[Monok Ochem]

I'm looking in

Ruse - what are you thinking?

Also, I did not hammer Thyr, he did himself

[Monok Ochem]

these games without the big talkers always get sluggish, esp. on Friday

[Ruse]

I am thinking Trake has to go today. Kilava at least is participating even though I think he is definite scum, it's his partner i'm looking for and either Anthras, Pallid or Trake is it.

[Trake]

Still in a clusterfuck at work. I am not scum but I do not have the time to play this game till monday at the earliest. If you lynch me fine. At least another member of town won't go. Don't lynch me off of Ruse's bullshit logic though. The man is a moron.

[Path-Shaper]

Ryadd Eleis has been modkilled for inactivity. He was town and Gnaw.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I am thinking Trake has to go today. Kilava at least is participating even though I think he is definite scum, it's his partner i'm looking for and either Anthras, Pallid or Trake is it.

If you think I am definite scum and are not sure about my partner you should be voting me.

If you think I'm definite scum, and you have 3 suspects for my partner, that means you have a 2/3 of hitting inno by going for my partner. Not only that, but if one of them is lynched and turns up inno, where does it leave us? It really doesn't clear up much, does it? I mean, if there are still two other candidates for my partner, things can stay hung up on my supposed scumminess.

However much contribution I make, does that really make up for having a 1/3 chance of scum, as opposed to what you think is definite?

If the case on someone else relies on me being scummy, surely you should be testing that part first no? We tend to try and find scum first, then find the partner, not vice versa, and that's for a good reason.

I don't like it. It seems scummy, like you're trying to set up an extra, easy, lynch out of my supposed scummy behaviour, since that seems to have gotten a little support. Then if they come up inno you can easily just say that you must have hit the wrong one of them, and go for me or for one of the other two, and get two lynches for the price of one.

This is either dodgy as fuck or tremendously poor play.

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 17 May 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I am thinking Trake has to go today. Kilava at least is participating even though I think he is definite scum, it's his partner i'm looking for and either Anthras, Pallid or Trake is it.

If you think I am definite scum and are not sure about my partner you should be voting me.

If you think I'm definite scum, and you have 3 suspects for my partner, that means you have a 2/3 of hitting inno by going for my partner. Not only that, but if one of them is lynched and turns up inno, where does it leave us? It really doesn't clear up much, does it? I mean, if there are still two other candidates for my partner, things can stay hung up on my supposed scumminess.

However much contribution I make, does that really make up for having a 1/3 chance of scum, as opposed to what you think is definite?

If the case on someone else relies on me being scummy, surely you should be testing that part first no? We tend to try and find scum first, then find the partner, not vice versa, and that's for a good reason.

I don't like it. It seems scummy, like you're trying to set up an extra, easy, lynch out of my supposed scummy behaviour, since that seems to have gotten a little support. Then if they come up inno you can easily just say that you must have hit the wrong one of them, and go for me or for one of the other two, and get two lynches for the price of one.

This is either dodgy as fuck or tremendously poor play.

I COULD JUST SAY FUCK ALL AND THE DAY WILL TIME OUT WITH OUT A LYNCH, HOW IS IT SCUMMY TO ACTUALLY WANT TO LYNCH SOMEONE?

I'M DONE.

I WON'T BE ACTIVE LATER AND NO ONE HAS DISCUSSED ANYTHING SO FAR TODAY.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Kilava, on 17 May 2013 - 04:06 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I am thinking Trake has to go today. Kilava at least is participating even though I think he is definite scum, it's his partner i'm looking for and either Anthras, Pallid or Trake is it.

If you think I am definite scum and are not sure about my partner you should be voting me.

If you think I'm definite scum, and you have 3 suspects for my partner, that means you have a 2/3 of hitting inno by going for my partner. Not only that, but if one of them is lynched and turns up inno, where does it leave us? It really doesn't clear up much, does it? I mean, if there are still two other candidates for my partner, things can stay hung up on my supposed scumminess.

However much contribution I make, does that really make up for having a 1/3 chance of scum, as opposed to what you think is definite?

If the case on someone else relies on me being scummy, surely you should be testing that part first no? We tend to try and find scum first, then find the partner, not vice versa, and that's for a good reason.

I don't like it. It seems scummy, like you're trying to set up an extra, easy, lynch out of my supposed scummy behaviour, since that seems to have gotten a little support. Then if they come up inno you can easily just say that you must have hit the wrong one of them, and go for me or for one of the other two, and get two lynches for the price of one.

This is either dodgy as fuck or tremendously poor play.

I COULD JUST SAY FUCK ALL AND THE DAY WILL TIME OUT WITH OUT A LYNCH, HOW IS IT SCUMMY TO ACTUALLY WANT TO LYNCH SOMEONE?

I'M DONE.

I WON'T BE ACTIVE LATER AND NO ONE HAS DISCUSSED ANYTHING SO FAR TODAY.

