Denul, on 21 May 2013 - 05:42 AM, said:
Spite, on 20 May 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:
Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:
Denul, on 20 May 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:
Right now I feel like I'd rather lose the game responding to scummy behaviour/poor play from town than lose the game for ignoring it.
Very much in the same boat.
I just can't see how we can ignore something like a no lynch that happens because one person fucks off leaving their vote elsewhere and another chooses not to hammer himself. If we lose because town decided to play like that, there's sod all to be done about it, we have to follow up the strongest indication of scum, and at the moment, my opinion is that the no lynch is the most sound evidence we've had by a clear margin.
You and Anthras BOTH screwed around not wanting to vote for me until it looked like there was no choice. You finally swap to me, Anthras claims he didn't make it back in time but probably just didn't want to be the hammer, Monok drops the potential hammer vote a while after the day ended and said he didn't realize it was too late, and you go all out trying to convince me to kill myself. That entire scenario was messed up, and I'm the least worrisome of it, and you're focusing on me? You're doing a complete 180 from how you played the game at first and now. Are you so close to your win that you're willing to keep saying it was the wrong play to not kill myself? I'm not messing with you when I say I honestly can't believe you're trying to convince me I should have killed myself, when that single action could save the game for town. You've changed the way you've played and thought here near the end. I don't like it, Kilava. I wanted to trust you the whole game. I helped sway the lynch to Kalse over you because I felt you were more likely town, but now I just can't trust you. I'm hoping we lynch you, but if we don't and we still lynch a killer and you are part of that, then maybe I could believe you, but you could always throw your partner under the bus. We should of listened to everyone else that worried over you and are now dead.
Even if Kilava does turn out to be scum, you still should have hammered yourself. If you turn out to be scum I'll understand,
but if you're inno Imma fucking pissed. As a direct result of your refusal to contribute to your lynch we now have to consider that you may be scum on D-Day. If you're innocent you're just a distraction during the most important game in the day. As town you're supposed to do what's best for town, even if that means contributing to leaving the game early yourself.
Be pissed then! Because I sure as heck am. This is stupid. If I was scum, I'd want that town to kill himself. If I'm town, I don't want another town to kill himself, no way. I don't see me ever being in a situation, where I know my faction is town/innocent, that I would want to kill myself. So how is it that someone is supposed to learn this? Where does it say this? I don't think you're scum, but I do Kilava, so I don't get your angle here. I've looked everywhere to see if Kilava was telling the truth, because this is a huge factor in who I feel I should vote for. His prodding me to kill myself is what seems to be his big slip up, in my opinion. I feel like he's covering for his action by taking up this argument and trying to play it off as common mafia knowledge. Well there's nothing but debate over this topic everywhere I look. Google this yourself. Nearly every site either condemns it, of is trying to figure it out themselves. After the game I'll look into it even further, but I'm not buying something that goes against all the logic I have, and nearly every site I goto.
What about you, Denul? Do you actually believe this to be true yourself, or are you defending Kilava? It just seems like you could be defending him. For the sake of argument, assume I was dead. How do you see Kilava? Is he not scummy to you, and if not, who are your top choices for scum. You haven't really told us much about how you've felt in this game. You've just coasted by saying very little. You spoke up about Thyr, but that's it. If you think I'm scum fine, but who is my partner? Do you see someone as a possible symp? Come on, tell us what you think besides just bashing on the rest of us for putting ourselves out there.
This is from a website about mafia tactics.
" Do not go gently into that good night.
Lynching a Townie is a bad thing in general, but lynching a confirmed Townie is worse. To yourself, you ARE a confirmed Townie. While getting lynched is not the end of the world, the fact is that getting lynched is the one thing you can guarantee will hinder your faction. Do not acquiesce to your lynch unless it would be clearly anti-Town to do otherwise
(although those situations are not common).
Along these same lines,
the occasions where it's pro-Town to self-hammer as Town are extremely limited, and offing yourself out of spite toward the (evident) morons who are about to lynch you isn't one of those occasions. Even if the wagon on you is mostly Town, you still have to win with them in the end, so stay helpful."
Are the uncommon and extremely limited times a town hammers themselves every single time the lynch is needed? If so, then why don't they say that? Also, if it's so rare, when does one learn? In the end, it could be written in a million different places, even though it's not written hardly anywhere, and I still disagree.
We aren't a single step closer to figuring this out as we were yesterday. Yesterday, it got late, I had two votes, and another added there's , not because they felt I was scum but because we needed a lynch. We are doing so good, right? Kilava and Anthras acted like they didn't even want to vote for me for whatever reason, and Kilava finally switched only last minute to get the lynch. He also didn't think I was scum, or at least wasn't saying it. So instead of getting lynched, which was obviously not even one of our most thought out choices anyway, I live. I live, thinking what a good turn of events for both me and town and then get attacked because I didn't believe it was in our best interest to hammer myself. Kilava seems to me to be the scum trying to appear helpful, but pulling strings and directing lynches. He doesn't really have any decent cases on town so he comes up with this. He hasn't voted for me, and hasn't said he would do so. No one else has expressed desires to vote for me, so this isn't about votes. It's about not getting bullied and following through on what I thought was right, but none of this matters to anyone.
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There. Lynch me, then you guys can hunt scum and win, right. I lost all interest. I wish I had died now. I'm still not accepting blame after the game. Have fun.
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