[Path-Shaper]

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

That poem was a beauty

Why thank you
I'm writing an album, when all the songs are written I'll post them.

[Cast]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Shadow is probably the person to instinctively look at for the symp role, because they asked for the lynch to slow down, and more than that because they have been posting like mad and putting their fingers into all the pies, so to speak, and even more than that because Tiam suspected them.

But I don't think so. I think the symp could be Cast. Look at these two posts below.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think rushing a lynch doesn't help town any in this instance. I'd like to hear back from GL and see if we get a counter.

Much more so than what Shadow was saying, that first post smells of desperation to stop/stall the lynch and have us look elsewhere, naming several people and throwing mud at Tiam's name, so to speak. I must admit, it certainly made me worry if Tiam was on the right track, whether there were variables which they hadn't considered before revealing. I believed Tiam's reveal, but I did worry that there was a possibility that they had jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The second post now, knowing Galayn's CF, looks to me like someone who is hoping their scum master can pull something out of their ass.

Thoughts?

I realize what it looks like, but my resistance to Tiam was based on these three things:

1) GL seemed like a very odd choice for a day 1 guard. I would have picked Atrahal, Kara or Shadow.
2) I've been burned by false reveals before.
3) The odds of a day 1 guard finding a killer 2 games in a row seemed out of whack.

If you still think that I look scummy then lynch me, move on and you can still safely lynch Shadow or whomever else before the weekend freeze.

[Korlat]

I am all excited and motivated after the successful lynch

So here's what I could dig up on Cast, trying to look at it from the viewpoint of him as the symp.

This post might be an early attempt at setting another up as a possible symp. Although it would be fair to point out that one of the two people he's highlighting is Shadow, and he's hardly the only one to think of them as a possible symp. Having said that, I'm not sure which one he's referring to as the symp and which one as the killer in this instance.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Looks like I didn't miss much, just the Desra/Shadow spat.
First they vote eachother:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Desra

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players. On the plus side if they don't know each other there is a chance they might kill each other. That would go down as the most epic fail play if they did that.

This post does not benefit the town. It tells us what we might want to look for. It also tells the scum. Why point that out at this stage? Instead of say, waiting until it's actually relevant? This warns the scum of what we might be looking for, and how not to play. It's a post that's more beneficial to a scum player than a town one.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Desra

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players. On the plus side if they don't know each other there is a chance they might kill each other. That would go down as the most epic fail play if they did that.

This post does not benefit the town. It tells us what we might want to look for. It also tells the scum. Why point that out at this stage? Instead of say, waiting until it's actually relevant? This warns the scum of what we might be looking for, and how not to play. It's a post that's more beneficial to a scum player than a town one.

Vote shadow


For being a slow fucking reader.

And your wrong that information does help town. Why because Scum has to play that way if they want a shot at winning. Scum already knows that town is looking for them HOW couldn't they (unless they have never heard of mafia or played the fucking game). Telling them how we are going to do it isn't going to change anything. Plus I want the scum to be hesitant to kill because they might hit the other scum. I want scum to want to try to figure out who there symp is so that they can look to him for signals to make sure that they don't kill the other scum. I want scum to have to do that. WHY you ask would I want scum to do that. BECAUSE that is going to give us clues to find the symp and then to find scum or to find scum then find the symp then find the other scum. Town wants clues. Town needs clues.

Then there is meta, motherfucking and whining for modkills.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

Told you so

Not modkilled so I guess I will go back to sticking my dick in your mum ass while I shove a dildo in her pussy.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

A5) Treat everybody else playing with courtesy and respect

Modkill Desra for breaking this rule?

Or just for being a braindead failure of a person, whatever's good.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

A5) Treat everybody else playing with courtesy and respect

Modkill Desra for breaking this rule?

Or just for being a braindead failure of a person, whatever's good.

Asking the mod to modkill me multiple times = suspicious

Laying it on a bit thick aren't you guys? Looks like a symp buddying up to a killer.

Here Shadow asks a question directly to Cast - a later post by Cast makes it clear that his response is in relation to Shadow's question about the HP posts, not Karatallid. The quick dismissal *could* point to HP as a killer.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Also these posts jumped out at me while looking at Kara, just as being a bit unnecessary, and odd.

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

I disagree, he was answering questions, we almost had a conversation going

Until you sent a shadow fax

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Edit: This was aimed at Cast.

Not sure if I see anything there tbh.

[Korlat]

This one's interesting. Cast now accuses Atrahal of being the scum and votes for them.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

I say it's interesting because Cast's original response to Atrahal's post was this:

Cast, on 03 June 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I just read Dr Seuss so this makes perfect sense.
Cast is fast. Fast is Cast.Cast will blast past fast!