That doesn't really address my point at all. Why not vote me if I'm definite scum? Particularly given that you then list 3 possibilities for my partner. Why aren't you testing whether I'm scum in the first place before going for people for being my partner?

[Eldat Pressen]

here. Need to get caught up.

[Eldat Pressen]

Spite, on 17 May 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

So the Kalse lynch went through, although it looks like it almost stalled out. I have to wonder if it was anyone's intent that it almost did exactly that. It could have stalled as a close tie between Kilava and Kalse.

Mockra was killed during the night. I don't see that we can get much from that.

There hasn't been much action today, so I think I'll wait and post more in depth later on in the day. In brief, I am interested in what Ruse is suggesting about it being either Kilava and Trake or Kilava and Pallid as the pair of killers, although I'm not necessarily agreeing here. This does sort of relate to that first day "thing" between Ryadd and Pallid about that "fellow critter" post. I was still interested in looking back at this, and mainly because we haven't really had much for super solid cases to go on. I was starting to view Pallid as a helpful townie to a certain extent, although this is mafia so that isn't very much. I guess I could potentially get behind a Ryadd vote, as it would shine a light in a totally new direction, as our latest roads haven't paid off.

I will hold off for now though. I'd like to hear from nearly everyone before I make my choice this time. Ruse spoke of us and our need to choose better this time, and I have to agree. We need to get one right. I'm also fairly interested in what Pallid would think about a Ryadd vote, as that particular case involved him with Ryadd.

Boom.

vote Spite




The Ryadd modkill actually helped us. It puts us in the right number for the odd/even at the end. This post by spite is quite wishy washy. It basically boils down to waiting for others to post so he can respond. This combined with his low posting and his willingness to go after Ryadd ( though, admittedly thats very minor) makes him a good option in my opinion.

I sense genuine frustration in Ruse and I get the same vibe from him that I did from Mockra. So I don't think I'd be willing to vote Ruse.

Right now I can see a Spite/Trake pairing. Though Monok's continued insistence on not having any opinion outside of finding me scummy is annoying and not helpful at all. Still can't tell if he's a bored inno or scum.

[Eldat Pressen]

I keep going back and forth on Kilava. He has been a thread leader from the beginning and has basically been on the lynching or voting end of many townies. I still lean inno, or maybe symp if Thyr wasn't one. I could be being played though.

[Eldat Pressen]

This quote:

Trake, on 17 May 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Still in a clusterfuck at work. I am not scum but I do not have the time to play this game till monday at the earliest. If you lynch me fine. At least another member of town won't go. Don't lynch me off of Ruse's bullshit logic though. The man is a moron.

popping up directly after this quote:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

I am thinking Trake has to go today. Kilava at least is participating even though I think he is definite scum, it's his partner i'm looking for and either Anthras, Pallid or Trake is it.

Is very scummy to me as well.

[Kilava]

I felt like he was pretty much addressing that post? Or do you just mean that the time between them?

[Kilava]

At this point so many people are coasting/low posting that if scum are amongst them it's could be hard to find them. As always, town low posting gives scum somewhere to hide and can waste time/effort/lynches, so is a total pain all around.

Also, list/summary of my thoughts on people incoming.

Anthras: Very low number of posts, but relatively decent content when he posts. Seems to try and contribute original stuff, does end up agreeing with points people have made a lot but that's to be expected when you're not around much. Not much to get a read on. Ruse does point out that his view on how the CF results influence things are a bit strange ("if Kalse turns up scum it adds to Mockra's case against Kilava"). Kind of cautious. Pretty consistent about being unconvinced Thyr was de-railing. Tends not to come down very strongly on either side of debates. In one post Mockra's post is simply based on playstyle and goes against evidence, in another it's intriguing etc. Also mentions he has almost no time to play, brief window/like an hour a day. All his posts seems to fall roughly around either 11 PM - 12 AM GMT, or around 2-3 AM GMT, and really RL should just be taken at face value anyway.

Denul: Almost no contribution to the game. Like Anthras he explains he is low on time, at one point saying he can basically just read the thread. He's against the early pressure on thyr, but then ofc he is since it was his vote that got people looking there to start. Voted kalse for the lynch, hammered, when he maybe could've just not posted, so that's in his favour.

Eldat Pressen: Mostly his contribution's have been reasonable, some analysis etc. He seems to like Trake, doesn't like Monok Ochem. A couple of odd things do stick out. Firstly, trying to set up lynches down the road. Called him on it at the time, as did Monok. Also started the "smooth" thing, then hasn't really mentioned it since Mockra picked it up. Slight scummy vibe. Like he wants to instigate things (also seemed he could be trying to set up a Monok vote in advance earlier, suggesting that if we don't lynch him now, we ought to later), but without being at the forefront.

Kilava: Best thing since sliced bread.

