[Kessobahn]

Caught up. This is about where I started my catch-up and Aranatha's post perfectly sums up how I thought the game was going. Basically Craptastic for town.

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I would like to search/ lynch in a different direction than the names being thrown around right now Eloth/ Nimander.
I definately don't want to lynch Sheltatha today.


The reason being, I don't expect scum to play as loose as Eloth has done, nor as confused as Tennes has been. Nimander is odd, could be sympish, but I don't see a recruiter playing like that - too vital a role to risk losing to someone who's getting really pissed off and making an omgus case plus 1-3 jumping on the bandwagon. The Shelly lynch was almost like that. The scum Timelord I expect to behave like a symp, NG could be that.

Anyway, all three are basically begging to be offed on a day on which we have no real clues. They start to raise a little bit of frustration across the board by going against simple standards for town play, and faulty town play is a heaven for scum. Not only is it likely to culminate into a town lynch, it also presents scum with the chance to be holier-than-thou and build their image as a useful townie - without it requiring to take a stance that can backfire on them later.

So, I expect the recruiter to play very restrained, almost strict by the rules.

The thread had a rythm and a flow to it like other games. One that favored scum, as we had taken 2 RI's out and didn't have any real concrete leads. Then... votes start to pile on Nimander and the TL weirdness starts. The thread breaks into chaos, there is a reveal and we are off on a tangent and discussing 3 things at once.

Why would scum want to disrupt the thread if things were going there way? Something changed and it's obviously the Nimander voting.

remove vote


vote Nimander


Also, I assume TL time bending is finite. Seems like a waste of time to keep switching someone's vote when they are on thread and able to replace it immediately? But, who knows, they could have a stockpile of time.

[Eloth]

checking in. need to read up better since i'm high on the lists.
But frst, the reason i think Shelly is a problem for us: Scum VC is simple majority. They don't have to kill anyone. They simply have to hide their recruiter long enough for us to lynch our way to defeat. Correct?

[Kessobahn]

Regarding the Karosis reveal; I believe it.

For one, no one has counterclaimed guard. 1 scum >1 town guard. We know there is a town guard out there, he would definitely counter claim and sacrifice himself to remove one of the 2 scum. No one has done that. This leads me to believe he is actually the town guard.

Second, if you believe he is the town guard because of what I stated above, then as town you have to believe he is telling the truth about KNOWING his guard blocked an action. Hence we know Eloth is roled.

Now the turd in the punch bowl is that there are more townies with roles than scum. So the chances he hit a roled town are better than him hitting a roled scum.

Probably a premature ejac on his reveal, but it's already happened and now we have to go with it.

[Kessobahn]

oh, Eloth popped. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say.

[Eloth]

Eloth said:

1369931140[/url]' post='1058861']
checking in. need to read up better since i'm high on the lists.
But frst, the reason i think Shelly is a problem for us: Scum VC is simple majority. They don't have to kill anyone. They simply have to hide their recruiter long enough for us to lynch our way to defeat. Correct?

I din't want to lynch Shelly anymore. Others are standing out.
But Shelly the incident is bad. Lynch an RI, bring him back, end day w/o a lynch. Perfect recruit candidate

[Kessobahn]

The reveal on Eloth does shine a new light on his behavior yesterday though, it looks like he is pushing a lynch on a non roled, non recruited townie.

[Eloth]

Kessobahn said:

1369931355[/url]' post='1058863']
oh, Eloth popped. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Caffeine. Nicotine. More caffeine.

[Tulas Shorn]

Eloth, on 30 May 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Eloth said:

1369931140[/url]' post='1058861']
checking in. need to read up better since i'm high on the lists.
But frst, the reason i think Shelly is a problem for us: Scum VC is simple majority. They don't have to kill anyone. They simply have to hide their recruiter long enough for us to lynch our way to defeat. Correct?

I din't want to lynch Shelly anymore. Others are standing out.
But Shelly the incident is bad. Lynch an RI, bring him back, end day w/o a lynch. Perfect recruit candidate

Doesn't make much sense to me. What would be the point, as Shelly would only be considered PI for one day - and today they have hardly tried to sway influence one way or the other.

In any case, I think you have other issues to deal with

[Tennes]

Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

[Kessobahn]

Tennes, on 30 May 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

Then why no counter reveal from the real guard? Trading a guard for one of 2 scum is a great trade for town. Doesn't make sense.