Attacks Karatallid. At first I looked at this post as a possible signal - the sentence about only scum will know how someone will CF, almost suggested to me that he was saying, 'I know you're scum Kara, because I'm scum too.' HOWEVER, considering Cast's continued attack and/or pressuring of Karatallid, I think it's safer to assume that I'm reading too much into that, and if Cast is scum, then Kara is probably not.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

As, for example, below, still pushing on Kara.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

This kind of hand wringing and "I knew he was inno" whining always bugs me. The only people that have an inkling of what a cf will be are scum.

he was doing this before SR was lynched

So again, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHO IS INNO ARE SCUM. The symp knows with certainty and the killers obviously know themselves and have some guesses on the rest of the team. That Kara keeps on about this looks like he's trying too hard to look like town.

This post just reinforces that if I believe Cast is the symp, then Karatallid and Atrahal can probably be ruled out as the second killer.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I signed in too late to do anything, but I don't think there was anything new that would have encouraged me to vote Skintick. I didn't like KL's play here, but she did say she wouldn't have much time this week in the sign up. SUCKS THAT YOU LYNCHED THE FUCKING HEALER!

So now we have two lynch trains to compare.

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara
Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

What stands out to me here is that Atrahal starts both trains and Tiam and Kara vote one after the other in both around the middle of the train, again building the momentum. If Tiam were symp and trying to follow Atrahal, that would explain his position in both trains as well as the Shadow case. I need to look closer at Kara and Tiam's interactions.

Hmm, more there about who ISN'T connected to Cast, then who potentially is. The only thing that gave me vibes was maybe the dismissal of questions about Hood's Path, but, being based on a one-liner in one post, it's not exactly concrete.

I still believe that the way Cast acted after Tiam's reveal is pretty dodgy, though I'm no longer as sure as I was before taking a look back through their posts. I strongly suggest we need a breakdown of Shadow's activity as well, but I'd also like further comments on the possibility of Cast as the symp.

[Korlat]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

Are you voting for Shadow on the basis of him being a symp or a killer?

[Shadow]

On your theory that Cast is a symp, Atrahal would seem the most obvious connection. Cast has a potential signal that way and has seemed pretty hung up on him for much of the game, yet he's never really done ever enough that Atrahal has actually been under much pressure, which means I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him as Atrahal's symp on the basis of him pushing Atrahal a bit.

[Korlat]

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

On your theory that Cast is a symp, Atrahal would seem the most obvious connection. Cast has a potential signal that way and has seemed pretty hung up on him for much of the game, yet he's never really done ever enough that Atrahal has actually been under much pressure, which means I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him as Atrahal's symp on the basis of him pushing Atrahal a bit.

I suppose that it's possible, but I do find it less likely following Cast's highlighting of Atrahal's positions on the lynch trains - would a symp put out their master's activity like that for all to see? Anyways, off to bed, and eager for the morrow! (Although, actually, I'll likely be too busy to do more than sporadically check in, sigh).

[Shadow]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

On your theory that Cast is a symp, Atrahal would seem the most obvious connection. Cast has a potential signal that way and has seemed pretty hung up on him for much of the game, yet he's never really done ever enough that Atrahal has actually been under much pressure, which means I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him as Atrahal's symp on the basis of him pushing Atrahal a bit.

I suppose that it's possible, but I do find it less likely following Cast's highlighting of Atrahal's positions on the lynch trains - would a symp put out their master's activity like that for all to see? Anyways, off to bed, and eager for the morrow! (Although, actually, I'll likely be too busy to do more than sporadically check in, sigh).

Meh, hadn't people already pointed out Atrahals position, so it's not like it hurts him, and if he hadn't mentioned it that probably would've drawn more scrutiny. It's hardly had a damning effect on Atrahal, and it was bound to be commented on whether he did or not, so I'm not sure it makes much difference.

[Desra]

I go to all of the trouble of logging in at night and see that you don't need my vote. Well done GH.

See you guys in the morning.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

If GL CF's scum, we'll have the info and can look at anyone who seemed to be symping GL, and who else they were symping.

Also, being too open about what you're doing on thread is useful for us in the event that you do die, but also leaves killers open to manipulating it.

Says the third most scummy person on the thread

I'm hurt.

So we know Tiam targetted Hanas last night (or he said he was going to AND a kill went through, so that rules out Hanas as a killer).


