[Kilava]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Mockra, on 15 May 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

My case against Kilava is based on Day 1 playstyle. Kilava intentionally takes up the banner of a thoughtful, analytic townie, who tries to remain calm when attacked with votes, who tries to critique other's thoughts, and who shouts down the stupid and inane for confusing everyone and preventing meaningful discussion.

This playstyle is a choice, and on Day 1 appears heavy handed and contrived to me (and others). Thus, the case against Kilava is based on the presumed assumption that Kilava is trying to blend in by giving the appearance of a good townie, above suspicion and too valuable to lynch. It is a fairly easy role to fake in my experience (given my playstyle doesn't change much, regardless of my role status, RI or Scum) and done right, people can get through the game misguiding town.

Fortunately, played too earnestly, or nervously (as in Kilava's case, as mentioned by Ruse), the playstyle smells wrong, and inconsistencies, however tenuous, crop up. Kilava fits the bill of someone using the playstyle to hide in plain sight, not as a natural, innocent, helpful townie with nothing to hide.

That is why I vote Kilava and will push to see her lynched today.

Or that's just how I play, you know? Thoughtful and analytic seems how one should try and play town, imo.

If you actually pointed out any of the claimed "inconsistencies" that made any sort of sense there would at least be some sort of case to bite into. As it stands, all I've had are attacks purely on playstyle, walls of quotes that don't really pertain to much, and speculation trying to make something scummy out of anything I've posted that the word "tenuous" is much too kind to.

You realize, of course, that you are now in the position that you have to be lynched, or the scum will just keep you around to cause discord and make us waste a lynch on WIFOM down the line. Sucks to be you.

Hah, I disagree. In that case, that would be true of anyone who got a few votes, or some random accusations. Nice of you to try and further the lynch like that though.

[Monok Ochem]

I do not like Eldat's move to make the Kilava lynch seem mandatory

[Eldat Pressen]

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

I do not like Eldat's move to make the Kilava lynch seem mandatory

Oh my god!! An opinion! Thank you!

[Eldat Pressen]

*preface* I know NK's are WIFOM. That doesn't mean they aren't worth looking at imo. *end preface*

Serc didn't really go after anyone EXCEPT Kalse. He had no major spats other than a little exchange with Trake.

Serc, on 13 May 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Blah blah blah. Had a yada

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

What is wrong with you people? Path-Shaper hasn't been lynched yet? He is clearly spysat117 and has been recruited by Big Ben.

We need to kill him before he kills us.

So, minimal (actually, no) content and a vote in shortly after a (however spurious) case against Trake. Care to justify your vote a little, Kalse? Beyond some downright shoddy distraction to the only real interaction between alts so far?

As an aside, before anyone else brings it up, having looked into it (don't go there, really, don't) there's a pair of butt-beams pouring forth from a pair of arses in my avatar. Now were I thinking that PS is setting me up I'd be looking for another avatar featuring a pair of something - we do after all have a paired killer around and I may be being paranoid but hiding the obvious in plain sight is a very old trick. Just to get it out before anyone else brings it up Now we haven't seen Spite yet...

Look at my avatar, you know you want to.

Now zoom in.



Closer.





Clooooseeeerrrr!





Hey, I did it, now you all feel my pain.

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

Not to mention the vote on me from Eldat for not pointing-out-the-flaming-obvious for those too mentally damaged to see it for themselves regarding to OP and Thry's apparent not reading of it. <sigh> Yeah okay, I should have jumped down his throat but he's clearly enjoying playing the clueless fucking noob.

I should be back before the end of the day but just in case;

Vote Kalse

I know when I am killer I like to go after people that show to much interest in me day 1-2 and let people WIFOM away the reasoning behind the kill. so....


Remove Vote


Vote Kalse


This does 3 things, it removes a low poster, it gives us info on a person multiple people have expressed an opinion on, and it help shed light on Kilava without actually lynching them. If Kalse comes back scum then we can almost certainly PI Kilava. If Kalse comes back inno, not much info in regards to Kilava other than she was persistant towards lynching an inno... but in M&P that's the norm rather than the exception.

I still wouldn't mind a Monok vote though as I am loathe to have him be involved in endgame.

