. All this "every person on thread" could be a symp shit is getting us nowhere.

[Atrahal]

There are 5 town as of right now and only two scum.

I have to trust someone. I want that someone to be Cast, Korlat, Kara and Shadow. Leave Hanas and Tholen. But Tholen is voting Hanas today even though yesterday that was a bad idea according to him.

I am going to vote after Korlat and Shadow. Once I know where the players are voting. I am not voting first. I don't want a pile on.

[Atrahal]

Kara can you pull up all the lynch trains including Galayn's?

[Atrahal]

Okay I didn't get very far in my scrutiny and that maybe what is leaving me a little clueless. Is Shadow defending Galayn lord a little here? This post make Tholen look more townlike?

Tholen, on 06 June 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Tholen, on 06 June 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

What kind of input do you want? We have a reveal, a solid reveal. If GL is scum he's gonna come on thread and spew a bunch of shit that will muck up the thread. If GL is innocent, we have scum in Tiam and we lynch him. The only input you are going to get is I agreement with Tiam or not.

I don't understand using the time just for the sake of using time. The more you post, the scummier you seem. If GL comes back as scum you will be my prime symp candidate.

How do you know the reveal is solid?

Not speed-lynching is standard procedure in regards to a reveal.

I also really don't get the fixation people have with the argument that someone actually posting is somehow a bad thing, like seeing what people have to say is only gonna be a bad thing that "muddies up the thread". It's very anti-information play, and it's idiotic.

Why do you want us to rush into this lynch?

Because I don't see the point in waiting around for something that is inevitable. Lets get the CF and make our plans from there. It's not like we don't get a whole day to talk about this as soon as the lynch happens. Also, the underlined part, coming from you is real rich, considering you are the one that was blasting for people posting things on day one. Hypocrite much?

I feel the reveal is solid because the vibe I get from Tiam is real. I didn't think he was distracting from anyone else's lynch and I don't see any motivation for the symp to fake reveal this early just to get a townie lynch. With the lack of kills this game has had, trading a scum for a townie is not a good trade for the scum team. Trading 1 roled town for 1 killer is a great trade for town. Hence, I feel Tiam's reveal is solid.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Does anyone with more mafia experience (whether through veteran status or actually modding) wish to comment about game balance in relation to 2 kills per night versus an alternating kill? Having never really modded, I am unsure upon the reasoning behind such game creation.

2 kills per night favours the scum, but alternating kills would favour town more. If one of the killers died early, it would take the other a very long time to win that way.

Games like this are quite volatile balance wise, because there are a lot of factors that can completely throw the game either way early on.

Posts like this favour town.

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

She: What is it?
He: I have no idea.
She: I don't like it.
He: Yes.
She: It is ...
He: Let's better leave.


It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara


Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Galayn Lord is missing on the end of that train.

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

[Hanas]

Atrahal said:

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Hanas said:

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Lizradus said:

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It is Day 5. 15 hours and 36 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Shadow ( Karatallid, Cast )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
1 Vote for Cast ( Hanas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow

Lots of hours to go in this day. So don't put on blinders.

I didn't like the short exchange about Sound of Music, Fräulein Maria, etc. I had been letting Gamelon slide because he said early on that he'd not be able to post early on the week. Since KL and Shin had both said that I was willing to give some slack. But once they were both dead, and Gamelon was still alive, I thought there might be something to that exchange.
On the other side of that is Atrahal. Who has done some excellent work above. Except the part about me being the symp.

So you are saying you are not the symp? How can we believe that? With the voting of night and the early hammering? Do you not see that as scummy?

Of course I see that as scummy. But if it's scummy for me to hammer HP with three hours to go, why isn't Tholen scummy for hammering the healer reveal? And look back to yesterday. Do you honestly believe that there was the slightest chance that the vote could have swung with just three hours to go? Veng is a persuasive bastard, but I don't think he could have made the swing. So I hammered to make sure we got a lynch.
I voted night to stop the bloody finger pointing that was getting us nowhere. Especially the math. We were about to go through another phase of discussing the merits of discussing game mechanics. Fuck that. I voted night to change the fucking flow of info. And it worked btw. Gusty revealed Guard and outed GL. Why the fuck do you think Ment was so pissed at me? He realized what I had done. Gust dying can't completely be laid at my feet; I told him not to guard me. I understand his reasoning though.

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 23 hours and 14 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hanas ( Galayn Lord )
6 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Tiamatha, Atrahal, Karatallid, Tholen, Hanas, Shadow )

Players not voted: Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

well, then

for the testing of reveals

Vote Gaylord


perhaps a speedy CF is in the offing from PS before the evening begins

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

Well diddley dee, potatoes!
The Irish man did say.
I guarded him,
There was no kill,
He must be scum, ole Gay.
You hung him high,
You laid him low,
And when the smoke did clear
You celebrated the luckiest lynch
You fags have had all year.

Galayn Lord has been lynched, he was filthy, unforgivable scum. Oh, and his name is Mentalist

[Hanas]

It's good to see you two working together finally.

[Atrahal]

KARA if you read anything read this post.

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Wow, guard reveal. And since we now know that roled players CF with their role, we know the guard must be in the game.

It makes much more sense to lynch GL since you guarded him, than Hanas for being connected. At this stage, testing the reveal is the most important thing, which means voting GL really.

I agree that Hanas voting night is scummy.

Now he could advocate going after Hanas here, if Shadow does that and convinces us Hanas is the better choice out of the two then Galayn walks free another day. If Shadow is symp he would know GL is the killer.

Yet that doesn't matter if Shadow is the killer, he wouldn't know who GL is. Shit, Hanas was symping Shadow earlier on, if Shadow caught onto this he'd think Hanas is his symp and that is why he thinks GL is the better option.

[Karatallid]

Path-Shaper, on 10 June 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

On the gallows, there hangs a string
and on the string I swing and swing.

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 53 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
6 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen, Hanas )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )

Players not voted: Gamelon

Hood's Path is dead. He was HO and RI.

Gamelon was modkilled for inactivity. He was EM and RI.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

KARA if you read anything read this post.

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Wow, guard reveal. And since we now know that roled players CF with their role, we know the guard must be in the game.

It makes much more sense to lynch GL since you guarded him, than Hanas for being connected. At this stage, testing the reveal is the most important thing, which means voting GL really.

I agree that Hanas voting night is scummy.

Now he could advocate going after Hanas here, if Shadow does that and convinces us Hanas is the better choice out of the two then Galayn walks free another day. If Shadow is symp he would know GL is the killer.

Yet that doesn't matter if Shadow is the killer, he wouldn't know who GL is. Shit, Hanas was symping Shadow earlier on, if Shadow caught onto this he'd think Hanas is his symp and that is why he thinks GL is the better option.

If I were a killer in a game of this setup, I'd agree to test the reveal right away too. Deflecting from the reveal would only bring the attention down on his head. So this only reinforces my belief.

[Atrahal]

Look at the positioning of Hanas and Shadow in those lynches, day one one after the other, day two both off the train, day three one after the other

[Hanas]

Atrahal said:

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Look at the positioning of Hanas and Shadow in those lynches, day one one after the other, day two both off the train, day three one after the other

Oh Jesus Christ. Now you're going to look at timing in a game with no off thread comms.

I am not scum.Vote Shadow

[Karatallid]

remove vote

Too early in the day to be at L-1 I think.