[Ruse]

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Vote Kalse

Same reasons as yesterday.

So Kilava is voting Kalse and other people are saying that if they lynch Kalse that will clue them up to how Kilava is perceived? So if Kalse is innocent then so is Kilava? Or Kalse is scum then so is Kilava? Yet Kilava is voting for Kalse early doors? If I was to link Kilava to anyone it would be Pallid. An example would be their latest interaction.

[Ruse]

You know when you are partnered with someone in a game like this you both discuss the thread and what people are saying and what you should respond to? Well I think if Pallid/Kilava are discussing things off thread then this is one of the biggest clues. Pallid comes online and says hey Kilava, what should I post about? I have been away and don't really want to get into discussing shit with other people. Kilava replies with, i'll post a post that you can reply to, have a go at me so it looks like we aren't pals or partnered and then reply to Ruse because he has a boner for both of us. Then Pallid says okay go on, I'll leave it an hour and then post a response.

Kilava, on 16 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Pallid said in his case:

Pallid, on 15 May 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I thought it might be useful to look at how we got to voting Thyr, especially if we think he's symp.

And then implied I was behind it. Of course he then implied that I'd decided to go for my symp to distract from my partner after I'd decided to go for my partner in the first place, or something similarly baffling.

Back to Ruse, what I'm wondering is how you think that Thyr turning up innocent makes me look more town like?

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that, as it turns out, I was totally right about Thyr acting the noob.

Edited for clarity.

I have snipped the post because I am going to reply to it in a moment, but what does Pallid address? The exact post that Kilava has posted, he follows his concerns about me and distances a little from Kilava.


Pallid's Response Link

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 3 hours and 28 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

5 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen, Anthras, Pallid, Spite
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse


Players not voted: Denul, Kalse, Monok Ochem, Trake

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 16 May 2013 - 08:38 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Just to let you guys know that I'll going into a meeting in about fifteen minutes and don't expect to reemerge for 2-3 hours, meaning that lynch and night resolution may be a little bit delayed, as Blend won't be around either. Sorry about that.

- Khell

[Ruse]

Kilava your good, you ask me to address one part of my "case" but ignore the rest. In a moment I will take a step back and look at the thread with new eyes. I find it hard to do so though as I really think you are scum. I'll probably get to SH and be totally wrong but right now I am convinced. I'll answer below.

Kilava, on 16 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Hey Ruse, I've got a question about your case btw.

Ruse, on 15 May 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Kilava is one of the only ones playing to Thyr's role play. Why? Looking for brownie points? Knowing he will turn out innocent which in turn may make Kilava look more town like?
No one thought or should have thought that Thyr was a newbie. Except for you. You were the one pandering to his posts. You were the one giving him summaries and answering his questions like a helpful person. You creating a persona of being nice and helpful which is what town is supposed to be. It was like you were trying extra hard to look like a townie by doing this. People got angry at Thyr, I think it was funny as fuck, especially since it was Khell doing an extremely good job at role play. Maybe a little hurful to town but not as much as it could have been seeing as it was day one. I've caught you in a lie below as well. I know your intelligent enough to come to some sort of reason for it but...

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

For someone playing the confused inno, Thyr still does manage to pull out the standard response to symp cases (based on someone elses actions etc), rather coolly.

What does this even mean?

Back to Ruse, what I'm wondering is how you think that Thyr turning up innocent makes me look more town like?

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that, as it turns out, I was totally right about Thyr acting the noob.[

Edited for clarity.

You were right about Thyr acting the noob??? You the one who was answering his questions. You the one who when he asked what the cases are replied to him in detail? You were fucking wrong about him acting the noob because otherwise you wouldn't have gone to such an effort to answer him and play to his act. Okay then if you knew he was "acting the newb" what was your motive for the replies? TO LOOK LIKE A HELPFUL TOWN PLAYER.


You ask why I voted Thyr? Multiple reasons. The first is that I no longer trust town to get a lynch. If Thyr is the designated choice for that day then I am hoping on and riding it unless it goes elsewhere. Day one shenanigans made us lynch the silly but funny player. It helps us avoid confusion later in the game about Denul's possbile signal. I didn't think Kalse was a viable option then, and still don't now. Although his lack of response to the train building on him is worrisome. I mean is he cool, calm and collected as scum or does he just not give a shit if he is lynched? I will vote Kalse to get a lynch but my preferred choice today would be you or Pallid.

