Ok, I'll first address Shadow's posts, since it's partly about me (although, not actually to me, so I'm not certain whether he's asking something of me here or just trying to highlight some things).
Shadow, on 11 June 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:
Cast seems to be getting a lot of heat.
Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:
Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around.
This also stuck out to me.
Being on everyone's list isn't exactly what you'd expect from someone with a symp.
This seems an interesting point. You're saying how could Cast be the killer if no one is remotely interested in defending them? The problem I see is that opinion is divided on whether Cast could be a killer, or just a symp. There aren't as many people straight out accusing Cast of being a killer as you seem to imply. So any lynch movement their way stalls for that very reason. But they've being getting heat from a number of directions because they
have done a number of scummy things over the course of the game, as you point out below.
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Hanas/Cast? Possible. With how much Hanas has been pointed at as the symp, its hard to use him being for or against a particular lynch to mean that much.
I'm kind of reconsidering Cast atm. He seems to have been mentioned quite a lot recently, but it feels a bit out of proportion with what people are mentioning as scummy, like some people are just going along with it, throwing him in as an obligatory mention because a few other people don't like him.
I didn't like his coasting behaviour at the start of the game.
I didn't like his attitude towards GL (not just saying we should wait, but outright attacking).
The rapid vote is not good as others have said.
Of these three, the first does not apply to a lot of people, or at least they didn't make much of it at the time.
The third is more recent, and does not justify earlier heat.
So, is it just his post about GL?
He's getting mentioned an awful lot recently, possibly even more than it was at the time.
Korlat brought it up as maybe sympy. I said I thought symp didn't really work, and that the behaviour might fit killer better. This got a bit of agreement, Cast started getting mentioned a bit more.
But it just feels at this point like he's reached some sort of feedback loop of being mentioned as scummy, without people actually backing up why they think so in a convincing manner.
It's making me pause.
I do still think symp fits better for Cast - and yes, especially in relation to the posts during the Galayn lynch. As I mentioned above, you disagreed, but I'm not sure as many people have followed you on that thought (at least in any concrete way), as you make out. Otherwise, why isn't Cast lynched already?
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Getting too caught up in a small number of people is more likely to suit scum.
This is true - so long as the small number of people doesn't actually include scum. I'm all for casting the net wider before reeling in, however.
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Atrahal and Kara have been standing out to me a lot more recently. Tholen did some stuff earlier I didn't like, and every now and again I get a twinge from him, either something overly middle of the road or that just doesn't add up. If Korlat is scum he's done a good job so far. He's not been in any confrontation, agreeably, not seemed to be unreasonable. The kind of things that people call "smooth", which I've never really liked as a reason in itself.
It did make me go and look back a bit at Korlat though. That someone has been looked at remarkably little seems a good reason in itself to look at them.A couple of things that I noticed.
Firstly, he could be accused of being overly agreeable, and somewhat middle of that road:
Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:
Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:
This is a ludicrously bad case.
Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.
It's awful, I agree, but I don't see better currently. Doesn't mean it's not right anyway, though perhaps for the wrong reasons
Really out now.
Heh, this was actually me trying to antagonise you! I'm hurt that not only did you not take the bait, you didn't even realise it was bait
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Almost the definition of middle of the road here:
Korlat, on 05 June 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:
Ooooh BUUURRRNNN!!
This is a nice little back-and-forth you two have going on, though at the end of it I can't same I'm truly convinced either way. But what I'm getting from Tiamatha's case is essentially the same thing (possible signalling) as why Shadow was being sized up for a lynch on Day 1, only Tiam's substituted Atrahal for Silchas Ruin as the symp. Tiam might use words like 'gestalt case', but it does seem a signalling case at it's very heart. Don't get me wrong, I was willing to place my vote on Shadow for that reason yesterday, so I would not be averse to doing the same today, except it feels like Tiam is trying quite hard to frame this case as something it's not.
I'm going to have to disagree with your interpretation of this as 'middle-of-the-road'. I was pointing out that Tiamathat had made a crappy case and had dressed it up in fine clothes in order to disguise it as something more than it actually was - a familiar case rehashed with a new antagonist
- and this made me stop and consider why Tiam was bringing it up. In fact, if you go back during Tiam's reveal, you'll see that I bring it up again - why was Tiam dressing up these cases when they suspected GL of being the killer? Tiam answered well and it led me to believing their reveal.
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Agreeable, but not really adding anything useful:
Korlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:
Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:
Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?
And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.
I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I agree it's a possibility, but I'm not certain, and I'm not certain because of such and such reasons. In any event, I'm now convinced that KL
was trying to piss us off and see how far she can take the HOIFOY persona, and I said as much in a PM to SH
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His case on Hanas is also a bit on the easy side. It's the kind of thing I could easily see being someone wanting to look like being a bit more involved, without putting themselves out there too much, and he doesn't push it very vigorously.
Case? What I did with Hanas is pretty much the same you're doing here with my posts. Would you call this a case? I decided to do an analysis of Hanas' posts because something about them pricked me. I was suspicious, yes, and I wanted to see what it was about them that made me so. I then outlined the reasons why when I set out their posts. There was nothing I could place as overly incriminating, though I did feel that I highlighted their style of play and made it something to watch. Only when Tiamatha revealed and set out their beliefs did I become convinced (albeit tragically briefly) that Hanas was indeed a killer.
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The other really noticeable thing is the pick up of activity in comparison to how quiet he was early game, which does mirror how scum tend to play, in particular with coasting day one.
I've admired your posting this game, but this is just a silly point to end with. I think I stated early on that I would be quite busy early on and that it was likely to continue over the week. Indeed, I would hardly say my posting numbers have changed drastically day to day. Moreover, with day 1, even when I was around, in between the Atrahal-Kara and yours and Desra's tiffs, I saw little to interject about.
I think that I will try to take a look at Karatallid and Tholen today amongst other things, as they are two who have somewhat fallen off my own radar.
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