[Atrahal]

I'm back in the morning

[Korlat]

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Sorry Korlat but I have this retarded case I have to reply to, once I have done that maybe Kara will see how much his ideas stink this game and actually may want to contribute towards finding scum.

Seriously though we are going to need one of Kara, Cast and Hanas to vote our way. The problem I have with this is that..

Kara's single mindedness points to him being the killer because he is not willing to look elsewhere yet the last few days I have had less and less of a killer vibe from him. Hanas not voting his way is huge in my opinion. Hanas pointed fingers at Cast yesterday and last night opens a lot of wifom.

Cast being absent goes in their favour because it is a shitty thing for scum to do at this crucial stage. That means our remaining town, Cast who will be needed for the lynch is not around.

That is probably why i'd vote Hanas today because I think kara may accept him as a choice and I think you'd vote that way too. Yet he cannot be the killer, and is most probably the symp.

Yet that would lead the way for us to vote Kara or Cast tomorrow.

I didn't vote for Kara because of Korlat. He made me re-think my position on Kara. But when he did his summary on me, he took 3 comments out of context and spun them as connections to Kara. If he did that to me, what did he spin on Kara?

You were one of the people I was looking to see if I could link to both Galayn and Karatallid (the other primary one being Cast). I posted anything that I saw with a possibility of a connection, no matter how tenuous (and I even stated that parts were tenuous), so that others could have a look for themselves and hopefully comment on it, either supporting it or ridiculing it. Either way it gives me a better idea on the strength of my analysis, the opinion of you amongst others, where other players stand and what their responses might say about them, and also what your own responses might say about you. You know, that whole mafia thing I have no doubt that even if you do indeed turn out to be the symp, connected to those two players, that some of the possible conclusions in my analysis would still be wrong. Because, unfortunately, I'm not a mind reader. But, as I just said, putting all my thoughts on potential links out there still serves various purposes.

[Korlat]

Karatallid, on 12 June 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Well, if we're gonna just throw our votes out willy-nilly, Atrahal, then I might as well just vote for you.

vote Atrahal


If you're not scum, then scum must be sitting back laughing their asses off.

My personal opinion is that we probably hit the symp already, but I guess we shall see if there's a sudden pile-on to either of us.

Why do you think we hit the symp already? And who do you think it was then? I'm genuinely curious, because part of me is starting to feel the same way.

[Karatallid]

Its more gut feeling than anything. Just with all the throwing around of accusations we have been doing, everyone seems to have been accused of being the symp.

If I had to choose for possible symp I would say Shadow or maybe Desra, but he has just as much chance as anyone for being the symp.

That being said, I am playing as if the symp is still around as it would be dangerous to do otherwise today.

[Atrahal]

If cast doesn't done up with her own analysis by tomorrow them I'm voting that way.

[Atrahal]

Goodnight

[Hanas]

Atrahal, on 12 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

If cast doesn't done up with her own analysis by tomorrow them I'm voting that way.

I could almost go her way simply for the excuse she gave.

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I think Kara's obsession with Shadow PIs him.
I think Atrahal is too fucking stupid to be scum.
I think Cast's miraculous re-appearance is very interesting. Just moved her to the top of my list.

Miraculous? I got an email from ps saying I was about to be modkilled. I'm still pretty sick and my head is pounding, so I'm not in the mood to debate, but I don't want town to lose from my not voting. At the moment I'm leaning towards either Atrahal or Kara.

We're supposed to believe that she's well enough to check email, but too sick for mafia? Really?

That is a huge error imo.

[Cast]

Atrahal, on 12 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Sorry Korlat but I have this retarded case I have to reply to, once I have done that maybe Kara will see how much his ideas stink this game and actually may want to contribute towards finding scum.

Seriously though we are going to need one of Kara, Cast and Hanas to vote our way. The problem I have with this is that..

Kara's single mindedness points to him being the killer because he is not willing to look elsewhere yet the last few days I have had less and less of a killer vibe from him. Hanas not voting his way is huge in my opinion. Hanas pointed fingers at Cast yesterday and last night opens a lot of wifom.

Cast being absent goes in their favour because it is a shitty thing for scum to do at this crucial stage. That means our remaining town, Cast who will be needed for the lynch is not around.

