[Tiamatha]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

If GL CF's scum, we'll have the info and can look at anyone who seemed to be symping GL, and who else they were symping.

Also, being too open about what you're doing on thread is useful for us in the event that you do die, but also leaves killers open to manipulating it.

Says the third most scummy person on the thread

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

If GL CF's scum, we'll have the info and can look at anyone who seemed to be symping GL, and who else they were symping.

Also, being too open about what you're doing on thread is useful for us in the event that you do die, but also leaves killers open to manipulating it.

Says the third most scummy person on the thread

I'm hurt.

[Tiamatha]

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

Shadow, on 06 June 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

If GL CF's scum, we'll have the info and can look at anyone who seemed to be symping GL, and who else they were symping.

Also, being too open about what you're doing on thread is useful for us in the event that you do die, but also leaves killers open to manipulating it.

Says the third most scummy person on the thread

I'm hurt.

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[Shadow]

[Path-Shaper]

Well diddley dee, potatoes!
The Irish man did say.
I guarded him,
There was no kill,
He must be scum, ole Gay.
You hung him high,
You laid him low,
And when the smoke did clear
You celebrated the luckiest lynch
You fags have had all year.

Galayn Lord has been lynched, he was filthy, unforgivable scum. Oh, and his name is Mentalist

[Shadow]

Fuck yeah. Good job Tiam.

[Path-Shaper]

You wake in a sweat.
You had a nightmare, that's all.
The whole town shared it.

Tiamatha is dead. He was the guard and Gust Hubb.

It is day 4. 36 hours remaining.
10 players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen.

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

Players not voted: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 06 June 2013 - 11:39 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Bitches love Haikus. Now be good while I get hammered.

[Hood's Path]

That poem was a beauty

[Cast]

Sorry I"ve been gone, I had to go to a graduation dinner.

I'll be damned. Sorry Gusty, you just SEEM so scummy!

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

[Korlat]

Fucking awesome work Gusty, rest in peace my friend! The guards have been sniffing out the scum like nobody's business the last couple games!

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sorry I"ve been gone, I had to go to a graduation dinner.

I'll be damned. Sorry Gusty, you just SEEM so scummy!

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

I don't think so. Hanas is presumably CI or at least VPI I reckon because Tiam made it clear that they would be a guarded - but a kill went through nonetheless. Much to my chagrin, I no longer really suspect Hanas.

But this post does lead nicely into what I've just been thinking. Hold on two ticks...

[Karatallid]

Yay, good job Gusty, and later Ment, you filthy scumbag!

[Korlat]

Shadow is probably the person to instinctively look at for the symp role, because they asked for the lynch to slow down, and more than that because they have been posting like mad and putting their fingers into all the pies, so to speak, and even more than that because Tiam suspected them.

But I don't think so. I think the symp could be Cast. Look at these two posts below.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think rushing a lynch doesn't help town any in this instance. I'd like to hear back from GL and see if we get a counter.

Much more so than what Shadow was saying, that first post smells of desperation to stop/stall the lynch and have us look elsewhere, naming several people and throwing mud at Tiam's name, so to speak. I must admit, it certainly made me worry if Tiam was on the right track, whether there were variables which they hadn't considered before revealing. I believed Tiam's reveal, but I did worry that there was a possibility that they had jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The second post now, knowing Galayn's CF, looks to me like someone who is hoping their scum master can pull something out of their ass.

Thoughts?

[Shadow]

Ok, having a quick look over thread to look for possible candidates as symping GL. He wasn't under very much pressure though, so there's very in the way of anyone defending him, or much interaction at all.


There are a couple of things like here, Tholen doesn't mind GL voting to get a lynch but does mind other people doing it:

Tholen, on 05 June 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

@ Tholen - so you don't think when Shadow said GL was lurking, then he pops up (as quoted previously by others) to vote that he was lurking, it was merely coincidence?

I can't help but think scum is right in that group


also, I agree about Kara's post

I don't know if he was lurking or not and I'm not gonna sit here and defend him. My main point was that I found the votes by Skintick, Shadow and Hanas to be MORE scummy than a deadline hammer. As far as I'm concerned that hammer helped town move on and didn't send us to a wasted day of discussing if we should lynch Silchas.

Similarly, this is Tiam pointing out that Cast missed GL from his train analysis:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 02:42 PM, said:

I would like to point out that GL was on both lynches as well, though it is not shown on Day 1 due to a MM bug. GL was the hammer.

But tbh, I find it a stretch to call any of it really sympage. GL didn't have many interactions with people to look at, and with no obvious signals I think it's pretty likely the symp isn't playing it that way.

[Shadow]

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

This doesn't really make sense, given Tiams guard.

[Shadow]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

I don't think so. Hanas is presumably CI or at least VPI I reckon because Tiam made it clear that they would be a guarded - but a kill went through nonetheless.

Or, not a killer anyhow.

Still don't like the night vote.

[Korlat]

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

I don't think so. Hanas is presumably CI or at least VPI I reckon because Tiam made it clear that they would be a guarded - but a kill went through nonetheless.

Or, not a killer anyhow.

Still don't like the night vote.

That's true. I'm caught up in thinking about Cast as the symp, and failed to consider that. So not CI, but not the killer either. I'm just looking through Cast's posts now.

[Shadow]

Korlat, on 07 June 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Shadow is probably the person to instinctively look at for the symp role, because they asked for the lynch to slow down, and more than that because they have been posting like mad and putting their fingers into all the pies, so to speak, and even more than that because Tiam suspected them.

But I don't think so. I think the symp could be Cast. Look at these two posts below.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I find GL a very odd choice for day 1 since he wasn't under suspicion. We must all be über super genius mafia players if we are able to identify the killers on the first day TWO GAMES IN A ROW!
And Tiam says we can lynch him if he's wrong like a martyr willing to fall on the sword! Only then it might be too late. I'm not at all surprised that Kara and Atrahal fell right in behind Tiam either!
I'll be happy to vote one of those 3.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think rushing a lynch doesn't help town any in this instance. I'd like to hear back from GL and see if we get a counter.

Much more so than what Shadow was saying, that first post smells of desperation to stop/stall the lynch and have us look elsewhere, naming several people and throwing mud at Tiam's name, so to speak. I must admit, it certainly made me worry if Tiam was on the right track, whether there were variables which they hadn't considered before revealing. I believed Tiam's reveal, but I did worry that there was a possibility that they had jumped to the wrong conclusion.

The second post now, knowing Galayn's CF, looks to me like someone who is hoping their scum master can pull something out of their ass.

Thoughts?

The posts you bring up would make me think Cast is a killer more than a symp.

You're right about the first one, it's not really the way reveals are normally treated.

But for the second, symp waiting to see if his master can pull something out seems unlikely, because reveals don't really work like that. Besides which, if he's the symp and wants a scum counter reveal, that would kind of be his job. A master wanting the symp to counter is possible though. Honestly though, waiting to see if anyone is going to counter reveal is a standard test of a reveal. I'd say there's more to the first post than the second.

[Cast]

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

This doesn't really make sense, given Tiams guard.

I read the end of the thread, GLs lynch plus Tiam getting NKd first, then read up.

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

[Shadow]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

I told people speed lynch was unnecessary and that I would rather wait...For exactly the same reasons you claim to hold.

Edit: Apart from the not believing Tiam part, I made it pretty clear why I felt the reveal was likely true.

This post has been edited by Shadow: 07 June 2013 - 12:48 AM