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Mafia 102 Game Thread Timelords 2: The Rebellion

#361 User is offline   Karosis 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

    First off I don't mind voting for Nimander for his calmness. For not defending himself.
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Vote Nimander

He hasn't defended himself at all, and talked about town roles. Let me go check on something..





Now all of these people spoke of roles before Nimander.






View PostTennes, on 28 May 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:


So you know a recruiter already? You must have a good role!



View PostSheltatha Lore, on 28 May 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

I think their recruiting mechanic would be once a night. Because they don't have the traditional NK of scum, they should have something that removes one town every night so that they won't be too weak and this game won't take forever.
Of course that would be OP if used against a normal town, so we have some town roles...
I mean other alternatives are not really acceptable are they? if the recruit action was once every two nights then the scum team would have been the weaker team during night and that is just silly.



View PostTulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

I agree on once per night recruitment ability being likely. There may be other mitigating factors, though - such as some roles potentially taking longer/more than one attempt to recruit? This game strikes me as one which very much needs careful mod/creator balancing in order to work properly, otherwise one or the other side could become OP way too easily.



View PostAranatha, on 28 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

As Shelly says, and as I quoted before as well. Furthermore, we have a vig, a guard and an undisclosed role.
All specifics on what the Timelords do can be found on page 2 or so of the subforum in (I think) the spoiler thread for mafia 97.

Honestly, this is just facepalm territory.



View PostTulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

I really don't think the scum TL could kill. Leaving aside the fact that the roles (aside from the one undisclosed town role) have been named, it wouldn't make any sense to give them an NK ability. The scum winning conditions are to gain a majority, NOT kill town. As I said earlier, they seem more like a cult than standard scum.



View PostKessobahn, on 28 May 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

All caught up. I think it's dangerous to make the assumption that the scum faction can't kill. That being said, we only have to wait till a few nights pass to find out. Personally, I don't think that they will have the kill ability as a scum that can move time, has NK's and a partner who recruits... well, that seems a bit over powered for a vig, guard, TL and 1-2 unspecified roles to combat.


These are all about roles in some way. The discussion was there so I don't think discussing roles is a bad thing. Town and scum roles were both discussd and it gives us a clearer head when we are looking for things. That being said I'd still like to see what Nimander has to say. So i'm leaving my vote there for now.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:21 PM

It is Day 2. 15 hours 14 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:34 PM

Alright. First off, good morning. Second, since my lack of a defense seems to have provoked so many of you, I didn't defend myself earlier because there was no case on me. Sorrit singled me out from the day 1 role discussion and decided that since I'd been skimming too much I must be scum. Well I hope you all recognize how ridiculous that all is. I'm surprised none of you have said anything about Karosis. Look at the last cluster of his posts. He goes from defending me and attacking Eloth to attacking me the second I have a couple votes down. I'll work on prepping a real case while I'm in class and if it doesn't go up then I'll be at the library in 90 minutes. Meanwhile:
vote Karosis

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

Time has been moved back.

It is Day 2. 15 hours 29 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

Time has been moved forward.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 29 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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#366 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:49 PM

View PostSorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

Evidence to back up my vote (excuse redundancy for emphasis):

View PostNimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

View PostAranatha, on 28 May 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

View PostSheltatha Lore, on 28 May 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

I'm back! You'll all be pleased to know that I found a big investor for my mint chocolate licorice business. Be on the lookout for Heavenly Cords™ to hit the market Q2 next year. And now I shall go and catch up.

Dude you are soooooooo funny!

I know :thumbsup:

So if I'm reading correctly we have 5 pages of discussion over the Timelord role which we shouldn't even need since we've trod this ground before, and a burgeoning pissing match between SL and Kar. Am I up to date or did I miss something?

Personally I'm interested in what the 4th town role could be. Healer or finder seems most likely to me.

Healer makes no sense, unless scum has a kill. Otherwise, it is just there to neutralize the vig in case he gets recruited, and what are the odds that the healer then picks the right guy to heal at the right night?
Finder is perhaps a tiny bit OP as town has a both a vig + a guard, both of whom team excellently with a finder. I wouldn't count on it.

Good point about the healer. I take it you assume the High Court have off thread comms?


Asking about town roles is a big no no. This caught my attention and started my suspicion.

View PostNimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:


Why thank you for clarifying your position in a level headed and concise manner. See Eloth, this is why I like to ask people questions. You usually get these nice things called answers which help you to formulate opinions. Sometimes you even get slip ups which are convenient ways of identifying scum. Maybe next time you want to make unnecessarily harsh statements you'll remember that it is only through promoting discussion that we identify scum.


Defending his town-role hunt, he sounds like he's doing damage control, even turning his mistake back on those calling him out (he does this later when his town-role hunt was brought up again).

View PostNimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore


And this is what makes me think that there is something behind this scummy behavior. Nimander is being a little careless, such as saying he read up when obviously he didn't (or at least didn't read up well) and then hammering before thinking. He tries to act like a thoughtful townie, but really doesn't do much for town, even asking some questions that are counter productive.

High poster, but not much that is overtly helpful (also, as a side note, remember his accusations over Tennes contradicting himself when really it was Nimander's own reading prowess that was the problem).

Ok, out for now.

Found this post again while looking for Karosis quotes. Sorrit blatantly strawmans me here, first claiming I was "defending role discussion" and then saying I accused Tennes of something. In the jibe I made at Eloth I'm referencing his pointlessly antagonistic comment where he called me obtuse. The role discussion had at that point been left far behind. And I don't understand why the Tennes thing was such a big deal. I asked him to clarify a post he made that I thought was strange. Even if I had sought to make it a big deal it was day one and worse cases than that have gotten people lynched. Anyhow, just wanted to point this out and now I'm back to Karosis quotes.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:50 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 30 May 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Time has been moved forward.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 29 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

I voted for Karosis.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostNimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 30 May 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Time has been moved forward.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 29 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

I voted for Karosis.


We are in a new timeline, your vote was lost in the time stream.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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#369 User is offline   Nimander Golit 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 30 May 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 30 May 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Time has been moved forward.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 29 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

I voted for Karosis.


We are in a new timeline, your vote was lost in the time stream.

On a move forward? Strange...

vote Karosis

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:56 PM

View PostNimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

On a move forward? Strange...

vote Karosis


You'll notice time was moved back first.


It is Day 2. 14 hours 18 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )
1 vote Karosis ( Nimander Golit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 30 May 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

View PostNimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

On a move forward? Strange...

vote Karosis


You'll notice time was moved back first.


It is Day 2. 14 hours 18 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )
1 vote Karosis ( Nimander Golit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

I did not.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

Time was moved back.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 23 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

Time was moved forward.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 13 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:12 PM

In the interests of seeing how much time whichever TL it is that doesn't like Nimanders vote for Karosis is willing to spend...

Vote Karosis

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

Time has been moved back.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 14 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:18 PM

Vote Karosis

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

Ha!

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:22 PM

Ha ha this is quite funny.



Although I don't know where they are going with it.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

Time has been moved back.

It is Day 2. 14 hours 15 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
4 votes Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore, Omtose, Karosis )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

Well I figure you're either the scum TL or the scum TL is trying to frame you.

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