That is probably why i'd vote Hanas today because I think kara may accept him as a choice and I think you'd vote that way too. Yet he cannot be the killer, and is most probably the symp.

Yet that would lead the way for us to vote Kara or Cast tomorrow.

How can you call me one of the remaining members in town in one breath, then talk of voting me in the next? If you can see me as town then it makes no sense to vote me on D-Day.

[Cast]

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

If cast doesn't done up with her own analysis by tomorrow them I'm voting that way.

I could almost go her way simply for the excuse she gave.

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I think Kara's obsession with Shadow PIs him.
I think Atrahal is too fucking stupid to be scum.
I think Cast's miraculous re-appearance is very interesting. Just moved her to the top of my list.

Miraculous? I got an email from ps saying I was about to be modkilled. I'm still pretty sick and my head is pounding, so I'm not in the mood to debate, but I don't want town to lose from my not voting. At the moment I'm leaning towards either Atrahal or Kara.

We're supposed to believe that she's well enough to check email, but too sick for mafia? Really?

That is a huge error imo.

Come here and let me cough on you.

[Hanas]

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

How can you call me one of the remaining members in town in one breath, then talk of voting me in the next? If you can see me as town then it makes no sense to vote me on D-Day.

Holy cross post Batman.

[Cast]

So what do you think of Atrahal and Kara Hanas?

[Hanas]

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

If cast doesn't done up with her own analysis by tomorrow them I'm voting that way.

I could almost go her way simply for the excuse she gave.

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

I think Kara's obsession with Shadow PIs him.
I think Atrahal is too fucking stupid to be scum.
I think Cast's miraculous re-appearance is very interesting. Just moved her to the top of my list.

Miraculous? I got an email from ps saying I was about to be modkilled. I'm still pretty sick and my head is pounding, so I'm not in the mood to debate, but I don't want town to lose from my not voting. At the moment I'm leaning towards either Atrahal or Kara.

We're supposed to believe that she's well enough to check email, but too sick for mafia? Really?

That is a huge error imo.

Come here and let me cough on you.

Hell, that's the best offer I've had in a while.

[Hanas]

Cast, on 12 June 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

So what do you think of Atrahal and Kara Hanas?

I vacillate on that (yeah, yeah, save it for SH). I've done so since day 3 started. I 'think' they're both inno. But they have both gone out of their way to give the opposite impression on occasion.

Atrahal by saying some really stupid shit. Good example is the one you just pointed out.

I keep getting stuck on Kara's near obsession with Shadow. Especially when I voted Shadow, Kara immediately dropped his vote so Shadow wouldn't be at L-1, but immediately put his vote back on when I changed mine.

But if they're both inno, that makes it you and/or Korlat.

Korlat's reply to my accusation of strawmanning me is just smug. Which I find vote worthy in and of itself.

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Town needs to stop picking pointless easy votes, and start focussing on interactions. I still want to lynch you, but think Kara or Tiam may be good lynches. I lean more towards Kara as I think Tiam is symp.

I like what you said then. And I still like it.

I'm very damn tempted to just lay a vote on Korlat and go do something else.

[Korlat]

Ok, I'm going to put here everyone's reasons for voting for the person who was eventually lynched on each day (if they did indeed vote for them). Doing such a thing is of course incomplete, as it doesn't show any of the other votes which people cast over the course of the game, so please bear that in mind. I did, however, want to see what the various reasonings were, see if there's any pattern to be spotted. I've also included any vote removals from the final lynch choice. I'm also going to include the final lynch-trains for each day (I know those have been re-posted before, but I wanted them hear for ease of viewing for myself).

Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

For now I am going to



Vote Silchas Ruin



The only content he provided was the joke vote and a few one liners in response to me. Since then he hasn't done anything to engage in conversation. I am not sure where I place Desra and Shadow at the moment. One of them could be a symp muddying the waters. I want to focus on the people that don't want to stand out and coast along.

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Vote Skintick



I am done with low posting coasters. we can form an opinion about everyone else but guys like this make end game when they should have been gone early doors. I would hate for him to be a scum winner.

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Remove vote



You healed Desra? Any reason for that?

