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Oh good, saves me from having to blame you.

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Night Action from Tennes:

Tennes, on 28 May 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

Guard in this order:

Nimander
Ay
Sheltatha

During the night or during the following day?

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Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Can I move time back to a previous day, or is there a limit (aside from my time reserves) on how far back I can go?

You can move time back or forward as much as your stockpile will allow. This includes going back into a previous day.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Awesomesauce.


Can reversing time to a previous day also reverse an overnight recruitment?

Guess you will have to try it to find out, huh?

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 May 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Awesomesauce.


Can reversing time to a previous day also reverse an overnight recruitment?

Guess you will have to try it to find out, huh?

In other words, you're thinking of modifying your rules? I will indeed have to try, but I guess I can already assume that the answer will be no.

Not all, the rules is the rules. You can infer what you can from your Role PM, but aside from the mistake I made with Gnaw's role, which was fixed very quickly, there are and will be no changes. I know the answer to your question, but you'll need to figure it out yourself!


For the record - recruits CAN be reversed by Timelords.

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Rebels:

Karosis, on 28 May 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Shelly says no night kills, then calls me retard. At least two other prior ask why there are no night kills. Then Shelly says that I'm setting him up cause there might be night kills. he's going back on his word. Tennes is agreeable with me. I'd suggest you call him on changing his mind after being aggressive. That is why post looks odd.

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

If Ay Estos isn't Khell then I'm never wasting time trying to alt people ever again.

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Not sure if I was a little too harsh on Eloth in that post, but Jesus H Christ riding a flying monkey, I refuse to sit passively by and allow level headed discussion to be written off by some douche bag who doesn't appreciate the pull and prod.

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King/Queen:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Hmm, the vigilante last game was a night killer - so I may not actually be able to reverse that. I wonder if it's been changed for this game or if there really is some other way to kill people in this game?

I will get back to you on the timeframes and codewords, in the next somethingish hours (soon!).

I'd suggest asking. I think you can rewind to previous day.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Ah, you mean you'll receive PMs FROM PS to the target, awesome. That is definitely potentially useful.

But now you have to decide whether you want to target someone you think might be recruited, OR someone who might be scum.

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Ah, you mean you'll receive PMs FROM PS to the target, awesome. That is definitely potentially useful.

But now you have to decide whether you want to target someone you think might be recruited, OR someone who might be scum.

True. But I'm going to assume there will be a "your recruit succeeded/failed" message.

I ask a LOT of stupid questions of the mods. And get abused in return. But every once in a while I ask the right question the right way.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

I asked, and they did indeed confirm that I CAN move time back into a previous day - now that will be fun!

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

I asked, and they did indeed confirm that I CAN move time back into a previous day - now that will be fun!

They also decided that I can't eavesdrop in the night. *sigh*

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

I think we can rule out Sorrit as one of the two scum:

Sorrit, on 28 May 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

One more thought before I go: what's to stop our TL from setting back the clock on a recruitment so as to get the name of the recruiter from the rescued recruitee?

And this is a very good point. Do we think the mods put in some kind of block on this - like recruitments cannot be reversed?

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

How about splitting the difference and letting me put in a standard order: The first 30 minutes of day and the last 30 minutes of day.

I think that's a reasonable modification to the roll, don't you?

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

I think we can rule out Sorrit as one of the two scum:

Sorrit, on 28 May 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

One more thought before I go: what's to stop our TL from setting back the clock on a recruitment so as to get the name of the recruiter from the rescued recruitee?

And this is a very good point. Do we think the mods put in some kind of block on this - like recruitments cannot be reversed?

That is possible. And I was going to suggest ruling him out because the timing of the second move could be a move to point fingers at him.

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

How about splitting the difference and letting me put in a standard order: The first 30 minutes of day and the last 30 minutes of day.

I think that's a reasonable modification to the roll, don't you?

I'm afraid that if I was a mod, I would not let you do that, as you're trying to loophole through the time changing mechanic

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King / Queen:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

How about splitting the difference and letting me put in a standard order: The first 30 minutes of day and the last 30 minutes of day.

I think that's a reasonable modification to the roll, don't you?

I'm afraid that if I was a mod, I would not let you do that, as you're trying to loophole through the time changing mechanic

I beg to differ. It makes an experimental role more workable. It would stop incessant whining polite questioning as to the parameters of the role.

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

Of course, if they do allow that, five minutes later one of us will think of a spectacular way to use "eavesdrop" in conjunction with "move time forward"

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 28 May 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

I asked, and they did indeed confirm that I CAN move time back into a previous day - now that will be fun!

They also decided that I can't eavesdrop in the night. *sigh*

The "they" was Blend btw. The reversal was articulate, rational, and consistent with a 0 time frame night.

Veng would have just said, "suck it, you're not getting them."

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

Of course, if they do allow that, five minutes later one of us will think of a spectacular way to use "eavesdrop" in conjunction with "move time forward"

Oh shit. I just thought of a way that could work. And it's not good news.

"eavesdrop on Target between 15 hours 46 minutes remaining and 14 hours 15 minutes remaining."

+

"at 16 hours 46 minutes remaining, move time forward 1 hours"

=

"Hey boss, did you do that one?"

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From Karosis:

Karosis, on 28 May 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

I'm praying on a fast lynch towards end of day. I'm also hoping we recruit tonight. I'll continue to use my powers. If I am speed lynched then I can't do nothing about that but I seem to have pointed fingers in Shells direction.