I haven't read much further than this point and I haven't gone back and read who has mentioned GL and who did not want to target those low lying players. So I am going to have a read up before pointing any fingers.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

On your theory that Cast is a symp, Atrahal would seem the most obvious connection. Cast has a potential signal that way and has seemed pretty hung up on him for much of the game, yet he's never really done ever enough that Atrahal has actually been under much pressure, which means I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss him as Atrahal's symp on the basis of him pushing Atrahal a bit.

You seem very dumb. If Cast was the symp then I think his boner for me was because I was advocating the lower poster low lying lynch. Yes, Skintick and Silchas came up town, but one was was roled, therefore trying to hide, and we got one killer from that group too. If they were paired killers I'd be straight after you Shadow because you have acted the opposite to your found partner. As we have no way of knowing how scum have chosen to play this game then going back and reading up like Korlat is doing would be more beneficial for town than you having a running commentary on every future post. I would put you in the symp cataegory to be honest, your making the thread a very messy place indeed.

[Atrahal]

Right, first thing that sticks out to me upon a read through, is how Shadow ignores GL. Shadow likes to respond to every post, yet when GL says Desra and Kara or Shadow could be a killer/symp, Shadow does not respond to it. He posts 3 posts in a row instead replying to others.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

In a perfect world, stating the obvious wouldn't be helpful to town. It'd be redundant and a waste of time. Given our predilection to put such a low value of fellow town's common sense, pointing out the obvious becomes an exercise that may potentially be valuable to town.



Shadow and SR, on one side, you (Desra) and Karat on the other. From where i'm standing, either pair could be a killer/symp combo.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didnt find it scummy

If you outline a plan or say you think someone is suspicious, you also give scum a chance to respond or counter

How is that different?

There was no need for him to outline that plan at that point.

OMG guys, we should look for symping!

Oh, really?

Otoh, pointing out that since the killers aren't connected this game there will be more emphasis on symp could be useful for scum. But not town.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Wait so you are totally ignoring the actual scummyness of players attempting to signal by saying that they have only read a couple of books. Nicely done sir. Nicely ignored.

I pointed out that Kara shouldn't post spoilers in the mafia area.
He said he didn't expect they were spoilers to anyone playing.
Someone else pointed out it would actually be for them.

It's a totally relevant thing to point out, not some stretch to signal. These sorts of cases tend to be flimsy at the best of times, and this one is weaker than most.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

Also, I'm not claiming you're scummy because you pointed out that scum have a chance to kill each other. That's just fluff pretending to be content.

My issue is with this:

"So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players."

Which is useless to post as town, but potentially useful for scum.

Even after this when he goes away and comes back, (after reading up), he replies to everyone but Galayn.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

It's been a very slow day.

Which I find pretty odd given that every time I've been on there have been at least 4/5 anons watching the thread.

Click here

and here



etc etc etc

[Atrahal]

Just quoting this. Galayn posts and Cast posts this. Knowing Galayn is confirmed scum. Casts post here is interesting.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Korlat, on 03 June 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I have to agree with Desra and say that I also find it odd that two people here seem to be saying that they haven't read all the series as yet. And if that really is true, then for shame. For shame!

I still fail to see relevance.

Yes, of the people playing, there aren't many noobs (though personally, anyone who started playing mafia round the time of GH is still a "noob" to me), but being on the board doesnt always equate with reading all the books.

And as a signalling case, I find it to be weak. Desra's grasping at straws, which kinda makes sense on Day 1, but it still doesn't inspire me with confidence.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

My boss is intownso posting will be sporadic unless he spends all day in the conference room. . Let me get caught up

edit... These posts are directly after one and other and Galayn could have caught this.

This post has been edited by Atrahal: 07 June 2013 - 10:10 AM

[Atrahal]

My three posts before Cast votes for me. I make it obvious I do not want places for scum to lie low and hide. This could point at Cast being the symp...

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

For now I am going to



Vote Silchas Ruin



The only content he provided was the joke vote and a few one liners in response to me. Since then he hasn't done anything to engage in conversation. I am not sure where I place Desra and Shadow at the moment. One of them could be a symp muddying the waters. I want to focus on the people that don't want to stand out and coast along.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

People don't want to take the lead as day one we are usually wrong. I am happy with my Silchas vote for now but obviously I am around to try and lynch. I think lynching the lowest poster instead of modkill, or Tholen for whatever crap that post was may be our best choice as time winds down.

Now Cast garners a vote from his "potential" master,,,

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Coast Cast

For providing no meaningful contribution.

If you disagree with a case, you could expand on that more than "I don't see anything there". At least try. Do you think the person is genuinely trying to be helpful, do you think the discussion is useful to have, what?