I feel so angry with the thread for letting you off the hook. Thinking an unknown in Kalse would be better and give us more information than someone like you. You have had many posts and interactions in which we can analyse. I know it is early in the game and getting rid of non active players is best done now rather than later.

I am losing my train of thought so I'll post this and then read further.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 16 May 2013 - 08:53 AM

[Ruse]

So Anthras votes for Kalse because he agrees with Pressen and thinks if Kalse is scum then so is Kilava.

Anthras, on 16 May 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

I won't be around until tomorrow, so I'll drop a vote.

vote Kalse


I've been thinking on it, and though I may not be entirely convinced, Mockra's case is still intriguing, as is Pressen's reasoning for voting Kalse. We have the least to lose by Pressen's reasoning, and if Kalse turns up scum it adds to Mockra's case against Kilava.

edit: removed word

Whereas Pallid thinks that if Kalse is innocent then so is Kilava? This post from Pallid feels as though he is defending Kilava but also distancing, why?

So stop pointing fingers at Kilava for making lists - check

Pallid, on 16 May 2013 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I'm on for a bit.

So first of all - Ruse and his "lists" and shit is bugging me as well. Seriously. Seriously? Let's cut the crap with claims of scum merely because of a list.

Secondly - I will admit my case was somewhat convoluted. If you'll take note, I did not vote after making it because I had set up what was a possibility in my mind, laid out the pieces, and saw that they only sort of fit. As to Kilava's concern:

Kilava, on 16 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

-snip-

Pallid said in his case:

Pallid, on 15 May 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I thought it might be useful to look at how we got to voting Thyr, especially if we think he's symp.

And then implied I was behind it. Of course he then implied that I'd decided to go for my symp to distract from my partner after I'd decided to go for my partner in the first place, or something similarly baffling.

Back to Ruse, what I'm wondering is how you think that Thyr turning up innocent makes me look more town like?

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that, as it turns out, I was totally right about Thyr acting the noob.

Edited for clarity.

No, I did not mean you intentionally went after your own symp. I meant you may have taken Thyr's stupid posting as a good distraction from your distancing from Trake. If you are scum, I don't even think you knew Thry was (possibly) your symp. Perhaps I implied otherwise, but did not mean to, hope that clarifies things.

Additionally, I'm glad I didn't lay down a vote on Kilava, because as much as Mockra's posts seem to make sense, Anthras makes a good point in that they still just boil down to "smooth-playing argument." Which is on par with the list-making crap.

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Vote Monok Ochem

I just caught up. Worthless poster is worthless. Maybe in the Vein of a HO type scum player? I don't know. But day 2 is the time to get rid of low/worthless posters regardless of if you have a strong case. It's early enough that it doesn't harm town too much, and it removes them from the possibility of being involved in late game decisions of which they will either not take part or be...worthless.

So having caught up. I still trust trake (trust being a relative term...I'm not CIing him or anything), I actually liked Pallid's posts. I am leaning towards trusting Ruse... but his quote case against Kilava seem s a bit easy. Like he senses the tide growing against her and wants to add momentum. I am on the fence about Ruse. Kalse is another worthless poster and I don't have a good feel or read. I would be willing to vote them in the same vein as I am voting Monok. Awesome if we lynch scum, not so bad if they are town, as how much help are they going to be end game. I don't trust Ryadd and he is definitely playing to the role of moderate posting scum. I am willing to vote him. Anthras, Denul Spite..still waiting to get an impression. Though I am leaning inno on Denul.

^In many ways I also agree with Pressen's ideas, but would rather vote Kalse for the multiple reasons already mentioned by others. Also it may or may not answer some questions (like if he's scum, then it's nice to know Kilava is town - she at least makes cases and gets the thread talking, unlike other people).