Monok Ochem: Still very coasty. Doesn't seem to have been prompted by the accusations into actually contributing much more. Not sure if that makes him less scummy or more. Part of me thinks it'd be an easy low poster vote, but I think there's more than just low posting, it's the complete lack of content and also the impression that he is actually around enough that he could post much more constructively, which I can't seem to shake. Worth noting as well that he does seem to be following fine, see here for example:

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Anthras, your quote broke, it was Elder Presley who said that stuff, appears you quoted Serc - then you addressed it to Ruse, who is on Kilava's case not mine


otherwise, carry on

Pallid: No single post comes to mind as standing out as seeming really scummy. The Thyr aspect of his case doesn't make much sense, the Trake aspect of it is reasonable enough but doesn't get very far or show much imo. Posts a lot, does seem to be trying to contribute, nothing hugely controversial and doesn't come down too strongly anywhere. Makes a case for me/Trake, doesn't seem to really like the other cases much though. Could be accused of being a bit wishy washy. Sarcastic at times, but rarely confrontational, kind of cautious and doesn't always seem that committed to the ideas he puts forwards.

Spite: Much like Anthras. He hasn't posted much, but has seemed to be trying to contribute when he has. He has been pretty middle of the road though, not many strong opinions that stand out. Does suggest Thyr must have been the symp, other than that, not much, just going along with things, either mildly agreeing or disagreeing. Votes Kalse, partly because he seems to think it's a better case, also partly as he didn't want a no lynch and it seemed the better vote in that regard.

Ruse: I don't think he makes much sense a lot of the time, but I'm not sure that would make him scum. Some of the stuff he does that doesn't make sense does look kind of scummy though. I didn't even make his large list of "nothing big" and then based on the same play I'm really scummy. He thinks I'm definite scum but wants to try and lynch my partner first, etc. Wouldn't mind a Ruse vote, but part of me just thinks he's town not making much sense...Also don't want to fall into just focussing on vocal players because they're the only one's posting so ofc they're the ones who'll end up posting something I think is a bit off, etc.

Trake: Was vocal to start,now isn't (again, have to give people benefit of the doubt about RL stuff though). I gave him some heat then tailed off when other stuff came along. Thyr may have been de-railing from him. Think I'm willing to give him a pass until he can start posting again though.

Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

Of these, I'd say these are the ones currently coasting/low posting, with their post counts:

Anthras (7), Denul (14), Monok Ochem (22), Spite (8), Trake (52).

Trake is the obvious outlier, because he was posting a lot earlier. Monok (and Denul to a lesser extent for that matter), has a really poor post/content ratio.

I mean, Eldat has 24 posts. Pallid has 20.

Monok is my first choice for scum in this group, Spite or maybe Denul my second.

As a side note, if you're scum coasting and claiming a RL reason to make it seem less suspicious, fuck you.

Of the I'd say are posting more content (that is, Eldat, myself, Pallid, Ruse), Ruse is currently the one I find scummiest.

For now, I'm going to:

Vote Monok Ochem.

He has been coasting from the start, but it seems more by deliberate choice than other people. Ruse has also seemed scummy, but could just be a town player who has gone for a few things I don't think are sensible. It also bugs me that we make it easy for scum to coast, partly by giving them the place to hide by town also, partly by not lynching them very often.

Edited because I hit posted before finishing a sentence by accident.

This post has been edited by Kilava: 17 May 2013 - 05:18 PM

[Monok Ochem]

I'm a consistent low poster, sad to say

I don't mind the accusations, but I can't defend against that and you know it. I join in as I can, that's why I knew what was going on yesterday.

[Eldat Pressen]

Monok Ochem, on 17 May 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

I'm a consistent low poster, sad to say

I don't mind the accusations, but I can't defend against that and you know it. I join in as I can, that's why I knew what was going on yesterday.

It would be different if you joined in with analysis, or unique thoughts, or attacked somebody, or did anything remotely useful other than one liner posts that give us no knowledge one way or the other as to what team you are on. Joining in to post crap is almost as bad as not posting at all.

[Monok Ochem]

Eldat Pressen, on 17 May 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 17 May 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

I'm a consistent low poster, sad to say

I don't mind the accusations, but I can't defend against that and you know it. I join in as I can, that's why I knew what was going on yesterday.

It would be different if you joined in with analysis, or unique thoughts, or attacked somebody, or did anything remotely useful other than one liner posts that give us no knowledge one way or the other as to what team you are on. Joining in to post crap is almost as bad as not posting at all.

i know it

[Path-Shaper]

It is now day 3. 6 hours 36 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Trake: Ruse
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Kilava
1 vote Spite: Eldat Pressen

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Trake

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 May 2013 - 10:18 PM

[Eldat Pressen]

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

It is now day 3. 6 hours 36 minutes remaining.


10 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Trake: Ruse
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Kilava
1 vote Spite: Eldat Pressen

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

isn't it 9 players alive and 5 to lynch? Modkill of Ryadd and all.

[Kilava]

Blend, on 09 May 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

2.4 - Majority Defined
A majority means either more than half of the active players voting for one player's lynch or half or more of the active players voting to go to night without a lynch.
If a player is modkilled during the day, the majorities will not adjust.