[Monok Ochem]

according to you, it's already endgame so I can see why you want me gone - did I help defeat you in the past or something? Grudge lists are so out of fashion this year


also, it does a 4th thing - puts you and your scummy bros one easy target closer to the win

[Trake]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Monok's last 6 or so posts. Are you kidding me? Nothing of substance. Nothing to indicate one way or another if they are scum or inno. No application of pressure on anyone. Just one post of subtly defending of Kilava. I am not sure if he is a bored inno, or a low laying Killer. I think Khell was the symp, and even if he wasn't Monok is doing nothing that a symp would do. I just fear making it to end game with players like Monok. How are we supposed to glean anything from gems like these?

I do not think that khell was a symp. I think that he was just messing about, because he could. If you think that he was a symp who do you think he was symping? If you think that he was a symp then you should be attacking the person who you think he was symping as that would be your prime suspect for scum. Saying that he was the symp makes it easy to ignore and deflect other possible sympage in the game. Town can never know if they lynched a symp until the game is over.

It is suspicious to me that you are attempting to say that the symp is already dead.

[Monok Ochem]

agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

[Kilava]

Back.

Firstly, grudge lists should never be out of fashion.

Pretty interesting about the Serc thing. As you say, kill speculation gets WIFOM awfully quickly, but I do agree that they often aren't random.

I've mentioned Monok before as coasting, and he still seems to be. He has posted a little more to do with the thread though.

[Trake]

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

[Eldat Pressen]

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Monok's last 6 or so posts. Are you kidding me? Nothing of substance. Nothing to indicate one way or another if they are scum or inno. No application of pressure on anyone. Just one post of subtly defending of Kilava. I am not sure if he is a bored inno, or a low laying Killer. I think Khell was the symp, and even if he wasn't Monok is doing nothing that a symp would do. I just fear making it to end game with players like Monok. How are we supposed to glean anything from gems like these?

I do not think that khell was a symp. I think that he was just messing about, because he could. If you think that he was a symp who do you think he was symping? If you think that he was a symp then you should be attacking the person who you think he was symping as that would be your prime suspect for scum. Saying that he was the symp makes it easy to ignore and deflect other possible sympage in the game. Town can never know if they lynched a symp until the game is over.

It is suspicious to me that you are attempting to say that the symp is already dead.

He doesn't have to symp someone in particular. As long as the thread is directed at him, it's off his masters. I think Khell is a good player, I fail to see how pretending to be a noob helps town in any way shape or form. You think he was messing around for shits and giggles. I think Khell is better than that and had an agenda. I didn't ask you to agree with me that the symp is dead, I used this point to help illustrate why I am hold the beliefs that I do.

[Eldat Pressen]

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

Who was laughing? Mostly it just pissed people off enough to vote for him. and if you are to be believed, waste a day and vote off an inno. Sorry, but I play these games to win, shitting on the thread and getting yourself killed cause it's fun does a disservice to the other players who are actually trying for their team.

[Eldat Pressen]

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Back.

Firstly, grudge lists should never be out of fashion.

Pretty interesting about the Serc thing. As you say, kill speculation gets WIFOM awfully quickly, but I do agree that they often aren't random.

I've mentioned Monok before as coasting, and he still seems to be. He has posted a little more to do with the thread though.

If parroting points that you and trake made is considered contribution, yeah I guess.

[Kilava]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

He doesn't have to symp someone in particular. As long as the thread is directed at him, it's off his masters.

This is true, but I'm not really sure he would do it. The benefit is that it gives his masters a ride through day 1. The trade off is the loss of a member of the scum team. It's possible, but I'm not sure I think it's likely he'd think that was worth it. Symps can be very valuable. Also, it was early in the day when he started doing it, most people hadn't really had much heat, and there wasn't anyone I'd call a strong lynch candidate. It would seem more likely if he had done it later on, as that might suggest he actually needed to redirect. Can't say it seems very likely that he'd choose to do it from the start just to make sure his masters got through day one.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Eldat Pressen said:

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Trake said:

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Eldat Pressen said:

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Monok's last 6 or so posts. Are you kidding me? Nothing of substance. Nothing to indicate one way or another if they are scum or inno. No application of pressure on anyone. Just one post of subtly defending of Kilava. I am not sure if he is a bored inno, or a low laying Killer. I think Khell was the symp, and even if he wasn't Monok is doing nothing that a symp would do. I just fear making it to end game with players like Monok. How are we supposed to glean anything from gems like these?

I do not think that khell was a symp. I think that he was just messing about, because he could. If you think that he was a symp who do you think he was symping? If you think that he was a symp then you should be attacking the person who you think he was symping as that would be your prime suspect for scum. Saying that he was the symp makes it easy to ignore and deflect other possible sympage in the game. Town can never know if they lynched a symp until the game is over.