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Remove Vote



Vote Gay Lord



Test the reveal. Only, say the killers did abstain from killing for just this reason. I thought of it way back when, start of day one. If I was a killer i'd not kill until I had identified my partner. I also thought that if the guard revealed then the healer could just keep on healing him. Also if he revealed and someone counter revealed then we would have the symp or killer lynched as well as the guard. 1 scum for one roled town. I don't know, I believe you but you could be the symp sowing confusion, IF THIS IS THE CASE I SAY DO NOT COUNTER REVEAL GUARD.


What a mess.



It's too early to tell so I just pray Galayn Lord comes up scum.

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

Cast, on 07 June 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Shadow, on 07 June 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Well since I was totally wrong, I'm good with Hanas or Shadow since those were two of Tiam/Gusty's picks. Let me get caught up.

This doesn't really make sense, given Tiams guard.

I read the end of the thread, GLs lynch plus Tiam getting NKd first, then read up.

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Done. Targeting you.

If you are the guard (which I believe) and if GL is one of the killers (which I think is likely given the timing of his Day 1 Silchas vote) you'll probably die tonight if you guard me.

*Shrug*

Well this is a test in my mind too. If I am wrong in my suspicion of you, my next guess is Shadow, and might as well say that now before the night just in case tomorrow never comes for me.

Well, now that I've caught up, it looks pretty good that Hanas is PI. While I made it clear that I didn't believe Tiam, I also wanted to see if there was a counter or if GL had some earth shattering defense. Shadow has spent the last several hours scrambling.

vote Shadow

Cast trying to PI Hanas.

Okay so my top contenders from scum so far yp to and including page 16.



HP, Cast, Hanas. I believe an absolute minimum of 1 of these is scum. I am going to



Vote HP



I think either him or Cast is the killer. Hanas as a possible. symp.

Cast:

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

I just feel like I am spitting out the same posts. It's the replies, the interactions, the case by shadow that cast dismisses, the hike in activity from HP once Shadow does this, the vote from Cast whilst ignoring HP. Cast and HP are linked heavily. Hanas is non existant early on, ie until his vote night reply to GL he was not that much scummy.

Well obviously I can't vote HP based on my being a symp if I'm town!

Now Tiam suspected Shadow, and your pushing an HP lynch could be seen as just as sympish.

remove vote

Vote HP

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

I think Shadow is most likely scum and Atrahal his symp, based on Atrahal's signaling and Shadow's scrambling during the GL lynch.

vote Shadow

[Korlat]

Hanas:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 04 June 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

I've seen the WIFOM shit too often. However, I'd rather keep playing than die obviously.

I'd rather not go through again.
Vote Silchas Ruin

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

GL is a good call. And I'm RI fwiw. Tia, you'd be wise to target your next most likely killer.
Vote GL

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

For a lynch.
Vote HP

Hanas, on 11 June 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 June 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Look at the positioning of Hanas and Shadow in those lynches, day one one after the other, day two both off the train, day three one after the other

Oh Jesus Christ. Now you're going to look at timing in a game with no off thread comms.

I am not scum.Vote Shadow

Hanas, on 11 June 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Damn. That killed conversation. Let's try it this way.
Remove Vote
Vote Hanas

Hanas, on 11 June 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Hanas, on 12 June 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Shadow

Karatallid:

Karatallid, on 04 June 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Given that it seems many people are keen on going the low-poster route this game, and given that it ties into my case on Shadow anyway, I will

remove vote
vote Silchas Ruin

I understand the merit of leaving the chatty players around, as they will give us more information to work with later. Day 1 is a perfect day for a low poster lynch. Historically, we rarely hit scum on Day 1 anyway, so if the low poster ends up not being scum, then we can move on. Plus, as I said, I think that it's possible that Silchas was symping Shadow. It's a given that if this is the case, Silchas will obviously show as town, so we won't get much more information, but I'd certainly like to see a lynch today, and if the Shadow lynch won't take off, then Silchas seems a good second choice to me.

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM, said:

Korlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?

And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.

Ugh, idiots.
I have very specific timeframes in which to play, and didn't have any spare time at the beginning of the week. I'm not low posting for shits and giggles, numbnuts.

