[Karosis]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

I guarded Eloth last night and it was succesful.

Care to comment Eloth?

Hence my initial vote.

Not to be a cynic, but in a game in which there is one guard, how is every guard not successful? In my book, successful essentially means: "your guard was not guarded".
Were you explicitly informed you guarded someone who had an ability?

because the mafia 97 version of the role says nothing of the like.

Quote

Guards<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">You are ________, the Guard. You are a member of ______, the Timelord's court.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">Every day, you may provide a target who will be guarded during the next day cycle. (Nights are instant, so be sure to provide your target during the day). If your target is a Timelord, he will be unable to use his time manipulation abilities during the following day cycle.

And if you are the guard and if you did get confirmation of guarding another roled player, how sure are you that you didn't guard the vig, or the undisclosed role, but scum?

Well I don't know Eloth is scum. I am putting what I know with what information I have. I know he tried an action last night. Why would the vig use his vig? I don't know what the undisclosed role is. The only person who would definitely want to do an action last night would be the recruiter. Combine that with Eloth's play yesterday and his accusations today I really do think he is recruiter.


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Vote karosis



Good plan merrid.



That leaves a free night of recruitment though.

[Aranatha]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

[Aranatha]

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

I guarded Eloth last night and it was succesful.

Care to comment Eloth?

Hence my initial vote.

Not to be a cynic, but in a game in which there is one guard, how is every guard not successful? In my book, successful essentially means: "your guard was not guarded".
Were you explicitly informed you guarded someone who had an ability?

because the mafia 97 version of the role says nothing of the like.

Quote

Guards<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">You are ________, the Guard. You are a member of ______, the Timelord's court.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">Every day, you may provide a target who will be guarded during the next day cycle. (Nights are instant, so be sure to provide your target during the day). If your target is a Timelord, he will be unable to use his time manipulation abilities during the following day cycle.

And if you are the guard and if you did get confirmation of guarding another roled player, how sure are you that you didn't guard the vig, or the undisclosed role, but scum?

Well I don't know Eloth is scum. I am putting what I know with what information I have. I know he tried an action last night. Why would the vig use his vig? I don't know what the undisclosed role is. The only person who would definitely want to do an action last night would be the recruiter. Combine that with Eloth's play yesterday and his accusations today I really do think he is recruiter.


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Vote karosis



Good plan merrid.



That leaves a free night of recruitment though.

How do you KNOW he tried an action?

[Karosis]

I'll have to ask PS. He said I cannot quote PM's. I just know he did try an action.

[Aranatha]

Because I want to be absolutely sure we won't lynch you in Merrid's plan, see you as the guard, then lynch Eloth and find out he was at best a recruited RI, thus wasting 2 lynches, because you just got confirmation that your guard was successfully proceeded by the mods.

[Aranatha]

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

I'll have to ask PS. He said I cannot quote PM's. I just know he did try an action.

Forgive me if I do an anticipatory double facepalm, while watching the screen through my fingers.

[Nimander Golit]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

I don't think he had to be protecting Eloth at all. Maybe he's trying to distance himself for when he CFs scum but mostly I think he's just panicking. Which is something we've seen before from roles. In this game however, we have the unique ability to revive townies when they are regrettably lynched. And so, with this level of panic I think its most likely that he's somebody who we won't revive.

[Karosis]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

Because I want to be absolutely sure we won't lynch you in Merrid's plan, see you as the guard, then lynch Eloth and find out he was at best a recruited RI, thus wasting 2 lynches, because you just got confirmation that your guard was successfully proceeded by the mods.

I know for a fact. i can't put it any more blunt than that.

[Karosis]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

I don't think he had to be protecting Eloth at all. Maybe he's trying to distance himself for when he CFs scum but mostly I think he's just panicking. Which is something we've seen before from roles. In this game however, we have the unique ability to revive townies when they are regrettably lynched. And so, with this level of panic I think its most likely that he's somebody who we won't revive.

Hence my self vote? yeah right. Jog on hippy.

[Aranatha]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

I don't think he had to be protecting Eloth at all. Maybe he's trying to distance himself for when he CFs scum but mostly I think he's just panicking. Which is something we've seen before from roles. In this game however, we have the unique ability to revive townies when they are regrettably lynched. And so, with this level of panic I think its most likely that he's somebody who we won't revive.

But why would he panic to begin with? You and Eloth are clearly ahead of him in suspicion for most.

[Nimander Golit]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

I don't think he had to be protecting Eloth at all. Maybe he's trying to distance himself for when he CFs scum but mostly I think he's just panicking. Which is something we've seen before from roles. In this game however, we have the unique ability to revive townies when they are regrettably lynched. And so, with this level of panic I think its most likely that he's somebody who we won't revive.

But why would he panic to begin with? You and Eloth are clearly ahead of him in suspicion for most.

Its not the first time we've seen a premature implosion. M45 is back after all...

[Merrid]

Sorry to be so slow, quote tags bugging the hell out of me.

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Not to be a cynic, but in a game in which there is one guard, how is every guard not successful? In my book, successful essentially means: "your guard was not guarded".
Were you explicitly informed you guarded someone who had an ability?

because the mafia 97 version of the role says nothing of the like.

