[Cast]

gm

I see that no one followed my vote on Atrahal which may be telling. I was rather curious if someone would.

[Atrahal]

Day 3 Pre Reveal.

• Cast says they would not have voted Skintick.
• Says it sucks that "you" lynched the healer.
• Then compares lynch trains. Second time does not mention no night kills, like they want to avoid that discussion altogether.
• Points out that I am first to vote and that both Tiam and Kara are on the trains.
• Thinks Tiam may be the symp.
• I ask Cast why she is on neither train
• She says she wants to lynch but doesn't agree with cases so far. So she won't vote to lynch even just to get the lynch. I wonder why she is so hesitant. The only ones that should be scared of lynching at this stage is the killer in case they hit their partner or symp. This sort of behaviour is why I think Cast may have witheld their Kill until they were sure of who is who.
• Cast has suspicions for Tiam, Kara and myself.
• Again says that she thinks Tiam is a symp,

Now three or four more posts later Hanas votes night in reply to Galayn. I think he is trying to signal both killers who are on thread at this time.

• Galayn votes for me so he doesn't see me as his potential partner. Similar to how Cast is voting and the way she thinks.
• Kara is confused about the no night kills and discusses it with Tiam and I.
• Hanas replies to Galayn with a night vote. He also says this reminds him of the all symp game.
• Kara wonders why Killers would abstain.
• Tiam votes Hanas
• Kara argues with me.
• Kara speculates on killers night actions.

So this is up to the guard reveal.

People have had suspcions on Cast but no one has really looked over her play properly. I think she is the final killer.

[Atrahal]

Day 3 Post reveal

• Atrahal and Kara vote for GL
• Korlat says GL has to be lynched today
• Cast finds GL an odd choice to be gaurded day one
• says she is happy to vote tiam, atrahal or kara
• Korlat agrees tgat GL was a weird choice
• discuss reasons with tiam. What I like about korlat here is that he asks why Tiam made case on day 2 against shadow and atrahal. It shows that he (korlat) is thinking for town and not rushing into things.
• Cast would like to hear back from GL to see if there is a counter
• Gl has 4 votes and Hanas jumps aboard here.
• Korlat and Cast are both not on this lynch either.

We'll see what they say day 4. I bet Casts will sound familiar.

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Sorry I"ve been gone, I had to go to a graduation dinner.

I'll be damned. Sorry Gusty, you just SEEM so scummy!

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

sorry i've been gone, =insert excuse= bla bla bla

When she says let me get caught up she goes back and effectively PI's Hanas. She uses that, she says Hanas is PI.

Cast is the remaining Killer. How certain am I? Do I need to go on?

Okay so before they have to convince us that they are town this is the first three game days of this game. Cast and Korlat have not been on one succesful train so far. Korlat seems to provide a lot of insight and make his own thoughts known, interacts with almost everybody. Same with Kara, Kara has been involved and also been on every train which goes in his favour. Cast has had blinkers on the whole game, focusing on Shadow, Atrahal, Kara and Tiam.


I've seen enough and I am running out of time.

Vote Cast

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

I realize what it looks like, but my resistance to Tiam was based on these three things:

1) GL seemed like a very odd choice for a day 1 guard. I would have picked Atrahal, Kara or Shadow.
2) I've been burned by false reveals before.
3) The odds of a day 1 guard finding a killer 2 games in a row seemed out of whack.

If you still think that I look scummy then lynch me, move on and you can still safely lynch Shadow or whomever else before the weekend freeze.

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

I would say to just lynch me and move forward, but I'm not scum or symp, so if you try and view my cf as a symp when I turn up is RI then you're going to end up going down the wrong path. The reason why I told Shadow that I didn't see anything on the two posts of HP was because they looked pretty random and innocuous. It's possible he's a coaster.

[Atrahal]

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

OK, I have a drs appointment so won't be on for a couple hours.

She got a bit of heat, got a little woe is me.

So my turn around came from this, she disappeared. When the heat picked up. Poof!

[Atrahal]

Sorry after these two posts. Looking below she looked like she had time over the weekend and did not want it to go to freeze. That should give her time to go over the thread then and see who she finds scummy yes? no?

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Desra, on 07 June 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I hate being referred to as He.

I shall now refer to you as an it. So that I am not gender bias.