At the very least don't lynch me until the end of the day, so I can have a sodding chance to contribute.

This, to me, reeks of desperation. "Hey, give me a little bit longer, I'll figure out a way to make you think I'm not scum." I'm being a bit hyperbolic, true, but come on...

vote Skintick

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Oooh, reveals are always fun! It would certainly be cool if GL ended up being a killer, and lucky for Tiam for having chosen him to guard!

vote Galayn Lord

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Welp, my opinion has not changed based on those CFs, so...

vote Shadow


Also, had no idea that HP was HO. Well done on not doing the fly-by posting shit you usually do HO!

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

remove vote

Too early in the day to be at L-1 I think.

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

vote Shadow

[Korlat]

Korlat (just so I don't miss anyone out ):

Korlat, on 10 June 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

I have to go. I should be able to check in on my phone up to the timeout though. I think we have about three and a half hours. For me, it's between HP, Shadow, Tholen and Desra. The first two because there are cases with some merit, though not near enough to make me feel comfortable. The latter two because from my reading of the game thus far I can't rule them out as killers, and both have somewhat disappeared from view ever since either of them got any heat. I will

Vote Hood's Path

as I haven't been un-convinced of my argument for Cast as a symp, and that is the closest person I could find to a connection as killer.

Having said that, Cast's vote on HP is a real worry (nice move Cast, you bastard ). Desperate ploy upon seeing their master looking like one of the lynch choices for today? Or just trying to prove they're not symping them? Although I would say a better use of your time would have been trying to come up with the person who you do think is the killer, rather than lynching someone to try and prove your own innocence (not that it would even do that).

@ Cast:

What are your suspicions then? Who have you been looking at, and why?

Lynch trains:

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

She: What is it?
He: I have no idea.
She: I don't like it.
He: Yes.
She: It is ...
He: Let's better leave.


It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining

15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara


Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

I've edited the one below because PS didn't provide a final lynch train:

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 23 hours and 14 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hanas ( Galayn Lord )
7 Votes for Galayn Lord ( Tiamatha, Atrahal, Karatallid, Tholen, Hanas, Shadow, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Korlat

Galayn Lord is dead, he was scum.

Path-Shaper, on 10 June 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

On the gallows, there hangs a string
and on the string I swing and swing.

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 53 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
6 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen, Hanas )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )

Players not voted: Gamelon

Hood's Path is dead. He was HO and RI.

Gamelon was modkilled for inactivity. He was EM and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 12 June 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Day 5 is over

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Shadow ( Cast, Karatallid, Hanas, Tholen )
3 Votes for Karatallid ( Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow )

Players not voted:

Shadow is dead. He was Grief and RI.

[Hanas]

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

Aaaannnd cue lynch!

Tholen, on 06 June 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

I think you are L-2 not L-1. Ok, gonna read your statement.

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:

Hahaha statement. Are you a police officer perchance?

Tholen, on 06 June 2013 - 06:59 AM, said:

Nice try.

vote Skintick

Tholen, on 06 June 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

Going to bed. I'll be back in 8 hrs.

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:

Here, I checked the thread last night before bed, now i'm back. How long do we have left?

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

Skintick did you code this in anywhere?

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

Dead

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Reading up yesterday I feel that Shadow is defending himself too much, why?



Looking back I have been mentioned quite a few times as a possible symp, if this leads to a Shadow lynch and he is scum then I am happy with people thinking I am a symp and would gladly be lynched but I do not think a symp would be so blatant as to point a finger in his masters direction. Another reason for it to be impossible for me to be the symp is because I have not been around towards day end, day one I miss the last 8 hours of the day or so. Today I have missed everything from leaving work yesterday to waking up this morning. You'd think that a symp would pay more attention and actually you know symp.


As to someone saying I have lead both trains, how? I voted Silchas first and I didn't push the case at all. Today I voted Skintick which I felt warranted the vote. If he gets lynched it is because of his retarded play. Good job of getting the whole thread to dislike you by the way.