Do you have any of your own suspicions?

Does he respond?



Yes..

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

He ends up voting me. Now the above post is interesting. Most peope have said that I look like a symp yet Cast says I am trying to look like a symp but am in fact a killer. Is it too obvious, is Shadow a Killer and Cast the symp?

[Atrahal]

Now killers normally have a vested interested in end of day. This is when they would normally communicate off thread. As Shadow would not know GL was a killer he has no problem making him look scummy through lurking, or setting him up for scrutiny later.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

Noteworthy that GL was around.

Galayn Lord, on 04 June 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

vote Ruin

This vote came within seconds of timeout. 10 minute gap from Shadow mentioning Galayn and Galayn voting.

[Atrahal]

I cannot go through every post. Shadow fingers Cast and votes that way. Cast has not mentioned Shadow and avoids pointing fingers that way. Yet throughout the game has pointed towards me. I could definitely see Cast as Shadow's symp and as GL's symp. The post below shows Tiam thinking of Shadow and Cast and I. He could be wrong about all three of us, but I think removing Shadow should be town's clear way forward.

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Ok, done with my reread. So as you can tell, I'm starting to lean Shadow. Here are my reasons summed up:

1 ) There was a potential signalling exchange between Atrahal and Shadow at the very beginning of the game.

2 ) Throughout the game, Shadow has made sweeping statements about the uselessness of people discussing game mechanics, claiming that is a methodology used by scum to communicate. And yet, Shadow does this frequently, even using words like "coordinate," which makes me suspicious that he is trying to accomplish just that.

3 ) Atrahal has for the most part discounted cases on Shadow (particularly during day 1), and on day two gently prods Shadow (distancing?), even dropping the first vote on him. However, first votes are not lethal and often act as a good way to claim, "hey, I'm not linked to that player! I even built a case and voted on him! See see see!"

4 ) Shadow, for all his forcefulness and bluster, doesn't stick with his own cases. He pushes Kara/HP and yet at the same time votes Cast a few posts later. Scum do not care where their votes fall, as long as it isn't on other scum. And even though there is a higher chance of scum hitting one another this game, I'd bet that Cast is low on Shadow's list as potential fellow killer.

These are the big reasons I see Shadow as a potential killer. There are of course other softer reasons (a near train on Shadow failing on day 1, Shadow's willingness to encourage pissing matches), but I feel that the 4 points above are the most solid.

I really wanted to start poking lowposters and rooting out hiding scum within their ranks, but I have convinced myself in my reread that Shadow needs to be lynched to make sure he isn't the other type of scum player, namely a talker.

Remove Vote

Vote Shadow.

[Atrahal]

Killer thinks I am his symp. He has a hard time figuring Shadow out.

Galayn Lord, on 05 June 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

The defence then slowly but surely devolves into a pissing match. I'm not sure I'm buying the case on Shadow, although Atrahal is bugging the hell out of me. Too much being said by him that makes me thing he's a symp.

Skintick's case I could get behind--yeah, he's a low-poster, so am I, but I've at least tried to avoid posting useless crap. He's also made promises of content that never materialized.

Shadow contributes, and he gets people talking (even if said talking usually involves yelling at Shadow). Though his lynch could get us some info, perhaps, he's gotten himself involved in os many antaqgonistic convos I have a hard time figutring him out. I also happen to agree with him about Karat, so there's that.

[Atrahal]

Here Shadow votes HP. Cast immediately votes for me. GL and Cast have a quick interchange. Left it at that, not much more interaction here.

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

HP is currently the third highest poster.

And yet, in terms of content, he has provided very little, and what he has provided has been extremely middle of the road. He has not committed to anything. Most of his interactions that actually have content are just defending himself.

At the same time, he does seem to have a reasonable grasp of the game.

He introduces the idea that Kara seems to be preparing for an inno CF.
He brings up the train as a "pile on" and suggests it may be somewhere to look for scum.
He asks me why he thinks Tiam is so keen on me.

The thing is, he is happy to let others carry these ideas for him.

He appears to be contributing by asking people questions, but mostly they're just re-iterating what the person has already said. Those that aren't are just asking people's opinion on other peoples cases.

He ventures absolutely no opinion of his own.

It's non-commital, middle of the road, coasting play, when he seems to have both the time and the ability to do otherwise.

As well as this, his non-vote of Silchas seems odd. He never seems set on SR as a suspect (or anyone really of course), but doesn't vote him for a lynch when he appears to have been around, and also later pulls up Desra on suggesting the no lynch, and then backs off in a very wishy-washy display.