[Tennes]

Kessobahn, on 30 May 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 May 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

Then why no counter reveal from the real guard? Trading a guard for one of 2 scum is a great trade for town. Doesn't make sense.

Maybe they are waiting on Eloth.

[Eloth]

Basic mafia: you have to test the reveal.
Vote Karosis

[Eloth]

Kessobahn said:

1369931985[/url]' post='1058876']

Tennes said:

1369931736[/url]' post='1058872']
Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

Then why no counter reveal from the real guard? Trading a guard for one of 2 scum is a great trade for town. Doesn't make sense.

But the counter-reveal would itself be contentious. Again, scum don't have to do anything but hide their recruiter to win.

[Tulas Shorn]

Eloth, on 30 May 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

Basic mafia: you have to test the reveal.
Vote Karosis

Nothing to say for yourself?

Nothing to say about the situation which led up to it?

I think that you need to start responding in more than single sentence posts. Leaving aside testing the reveal, do you believe Karosis' reveal at the moment? A little more insight from you would be helpful.

[Aranatha]

Tennes, on 30 May 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 May 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 May 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

Then why no counter reveal from the real guard? Trading a guard for one of 2 scum is a great trade for town. Doesn't make sense.

Maybe they are waiting on Eloth.

Who just voted Karosis without commenting on anything himself.

Remove vote
Vote Eloth


and with that, I am gone.

[Sheltatha Lore]

I want Nimander lynched more than I want Karo lynched. Because honestly, Karosis went batshit crazy when Nimander started getting some serious heat...
Basic mafia logic
Of course, I think Eloth is highly suspicious and I don't know what to think of Karo...

[Tulas Shorn]

Eloth, on 30 May 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Kessobahn said:

1369931985[/url]' post='1058876']

Tennes said:

1369931736[/url]' post='1058872']
Ok, I have read up. I don't buy the Karosis reveal. He wasn't under enough heat to reveal an important role like that on day 2.

vote Karosis

Then why no counter reveal from the real guard? Trading a guard for one of 2 scum is a great trade for town. Doesn't make sense.

But the counter-reveal would itself be contentious. Again, scum don't have to do anything but hide their recruiter to win.

A counter-reveal would at least make us certain of voting for Karosis to test the reveal. Without a counter-reveal, I for one am more certain of the continuous vote removal on Karosis being designed to take attention away from elsewhere - namely, Nimander.

[Aranatha]

As an explanation: Eloth willfully skipped over anything he's accused of.
Now, I don't think roled town would do that. Instead, I will go with the assumption he is scum, in which case, there's a 50% chance he's the recruiter.
I'm willing to risk that.

[Omtose]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Also another thing to consider is Omtose's play. He's posted less than 20 times this game, don't know the exact number but its really low, but has sat on both Shelly's train and mine.

Omtose, on 30 May 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Hello thread. I see there's some people casting aspersions upon my good name. Seems pretty weak frankly. I don't read thoroughly? Perhaps that's true. If I thought I needed to defend myself I would try to make an effort but my internet cut out this afternoon and though I got it back it's become very intermittent. For now I'll trust level heads to prevail and will log in from the library as soon as I can get there tomorrow.

"Doesn't read good", blames internet connection for not defending/posting, self proclaims "good name" and tries to inspire feeling of trust by implying that if we don't we are not "level headed". Subliminal implications and outsourcing blame.

Vote Nimander Golit

And since I see my vote was erased again
vote Karosis

More implying. To shift attention onto a low poster. Also the timeshift stuff looks like it's trying to distract from the votes on Nimander to get votes to switch to Karosis. Looks like it is working.

[Eloth]

Karosis said:

1369924353[/url]' post='1058753']
I think Nimander or Eloth should be lynched today. I know for a fact Eloth has a role, if we lynch him and he comes back recruiter we will only need to find TL as my guard was succesful, if he is something else then Town TL can bring him back and we will have a PI tomorrow.

The time shifting started when Nimander voted Karosis. Then Merrid tried. Then Karosis popped up with the guard reveal. I would have voted Nimander based upon what I think was fishing for info. That's irrelevant now.
Karosis revealed guard. And a TL spent a couple of hours removing votes from him. So I think we have to test him. If I'm wrong and he really is a guard, our TL can bring him back or not.