I am playing with town interests at heart and will continue to do so, if I get lynched fine, but I don't want to be labelled as a potential symp when I am not. Lynch Shadow fine, he comes up scum, lynch me, I'm happy with that. Yet do not lynch Shadow for thinking I am his symp, i'd lynch him for his constant defense. I really believe one of Desra or Shadow is the symp. Way to keep focus on Shadow if that is all he is doing.



As to Skintick, should I remove my vote? I obviously do not want to lynch the healer, but I also do not want the real healer to counter reveal, if Skintick is lying.

Skintick, on 06 June 2013 - 07:54 AM, said:

Dead man talking...

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 08:05 AM, said:

Remove vote



You healed Desra? Any reason for that?

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

An hour left by my count, I am here and will vote if we think the lynch is inevitable. Anyone else around?

Since Atrahal pitched the Skintick lynch as important, I thought it only fair to point out how he handled it. Poorly would be understating. It really took him over an hour to notice that Tholen's vote was the hammer?

KL edited her posts at 4:30 or so. I'd love to know what those two posts said originally.

[Korlat]

That took me way longer than I thought it would to dig those up. Gonna take a short break then come back and try to do some analysis.

[Korlat]

Alright so we have:

Silchas Ruin lynch: Atrahal (1st), Hanas (7th, second-last), and Karatallid (3rd) are there. I am on Shadow, and Cast has gone for Atrahal.


Atrahal's is a 'coasting' vote, i.e. a low-poster vote. Hanas votes to get the lynch. Karatallid votes Silchas for possibly being Shadow's symp, and because Shadow wasn't going to be lynched.


Skintick lynch: Atrahal (1st) and Karatallid (5th) are there. No vote from myself or Hanas. Cast is once again on Atrahal.

Atrahal's is a low-poster vote again, as with their vote on Silchas. Atrahal actually removes his vote from Skintick, but it's too late as Tholen has already hammered. Atrahal seems/claims (depending on your viewpoint of Atrahal) to realise only later that he was too late. Karatallid is near the middle of the train again (on the latter side of the middle this time), reasoning being that Skintick is just stalling for time. Which is kind of what they were doing, but for townie reasons


Galayn Lord lynch: We've got Atrahal (2nd, first after Tiam's reveal), Hanas (5th), and Karatallid (3rd) all on the only successful lynch. Myself and Cast did not vote.

All three vote in order to test the reveal. Atrahal makes some suspicious or wary noises about Tiam's reveal, Kara expresses excitement, and I had to giggle at Hanas' comment. Good advice!
As this was the only successful lynch thus far, it's worth seeing why Cast and myself weren't on the lynch train. I was around near the time of Tiam's reveal, but had to rush off with no idea of when I was coming back. My vote would have put Galayn on L-2 or L-1, and some people were asking for further voting to be held off until Galayn got back to respond. Cast was around also, and expressed doubt in no uncertain terms about Tiam's reveal.


Hood's Path lynch: Atrahal (1st), Cast (3rd), Hanas (6th, hammer), and myself (4th) were all on this one. Karatallid was the only absentee, voting for Shadow instead.

Atrahal votes Hood's Path after reading through the thread, and says it was between him, Cast and Hanas. Doesn't give more details than that in the actual vote post (not sure if elsewhere? Haven't checked). Cast votes for HP to prove that they're not symping HP, Hanas votes HP to get the lynch, same as with Silchas. I vote for HP because I thought I saw a connection with Cast, who I felt was the symp.


Shadow lynch: Cast (2nd), Hanas (3rd), and Karatallid (1st) form this lynch alongside Tholen. Atrahal and I are voting for Karatallid.

Lots of vote removals here, so PS' lynch post doesn't show the 'true' order. Karatallid voted first, saying that the previous CFs didn't affect his ongoing suspicion of Shadow. He removes his vote when Hanas comes on, because that put Shadow on L-1 'too early'. Places again after Hanas removes. Cast votes Shadow for the reasons in Karatallid's case, though not citing Kara's case. Hanas votes Shadow to prove that they're not symping Shadow, much like Cast's vote on HP, then votes themselves to again I think try and prove they're not the symp, and then finally goes back on Shadow, saying that my post seeing if they could be connected to Karatallid swayed them.