Remove vote

Vote Hood's Path

I am not entirely set on my vote since I think it is possible he could be a symp (Kara notably, with Desra as a possible partner). However, he has not been hugely involved in trying to direct the thread, and his coasting behaviour makes scum perhaps the stronger possibility.

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

if you think Atrahal is fake-symping Shadow, wouldn't it make far more sense to keep him around to see who he's actually symping?

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:33 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Cast, on 05 June 2013 - 11:59 PM, said:

ok I think i'm finally caught up. I think the problem that I am having with the whole case based on Atrahal signally Shadow is that it is just too neat, and I don't think we are going to get another win as easy as last game. I feel like it has to be false symping, which makes Atrahal either the symp trying to set up distraction for his killers or a killer trying to signal to his symp a possible lynch target. I'm leaning towards him being a killer, since if he were a symp it would just be feeding false info to his own killers.

vote Atrahal.

if you think Atrahal is fake-symping Shadow, wouldn't it make far more sense to keep him around to see who he's actually symping?

underlined since you didn't read my post.

I see... well, it could work. Though I don't see a killer fake-symping anyone, tbh

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Hood, on 06 June 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

Well I have to go and cannot further extend Rainbow time

Because day will almost surely be over before I return

Vote Skintick

for low posting and having multiple votes already, i hate the convenient way, but don't want to leave with no vote

Wise precaution. We are clearly in danger of missing a lynch with 8 hours left on the timer. Thank goodness you are so thoughtful.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

Okay, so day one low posters/coasters. I'm pretty inclined to agree with Tiam's run down here, at least in regards to who he chooses. I'd also add Cast, who I voted for coasting yesterday.

Tiamatha, on 04 June 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Gaylain Lord seems the most "useful" of the low posters, actually providing thoughts and criticisms, but reinforcing the sentiment that the noisy players probably contain a symp/killer pair (which I disagree with obviously)

Tholen and Skintick promised to return with more in a couple to a few hours but have not returned (these would be my top choices for lynch candidates).

Hanas seems to take on the HOIFOY grumbling technique, gruffly saying we should kill off the stupid ones but otherwise not contributing.

Gamelon states he will be a low poster, answers a question and disappears. This is also very suspicious imho.

So, looking at Tiam, GL, Tholen, Cast, Hanas, Skintick, and Gamelon.

Tiam is the most dramatic content change by a long way, and has also been rather keen on going for low posters from the start (and skintick particularly...it's kind of weird to me that he's getting picked up a lot more than Gamelon).

Skintick and Gamelon really have nothing to get a read on.

GL and Tholen have both been pretty consistent about providing a good amount of content. Tholen does pick up, since he was absent most of day 1, but since he arrived has been consistent. If GL or Tholen was scum, I don't think they'd have felt much pressure to pick up the posting, since the content they posted meant they weren't getting as much heat as other low posters.

I think that if Skintick was scum, he'd have made the effort to low post less. Gamelon has had remarkably little heat for his low posting.

Cast has seemed a bit more involved today, going for a couple of people, though his case on Atrahal is the same as yesterday's.

Hanas is similar to Cast, except hasn't really seemed to pick up the involvement. Maybe a little.

I actually quite like Korlats case on Hanas, as far as it goes. Skintick is more annoying, and it's play that should be discouraged more as town, but I feel someone like Hanas or Cast is more likely to be scum.

I cannot think Cast is the killer in the situation because Shadow has voted for him and mentioned him a few times. I also think Shadow could very well be the killer because the reverse isn't true. Cast has ignored most of Shadows accusations. If Cast is the symp then HP could also be the killer with his vote on me after Shadow voting for HP.

[Shadow]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Does he respond?



Yes..

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

So reading back through the posts of Desra and Shadow, they were both vocal, but I couldn't say that one is Symping the other yet.
This post though,is such blatant false symping, that I think it has to be misdirection.

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 11:40 AM, said:

Fax. Shadow Fax. Faxed Shadow. Max Ammo.



See what I did there?

I don't see a reason for the symp to confuse the killers,so more like a killer trying to hide.
Vote Atrahal

He ends up voting me. Now the above post is interesting. Most peope have said that I look like a symp yet Cast says I am trying to look like a symp but am in fact a killer. Is it too obvious, is Shadow a Killer and Cast the symp?

This is a nice piece of selective quoting, since you make it look like Casts response to my post is to vote you, when he actually separately responded to my post. Not the most major difference ever. I still voted him, he still voted you. Just a subtle twist.