Actually, it has this to say:

Path-Shaper, on 31 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 31 January 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Clarification please: My guard only works on timelords? So a "successful" means that that person is a TL? Or are there circumstances which would show me a "successful" guard on a person who was not a TL?

Path-Shaper, on 31 January 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Considering your guard is a day action, and that it guards day actions....

To clarify - a guard can guard a guard, so when they are told that their guard is successful, they are either guarding a Timelord or a Guard (couldn't make it THAT easy). However, I think there's enough information on thread for them to deduce it themselves, so the above is as much information as I will give to anyone who asks.

And

Path-Shaper, on 05 February 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Final thoughts from Emurlahn (I know I'm like a few days late with this, but I'm catching up!!)

Path-Shaper, on 01 February 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

You have been guarded, therefore your Guard on Osseric is blocked.

Emurlahn, on 01 February 2013 - 01:19 AM, said:

Guard Galain

Path-Shaper, on 01 February 2013 - 05:28 AM, said:

Your guard was not succesful.

[Karosis]

I'm out. Hopefully back later.

[Tulas Shorn]

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

The only person who would definitely want to do an action last night would be the recruiter.

This is a really dumb thing to say, unless you are party to way more information than the rest of us. You say this like it's a fact, when you, if you really are just the guard, cannot possibly know for certain. We do not know what Wednesday's role is, and we do not know what the undisclosed 15th role is. That's two roles which could potentially put in NAs, ON TOP of the vig! Not to mention that Aranatha also makes a good point about what constitutes a successful guard.


I'm tempted to believe that you really are the guard, but unless Eloth does turn out to be scum, you've only succeeding in revealing two roled players to the scum.

[Nimander Golit]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Karosis, on 30 May 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hi, I'm in the library now. Had a test that I'd forgotten about, gonna build a quote case on Karosis now but after this I almost don't need to. Obvious scum trying the old fake reveal trick.

vote Karosis

Right now I am glad I am voting you.

Of course you are. You moving onto me changed the trains from 2 eloth 3 me to 1 eloth 4 me making me the easy choice. Then you create WIFOM by making sure that we spend hours discussing if a real TL would actually be this obvious about erasing votes. But clearly since this if Mafia 102 we know by now that all the sneaky stuff has been done and is expected, thus the scum will hide in plain sight, so CLEARLY! You're scum.

Now look at it this way.
If he is moving the votes, he is the TL. That means that his attempt to shift stuff on you is because he is protecting Eloth: he himself didn't get a whole lot of heat, maybe third likeliest lynch. But... drumroll - he says Eloth is the guy he guarded. So, who the fuck is he protecting?

Your scenario thus does not add up.

I don't think he had to be protecting Eloth at all. Maybe he's trying to distance himself for when he CFs scum but mostly I think he's just panicking. Which is something we've seen before from roles. In this game however, we have the unique ability to revive townies when they are regrettably lynched. And so, with this level of panic I think its most likely that he's somebody who we won't revive.

But why would he panic to begin with? You and Eloth are clearly ahead of him in suspicion for most.

And I just thought of something else. Why would he fake reveal guard? He could fake anything he wants and King Sunday would probably be most plausible since we've seen time manipulation relating to him. But he chose guard. Maybe he was guarded last night and is panicking because he thinks someone knows he has a role. Hell, maybe he's the recruiter and he didn't get to recruit last night. My bet is still on TL but either way I think its clear that he's panicking for a reason.

[Aranatha]

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

examples.

Weeeeeelllllllllll. Interesting. But that's not in the role description.

[Merrid]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

examples.

Weeeeeelllllllllll. Interesting. But that's not in the role description.

It wasn't in the last TL games role description either.

[Aranatha]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

And I just thought of something else. Why would he fake reveal guard? He could fake anything he wants and King Sunday would probably be most plausible since we've seen time manipulation relating to him. But he chose guard. Maybe he was guarded last night and is panicking because he thinks someone knows he has a role. Hell, maybe he's the recruiter and he didn't get to recruit last night. My bet is still on TL but either way I think its clear that he's panicking for a reason.

Blahblahblahblah. Listen, if he is a scum role, he won't fake reveal because I'd say that one of their roles is easily worth the counter-reveal of our equivalent.
Instead, he'd claim ignorant RI. So that makes him a scum recruit at best who wants to out the guard.
But if you want to out the guard, why self vote?

And if a recruit, then why the fuck is the time swap around him happening?
Because whomever is doing that, is having a shitload of time invested in submitting all those PMs.


So, none of your explanations is particularly plausible, and I think you're driving a lynch here because you're afraid of being lynched yourself, something we also witnessed quite a bit.

[Aranatha]

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

examples.

Weeeeeelllllllllll. Interesting. But that's not in the role description.

It wasn't in the last TL games role description either.

aye, that's the one I cited.



Urgh. I hate it when roles have unlisted boons/hindrances/effects.

[Aranatha]

What a damned clusterfuck.
I just want the vote below recorded, as I believe we will need to lynch Karosis dead, both for proof he is the Guard, and to prevent scum from recruiting him.


vote Nimander Golit.