Why not assume that I am She? I find it interesting that Mafia always calls everyone a generic "He". I think She would be much more amusing and appropriate for many of our players.

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Remove vote



Plenty of time to discuss things. I am assuming weekend freeze Miss PS?

Its mister right now you young whippersnapper. Liz didn't mention a Freeze to me but if its something you guys want then its something I'll do at the end of this day. Since its early on Friday and the day is already half over it makes no sense to freeze now in my opinion.

Epic crosspost.

No freeze! Play through the weekend!

[Atrahal]

Hanas, on 08 June 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Well, Silchas is pretty close to a low poster. He's got 9 posts, only 5 of which actually have content. The rest are just condemning me for being French Canadian.

Yes, I know this is day 1 shit. But I have an odd sense of humor and this amuses me.
You think it's bad that you're being targeted because you're French Canadian? I've got people targeting me because Liz is German.

Hanas, on 08 June 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Shadow, on 08 June 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 08 June 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Well, Silchas is pretty close to a low poster. He's got 9 posts, only 5 of which actually have content. The rest are just condemning me for being French Canadian.

Yes, I know this is day 1 shit. But I have an odd sense of humor and this amuses me.
You think it's bad that you're being targeted because you're French Canadian? I've got people targeting me because Liz is German.

Other than that neither of you have really had heat for either of those things...Funny thing to bring up.

You failed the test to move up to moron didn't you?

Hanas, on 09 June 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Shadow, on 09 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Yeah, I definitely didn't notice that when choosing the word funny instead of something else

You do realize that that little exchange is going to do nothing to change our places on everyone else's scum list, right?

Speaking of Fräuleins and scum lists: Atrahal, can Gamelon come out and play? You promised he would if we'd just wait for weekend.

[Atrahal]

After we gave Cast a bit of heat, Hanas makes a case and tries to focus on Gamelon and Atrahal

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 AM, said:

Korlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Back to Atrahal-Gamelon. Seems to put faith in Tiam's deduction skills, possibly feeling there might be an ally there?

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 05 June 2013 - 07:14 PM, said:

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Would you care to speculate on how the coordination took place? Just when I was thinking you might not be scum.

Via signal presumably. Would be worth checking back to see if there is anything that didn't look suspect at the time that could suggest something like that. Dunno, just throwing possibilities out there really and it's one of them. Dunno what's scummy about it tbh?

I'm hesitant to jump on the possibility of roled players being successful, because it's a risky thing to put weight on for town, and there are other possibilities.

Yeah, agree with Hanas here. Shadow looks like he is coordinating, again...

I was pointing out that his "coordinated withhold" was a load of bollocks. And that made me re-think his place in mental who is what file.

Tia, as long as you're looking at Atrahal go back and look at the Atrahal/Gamelon exchange. I'm probably seeing things, but...
Posts 130-136

Outlines the Atrahal-Gamelon suspicion, but explains that he, 'doesn't really know why' it bothers him. I would suggest because 1) you're fixating on it because you're the one who brought up fraulein in the first place; and 2) it's very weak.

Hanas, on 05 June 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

Hood, on 05 June 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

@ Hanas - what were you thinking about the exchange w/ Gam & Atrahal?

This.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 04 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 04 June 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

Just Tholen and Venesara yet to post. I was about to mention you Gamelon. What do you think of the day so far?

I think Desra should learn some new threat, Isn't "when I become a mod, ..." some kind of Meta?
I also think that Shadow is a little obnoxious.
Also learned a new word: "fraulein"

Have you ever watched "The sound of music"?

Nope.

Ah, that is what Maria is. Fraulein Maria. I admit, I did not know until after I watched this film.

And I don't really know why it bothers me. But I get a signaling vibe.

And yes, I am the person who used "fräulein". Lizadrus lives in Germany.

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?

As I said, like an HP mini-me. Same sort of style, but in fewer posts, and a suspicion of Atra-Gamelon which is pushed very lightly, as if almost looking for someone else to leap on and run with it.

The reason I felt this was all worthy of notice is because it's so un-noteworthy. Very middle of the road and nothing for anyone to sink their teeth into - a few posts now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint.