Eeechh, probably goes without saying, but I am not leaning towards trusting Ruse. Not only does he seem convinced I'm scummy because I bother to write out my posts neatly and in a row (and hit "Add Reply" one after the other - oh the horror?), but because I'm gone all day too. Soo here I am. Posting at the same time I always post unless it's the weekend. Another bad move by me, apparently, is a summary (despite the fact I've made a case and state my opinions), and the fact I pointed out it was silly for Mockra to vote for me based on flawed reasoning - the talk about avatars (additionally, I'm still not sure why my response to Mockra was over-the-top? I didn't vote him even, and he said it was OMGUS... so yeah). Oh, and the talk about avatars is yet another reason Ruse thinks I'm scummy. Le sigh.


vote Kalse

I'd be willing to switch to Monok as well. My eye is still on Kilava/Trake, but again, I agree with Pressen that Ruse seems to be taking advantage of the train on Kilava. Which is odd, since most of his posting seems to be about me.

The underlined Pallid links Kilava with distancing from Trake. So he has them as a partnership in mind, but then he says that if Kalse is scum then Kilava is town, how does he make that connection? Cause Kilava is voting for Kalse?


Pallid seems to distrust Kilava but echoes Kilava's thoughts.

[Ruse]

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

It is now Day 2. 3 hours and 28 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

5 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen, Anthras, Pallid, Spite
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse


Players not voted: Denul, Kalse, Monok Ochem, Trake

The two main suspects for me as being scum are on the Kalse train. We need to keep an eye on time because we only have 3 hours left. I will add to the Kalse train to get a lynch, we would still need one more. I don't think Kilava will be lynched today.

[Ruse]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

Don't have time to post much tonight.

Seeing that it was Khell that got lynched makes me think he had to be the symp. Why else would he play like that? It certainly wasn't a townie move and Khell is to smart and solid of a player to just fuck town over like that. (Don't tell him I said that)

I guess it's good that serc was the NK for me as I had him high on my scum list... I still think Kilava is possible scum, and if not him, maybe someone like Anthras who has posted very little (that I remember). If we did lynch Kiliva and he came back inno, I would give much more credence to his Ruse/Kalse combo. So... I guess I am sitting on the fence between Kalse/Kilava as my vote as I feel it would give us the most info.

I really don't think Trake is scum, he was willing to mix it up. I am more willing to give the people mixing it up a pass over those that are being agreeable. It's a RI's role to express opinions. It puts pressure on the scum and gives the other Ri's something to look back on as we approach D-day. My posts tomorrow will center around who I trust and don't trust at this moment. It would be nice if everyone else did the same. The more info we have on thread, the better.

Thats all for now.

This is why people are voting for Kalse. Kalse is not the common denominator here. You are asking for logic but voting Kalse? If Kilava is innocednt then lynch me or kalse, if he is scum lynch pallid. Makes sense no? We won't get a swing here, i'll add my vote to kalse' train but people are dumb.

[Ruse]

Pallid, on 15 May 2013 - 06:24 AM, said:

Last - I'm tired. Dead tired. So maybe I missed something - Kilava, why switch to Kalse when you seemed set on Trake? Yes, he voted you, and is coasty, we get it - but as you pointed out yourself, he was deliberately posting jokes while serious discussion was going on - that's a bit too obvious perhaps? It was Day 1, despite the seriousness. As you also said yourself, if there was a switch for anyone, it would be in Thyr's direction for such suspicious noob play (as you were quick to point out). And why don't you consider yourself building a case on Kalse when you've voted him? Twice?

I definitely don't agree with RE saying Kilava panicked when "realizing Thryll was her symp" - what is that even.

I want to vote tomorrow night, not now, because I do fear a certain tunnel-visionedness and paranoia setting in, so I'd like to see what others think as well.

Because I'm equally concerned with Kalse's coasting, I'm willing to vote for him as well (or MO, for the coasting, or Trake for possibly being aligned with possible-scum-Kilava).


Ok. Good night.

Okay, this throws a little spanner in the works. I actually agree with what Pallid is saying about Trake and Kilava. Yet it is Trake the one who is being pointed at here more so than Kilava. So what I can see is two directions/theories.

Pallid is partnered to Kilava and using this case as a smokescreen to set up Trake in the future and distance himself from Kilava and also PI Kilava through lynching Trake.

Kilava/Trake are partnered, they wanted to be seen as engaging each other on thread and had a miniature argument early on. Trake reacted early day one to my vote by attacking Thyr. He was wrong about Thyr. He has been quiet since. kilava has taken the role of leading the thread where Trake lays low key.