It is suspicious to me that you are attempting to say that the symp is already dead.

He doesn't have to symp someone in particular. As long as the thread is directed at him, it's off his masters. I think Khell is a good player, I fail to see how pretending to be a noob helps town in any way shape or form. You think he was messing around for shits and giggles. I think Khell is better than that and had an agenda. I didn't ask you to agree with me that the symp is dead, I used this point to help illustrate why I am hold the beliefs that I do.

Eldat Pressen said:

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Trake said:

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Monok Ochem said:

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agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

Who was laughing? Mostly it just pissed people off enough to vote for him. and if you are to be believed, waste a day and vote off an inno. Sorry, but I play these games to win, shitting on the thread and getting yourself killed cause it's fun does a disservice to the other players who are actually trying for their team.

Heh. What he said.

[Kilava]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

Who was laughing? Mostly it just pissed people off enough to vote for him. and if you are to be believed, waste a day and vote off an inno. Sorry, but I play these games to win, shitting on the thread and getting yourself killed cause it's fun does a disservice to the other players who are actually trying for their team.

In hindsight, it does have a funny side. It's a total pain in game terms, but I did send a bitchy PM to the mods because I'd wasted my time explaining a bunch of mafia basics on the off chance he was a noob.

He perhaps thought it wouldn't draw the heat it did or just thought his lynch was inevitable because he was the first proper person to get pressure, and that often means getting lynched on day one.

On a less likely note, he maybe thought it would help by spurring the game on. Wouldn't be the first time someone's done something stupid to try and stir up the game.

The way he acted does fit better with a symp better than town, but that has it's own problems, particularly as to what he was trying to achieve.

Just all round, as a play, doesn't make much sense.

[Monok Ochem]

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Back.

Firstly, grudge lists should never be out of fashion.

Pretty interesting about the Serc thing. As you say, kill speculation gets WIFOM awfully quickly, but I do agree that they often aren't random.

I've mentioned Monok before as coasting, and he still seems to be. He has posted a little more to do with the thread though.

If parroting points that you and trake made is considered contribution, yeah I guess.

nobody said I was contributing, get it straight. At least I not playing "smooth" though, right?

If we're going to WIFOM a little about Khell and Serc, let's go all the way and come up with wild theories.

I'll start: Khell was really the symp, he gambled and decided to play it to the end hoping for the old "scum would never play that way" and be considered mostly inno, but I saw through it and cast the vital weighted L-1. Serc was hit because the killer is inexperienced and the partner is too, or wasn't around to say "Hey go after the talky ones" so that really means that the 2 top posters must be partners (since the rule of reversal is in effect this game ie: 101) and we are doomed with no proof and no one will ever believe me because I'm a filthy low poster game solved, well played scum, let's start a new sign up

[Monok Ochem]

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

agree with Trake, but have no idea why he would have went through all that crap just for fun

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

Who was laughing? Mostly it just pissed people off enough to vote for him. and if you are to be believed, waste a day and vote off an inno. Sorry, but I play these games to win, shitting on the thread and getting yourself killed cause it's fun does a disservice to the other players who are actually trying for their team.

In hindsight, it does have a funny side. It's a total pain in game terms, but I did send a bitchy PM to the mods because I'd wasted my time explaining a bunch of mafia basics on the off chance he was a noob.

He perhaps thought it wouldn't draw the heat it did or just thought his lynch was inevitable because he was the first proper person to get pressure, and that often means getting lynched on day one.

On a less likely note, he maybe thought it would help by spurring the game on. Wouldn't be the first time someone's done something stupid to try and stir up the game.

The way he acted does fit better with a symp better than town, but that has it's own problems, particularly as to what he was trying to achieve.

Just all round, as a play, doesn't make much sense.

Don't be mad, I can always use the lesson even if everybody else is a pro master 3rd degree

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 14 hours 16 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

2 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse


Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Pallid, Spite, Trake 

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 15 May 2013 - 09:56 PM

[Kilava]

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

1 vote Kalse: Kilava
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse
1 vote Kalse: Eldat Pressen

That's an odd way of putting things

This post has been edited by Kilava: 15 May 2013 - 09:53 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

1 vote Kalse: Kilava
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse
1 vote Kalse: Eldat Pressen

That's an odd way of putting things

I have no idea what you're talking about....