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Ok so they lynched shelly. I don't know if you have a scene ready or not. In case you do I am just going to put the partial CF down and get started on the night messages.

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Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

just to let you know that I will be reversing time after you confirm the lynch, so you don't send Shelly to SH (not straight away, anyway). I'll do it after the first half hour of day 2, so that Gnaw gets his Chance to eavesdrop.


I do have a feeling that this will not only NOT reverse recruitment, but also give the recruiter a second chance to recruit

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Sheltatha Lore, on 29 May 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

As I'm dead right now I volunteer for modding (time updates and such) if you need a mod in my timezone. (I figure I gotta start somewhere ...)
After I'm cleared for TL returns of course.

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Sigh....

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

Take back 15 minutes. That removed 4 votes.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

This is the right quote.

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 9 hours and 10 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Sheltatha Lore )
3 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 06:12 AM, said:

4 votes follow it.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 May 2013 - 12:42 PM

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Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

This is the right quote.

Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 9 hours and 10 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Kessobahn ( Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Sheltatha Lore )
3 Votes for Sheltatha Lore ( Omtose, Tennes, Ay Estos )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Aranatha )

Players not voted: Barghast, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Sorrit

Hey I don't want to rain on your parade here. But the vote after this post doesn't fall for an hour and a half. So the 15 minutes roll back doesn't really do anything. I will double check with Blend but I am pretty sure that their votes would still count.


V

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Blend are you around?
V

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Am still waiting for bus to work. Once I get there and am at a computer, I will add a scene and resolve night. Though it looks like Hell moved time before lynch actually happened so maybe Shel survives for now.

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Also the whole hold up I am going to want to reverse time when x occurs does not really fly. If they want to reverse time they should either be on or pay the hours to get it done when they get on.

V

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Path-Shaper, on 29 May 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

Am still waiting for bus to work. Once I get there and am at a computer, I will add a scene and resolve night. Though it looks like Hell moved time before lynch actually happened so maybe Shel survives for now.

It is a toughy. Karosis moved time but only 15 minutes after your last update. But he didn't move time enough to remove a vote. Although he thought that he did. Tulas I think is going to move time back to void the lynch but I don't know for sure. I am not sure if Karosis effected anything with his 15 minute move.

V

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Rebels

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 07:21 AM, said:

Just posted in the Eclipse thread with this alt because I was using my phone. Now Khell and Tapper, who are both playing this game and that, will know which alt I am. There is no way of deleting the post. So expect some heat to come my way.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

Aranatha is Tapper. 100% he saw my post in eclipse thread and now is replying to me in thread. I know this for the way he is dissecting my posts, bit by bit.



He always gets me lynched. Recruit him.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

He was already my recruitment order. Calm your dick in thread. You managed to be sly and start what I thought was an unlikely train on Shel, but now you're pushing too hard for a lynch that should already be sealed.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

He was already my recruitment order. Calm your dick in thread. You managed to be sly and start what I thought was an unlikely train on Shel, but now you're pushing too hard for a lynch that should already be sealed.

We all do dickish things when we wake. I have done something. I don't know if you'd agree, but I took the clock back to before the 4 votes on Shell. Only 15 minutes of time used from PS' last post. So this day should have another 9 hours attached to it, I think that is how it works.



That way Shelly is not lynched.



I needed to post on thread so that wifom happens. I basically see myself as your symp. I can manipulate time to mess up the thread and give you a lot of places to hide. You are the more important member of our team.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

The decision to take time back before someone hammered was made as I woke, in hindsight I should have just let him die. My hope is that people think that he is town and we can recruit him in a day or so, or that people think he is the TL rather than look at me in a triangle with him and Kesso.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

But...I just hammered...

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

This could be bad. They're either gonna see this as Shel being scum or Shel being roled inno. If they see it as scum TL desperate to save Shel then hooray. Otherwise very big danger where he already doesn't like you or me.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

I put in that order 5 hours ago, or 4 hours ago. I cannot change it now, unless PS would let me but I don't think so.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Well clearly both mods are sleeping

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

I think we'll be okay. It will be a huge case of Wifom, but I think that they will end up lynching Shelly just to be sure.



I will ask you from now on whether to do an action or not. We'll see how the end of day goes and then make a plan from there.



What do you think about recruitment and time reversal? what they are talking about on thread.


If you put in an action at the start of day maybe the TL will not be able to counter that and you recruit the recruit early and when time goes back we already have a recruit?

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Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

Well clearly both mods are sleeping

Yes, Venge did say that they need a UK mod to make this game more effective.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

I think the game would totally break down if night actions could be reversed. I've never played a blend game before but that's typically not a thing mods like to do is run a game that's broken by day 2.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:24 AM, said:

Yeah I agree. They run it past other people to make sure it works, Venge is co modding and would have thought of something like that.

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

Either there's a clause for night actions or we won't receive our PMs until the TLs confirm the time.

Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

This is very messy indeed.

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Karosis, on 29 May 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

I thought that time gets reset or goes back to the position where I role the clock back? Adding more hours to the day, ask away though.

Blend may clarify this but I was a TL in the last game and helped balance this one out. You can move time back sure. But the only way to undo events that have already happened is to roll time back to before the events then to fast forward time so that the events aren't able to happen. Otherwise if you just roll time back then the event will still happen. It will just happen a little later.


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Sorry guys, bus is brutal slow this morn. 15 mins and I can deal with resolving things.