So...what does this experiment potentially show us? The first thing that sticks out is there is a lot of pretty unsolid voting going on. Taking out the Galayn lynch, which obviously didn't need more reason than to test the reveal, we have a fair few low-poster votes, get the lynch votes, and the 'I'm not connected to this guy!' votes. The first two would not be such a big deal if it could be shown that those voters had formerly gone with their own cases, found no traction, and therefore switched because of that. But somehow I feel that was often not the case. The last one I don't like as a reason, because it's a self-preservation vote, which is more often than not a scum trait - or at least, that's whose trait it *should* be, but then it doesn't always prove that way.

Atrahal is either first or second on every single train. His reasoning, despite the number of posts, is too often on the simple/lazy end of the scale. Two for being low posters, one test the reveal, and one with apparent reasoning behind it, though not really explained in the vote post (perhaps elsewhere?). In my experience the early voting more often indicates townie, buuut not always. I can think of a couple of examples from previous games of scum repeatedly starting lynch trains. Atrahal does seem eager to show where he stands outside of his voting, and expresses his opinion on everyone often - even if that opinion changes from post to post ( ). If he is the killer, he is not a type normally seen in our games, is my point I guess.

His pattern is also a warning sign about the danger of this sort of analysis, unfortunately. It would be untrue to say that Atrahal hasn't put in a lot of content, and yet from just his voting that doesn't appear to be the case. So everything here should be considered alongside what else everyone here has said (duh).

Cast has an 'I'm not connected!' vote, and a vote on Shadow with short reasoning. Although they don't say, the reasoning essentially amounts to Karatallid's case on Shadow and Atrahal. This vote seemed very quickly thrown down after the previous lynch, and I would like to hear more from Cast about why they decided on that. The vote on HP I've already explained why I don't like the reasoning behind, whether it comes from self-preservation or just frustration. At the same time, I think several people, myself included, were voting HP because of a seeming connection with Cast (and through them, to Galayn), so Cast couldn't very well vote for that reasoning. Perhaps a bit of a Catch-22 then for them. I'm uncertain about this now, and I would like to hear what others' think of Cast's voting.

Hanas has two get the lynch votes, one test the reveal, and one 'I'm not his symp'. Hanas will doubtless disagree with my analysis (actually, I encourage it, we need more talking), but wherever their contribution lies, it is not in their vote reasoning. Hanas is 7th of 8, 5th of 7, 6th of 6, and 3rd of 4 on the lynch trains, so always at the latter end. In other words, he waits until the train forms definitively (even on the Shadow lynch. Although that was closely run with Karatallid, Hanas voted Shadow to bring him to L-1 the first time before the votes on Karatallid). Perhaps I am doing an injustice to Hanas, and once again I (or, you know, perhaps someone else?) need to run through his posts to see what he does when he's not voting. But I do not like this voting.

Karatallid has reasoning and even cases behind two of their votes (well, case singular really, as essentially both votes are about seeing Shadow as a killer), one test the reveal, and a vote on Skintick which just seems impatient to lynch (or would you say I'm being unkind?). Kara does remove from Shadow when Hanas puts them on L-1, but I don't really understand the reasoning. Kara, from what they're saying, appears convinced that Shadow will be a killer, and further makes no attempt to look elsewhere. So what does it matter to Kara at what point Shadow goes to L-1, if you're just looking for their lynch anyway? Kara is 3rd, 5th, 3rd, and 1st, so normally at the earlier end of a train, which I think would more be seen as a point in their favour. That Shadow vote removal still strikes me as odd, though.

[Korlat]

So basically, the scummiest looking person from this is the one who is by far the least likely to be the killer! Hanas, if you truly turn out to be not scum in any shape or form, then you need to think about the way you've been playing this game. Yeah, yeah, I know that sounds preachy and patronising, but I don't think anyone here will disagree with me on that assessment. And if you are scum, then I guess you can disregard those sentences at least

I have reservations about Atrahal's voting which I have not noticed before and that gives me pause. But taking into account his non-vote posting efforts and outright visibility, I have trouble believing that Atrahal is a killer (symp clouding the thread? Everybody's a symp in this game it feels like to me). Even so, I want to hear again from Kara, Cast and Hanas if seeing this changes anything for you about Atrahal.


That would leave Kara or Cast as the killer then.