I still find that Atrahal - Gamelon exchange a bit 'off'. And still not certain why. But GL voted Atrahal for ass kissing Gamelon. Which sorta lets Atrahal slide a bit down the list seeing as how GL turned out to be a killer.
@Korlat - is an "HP Mimi-me" a good thing or a bad thing? And I may have "now and again are hints at efforts toward individual independent thought and action, but never go beyond that hint." Put on my gravestone. Damned with faintest of praise indeed!

[Atrahal]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

... except that there were a couple of people who said they'd be low posting the first part of the week....
Gamelon and Atrahal discussing the sound of music twitched a bit. But if you look for a signal, you'll find one whether it exists or not.

Since both of those people have passed on, I see no reason to continue letting Gamelon slide. Besides, he has literally asked for it.
Vote Gamelon

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 03:43 AM, said:

Shadow, on 10 June 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Tbh, if we're gonna waste a lynch on Game, because he isn't actually playing the game, and he's inno, I'd rather he was modkilled for playing against his own team.

It's ridiculous we should have to lynch someone off for having not played for a week

Edit:

My point is, it seems a pointless lynch. I mean, someone just not playing is surely not a player issue?

You appeal to the mod for a "modkill for cause". Until then or until somebody makes a damn good case against somebody else, I'm voting him.
After my weekend reading, I'm more suspicious of a couple people and less of some others. Getting rid of Gamelon on the off chance he's is a lying sack of shit seems to me the best use of this day.

I think we shifted focus to HP and put Cast down as a symp which I think was a mistake, because we focused that way. Cast is agreeable with Hanas

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Back, but getting ready for work. I honestly didn't get a chance to do a reread over the weekend, since I ended up having to work ALL weekend.
@Hanas, I agree that there could be something there between Atrahal and Gamelon. I would like to see what others think.
@ Atrahal and Korlat do you see a case for HP without my being symp? I see him as a coaster, but knowing that I'm not the symp makes any case based on that kind of flimsy from my point of view.

At this stage things may have gone differently if we went after Cast.

[Atrahal]

So what is strange is Cast's play here. She has been disagreeable with me all game. She has not joined in any of the lynches or voted along with anyone else. Yet..

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP

[Atrahal]

I realise Cast hasn't disappeared. It was sometime later. I must be coming up to that part.

[Atrahal]

I'll be back in a few hours, hopefully to contine but time is winding down and if we do not decide a lynch then scum win anyway.

My top 3

Cast then Korlat then Kara

Although Korlat has come across as town with his analysis and discussion he hasn't really committed to any cause. Yet I place him behind Cast in killer territory. Kara has shot up to most likely town and I'm not changing my mind on that. 8 pages of notes i have just written based on these three players.

[Korlat]

I'm here, will start looking over Atrahal now.

[Korlat]

Heh, all we need is for me to vote for Karatallid and for Karatallid to vote for Hanas, and we'd have completely dead-ended ourselves

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 13 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Heh, all we need is for me to vote for Karatallid and for Karatallid to vote for Hanas, and we'd have completely dead-ended ourselves

Do you disagree with my assessment. I find it rather enlightening to be honest.

[Korlat]

Atrahal, on 13 June 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Korlat, on 13 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Heh, all we need is for me to vote for Karatallid and for Karatallid to vote for Hanas, and we'd have completely dead-ended ourselves

Do you disagree with my assessment. I find it rather enlightening to be honest.

I'll let you know after I finish reading over your posts - 260+, you bastard. I can see why you've reached the conclusion on Cast, but I want to see if it is an 'honest' conclusion. Me agreeing and going along with you on Cast would mean that I have been wrong for a great deal of this game and in effect protecting Cast by casting (ho ho) them as a symp - and is a big reason why even when I did my process of elimination earlier I was still hesitant to drop a vote. I admit it's a possibility (strong possibility?), but I'd like to think I haven't been a complete moron.

[Cast]

@Korlat

The reason why I dropped my vote on Atrahal last night was because:

1) I do find his voting patterns scummy
2) False symping of shadow as I said in the beginning of the game. I think that made Shadow seem much more scummy to the rest of us than if Atrahal hadn't lead off the game with his whole "Shadow fax" nonsense
3) If Kara were scum, I think he would have immediately brought Atrahal to L1.
4) Hanas that crackheaded fucktard hasn't voted him, and I think Hanas has acted decidedly symplike.

It's the best that I've got, but I think that Atrahal is most likely scum.