[Ruse]

Around an hour and twenty to go. I will vote Kalse but we still need one more vote for the lynch. You fucking retards.

Remove Vote

Vote Kalse

[Denul]

I have negative time for this game, boo. I'll try and catch up in the weekend and be constructive then. I can hammer to get a lynch, but only if I do it in the next 15min or so, any nays to that?

[Ruse]

We need a lynch. I was panicking in case no one got on. If no one shows up before you leave then yeah leave a vote.

[Denul]

Totally get ya, I hate wasting a day on a no lynch. I'm just lucky I happened to be on at the right time, to be honest. I had no idea what time day was timing out.

I'll wait around a bit then vote.

[Ruse]

Denul, on 16 May 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Totally get ya, I hate wasting a day on a no lynch. I'm just lucky I happened to be on at the right time, to be honest. I had no idea what time day was timing out.

I'll wait around a bit then vote.

Please don't leave without leaving a vote though, we have around 45 minutes left.

[Denul]

That's enough time waiting I think.

Vote Kalse

[Path-Shaper]

I'm here. Let me just chase the mice out of the office, sift through the piles of papers, and I'll get down to the srs bznez.


- Khell

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

7 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen, Anthras, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Denul
2 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis


Players not voted: Kalse, Monok Ochem, Trake


"Ok, i've got it. If he's the symp than that guy's the killer and therefore that guy's got to be town."

"Don't you mean that if that guy's the killer, then he has to be the symp, and that girl over there is therefore innocent?"

"Oh yeah, maybe. Or possibly those two are both the symp, making that group of chipmunks over there the town, and the killers are figments of our imagination."

"Hmm, it all sounds so equally plausible and well thought out to me. We need another opinion. What do you think, Kalse?"

"I think that your sister was a demon in the sack, second only to your wife. Good, good times."

"YOU MOTHERF...!!!!"


Crash, bang, wallop, splat.


Kalse has been lynched. He was innocent, and Twelve.

[Path-Shaper]

In the morning, the group of nondescript townsfolk were not surprised to find another corpse in the central square. After all, that's just something you have to put up with in the village of Little Mafia, West Dakota. But at least the house prices were dirt cheap, and nobody cared about you having one drink too many at Gust Hubb's Olde Times Saloon.


Unfortunately, ever since ol' Gusty had decided on that name change, fortune had a habit of turning her lovely back upon him. But that was Little Mafia for you.


Mockra has been killed. He was innocent, and Corv.


It is now day 3. 36(?) hours remaining.


10 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen,Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 16 May 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

You know when you are partnered with someone in a game like this you both discuss the thread and what people are saying and what you should respond to? Well I think if Pallid/Kilava are discussing things off thread then this is one of the biggest clues. Pallid comes online and says hey Kilava, what should I post about? I have been away and don't really want to get into discussing shit with other people. Kilava replies with, i'll post a post that you can reply to, have a go at me so it looks like we aren't pals or partnered and then reply to Ruse because he has a boner for both of us. Then Pallid says okay go on, I'll leave it an hour and then post a response.

Kilava, on 16 May 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

Pallid said in his case:

Pallid, on 15 May 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

I thought it might be useful to look at how we got to voting Thyr, especially if we think he's symp.

And then implied I was behind it. Of course he then implied that I'd decided to go for my symp to distract from my partner after I'd decided to go for my partner in the first place, or something similarly baffling.

Back to Ruse, what I'm wondering is how you think that Thyr turning up innocent makes me look more town like?

I would also like to take this opportunity to point out that, as it turns out, I was totally right about Thyr acting the noob.

Edited for clarity.

I have snipped the post because I am going to reply to it in a moment, but what does Pallid address? The exact post that Kilava has posted, he follows his concerns about me and distances a little from Kilava.


Pallid's Response Link

Or he just replied to my post because my post addressed his case you know. Which is kind of another problem for the whole me/Pallid thing you'd think, that he actually came on and suggested a case on me, at a time when I was already under pressure.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 16 May 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Vote Kalse

Same reasons as yesterday.

So Kilava is voting Kalse and other people are saying that if they lynch Kalse that will clue them up to how Kilava is perceived?

You are right that the logic there doesn't really work.