[Ruse]

If Kilava was lynched here I would have went for Pallid next. Yet Pallid's behaviour since has not looked scummy because they haven't been around. Not just that but again RL reason got in their way. Pallid/Anthras and/or Trake for scum after Kilava I think.

Ruse, on 15 May 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Wow.

If Thyr is faking I want to give that guy an Oscar.

I'd be willing to vote for Denul, Trake, Spite, Thyrllan, Serc, Ryadd for all different reasons. Nothing big though as it's only day one. Denul for initial vote that started this mess, Trake for his aggressive play when confronted, Spite for coasting along voting with the flow not adding much, thyrllan in case signalling was right, Serc for seemingly.fake symping me, he had been too agreeable with me and follows my vote, and Ryadd because I think he is the actual symp.

Who do you think Ryadd is symping, and wouldn't it be more sensible to vote them than him?

Okay then

Vote Kilava and Pallid

remove vote

vote Kilava

[Ruse]

just putting this out there. At this point a lot of people are clambering for Kilava. Mockra, Eldat, Kalse, Myself, Pallid, he was garnering a lot of heat but it swung away. Why? This would have been a huge lynch for town, it would have given us a lot of information. I think we ended up lynching Kalse. Why? We really punched ourselves in the dick here.

Firstly Monok shows disinterest.

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

ok, back for today

I can't see the thread for the giant crowd of Kilava boners, seriously, I'll read some of that in a little while

Trake is next to show disinterest in a Kilava lynch

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was town and Khellendros.

This almost makes up for the fact that he wasn't scum. It does take some of the shine off of lynching him with him having played the entire day as a newb who accidentally wandered into a mafia game. But still any Khell lynch is a good lynch.


Kilva I don't get either case. Ruse stands out to me as more suspicious but that just might be because his cases and comments don't make any sense. I am crazy busy in RL today but hopefully I will be able to get on and see if a case can be made.

Mockra reiterates his case on Kilava.

Eldat votes Monok. He thinks so far that the Kilava case is "too easy"

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Vote Monok Ochem


I just caught up. Worthless poster is worthless. Maybe in the Vein of a HO type scum player? I don't know. But day 2 is the time to get rid of low/worthless posters regardless of if you have a strong case. It's early enough that it doesn't harm town too much, and it removes them from the possibility of being involved in late game decisions of which they will either not take part or be...worthless.


So having caught up. I still trust trake (trust being a relative term...I'm not CIing him or anything), I actually liked Pallid's posts. I am leaning towards trusting Ruse... but his quote case against Kilava seem s a bit easy. Like he senses the tide growing against her and wants to add momentum. I am on the fence about Ruse. Kalse is another worthless poster and I don't have a good feel or read. I would be willing to vote them in the same vein as I am voting Monok. Awesome if we lynch scum, not so bad if they are town, as how much help are they going to be end game. I don't trust Ryadd and he is definitely playing to the role of moderate posting scum. I am willing to vote him. Anthras, Denul Spite..still waiting to get an impression. Though I am leaning inno on Denul.

Posts like this make me think Monok is town

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

wait, I'm around while my name is being mentioned...

It's Day 2, it's customary to reserve low-poster hunts or accusations of smoothness until a little later, guys, gonna have to get Tapper to update his tutorial

This post is antagonistic and can pull people into voting for him.

Eldat says that Kilava must be lynched...

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

You realize, of course, that you are now in the position that you have to be lynched, or the scum will just keep you around to cause discord and make us waste a lynch on WIFOM down the line. Sucks to be you.

Same again with Monok here, deliberately rude. Defense mechanism or showing us he doesn't care?

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

wait, I'm around while my name is being mentioned...

It's Day 2, it's customary to reserve low-poster hunts or accusations of smoothness until a little later, guys, gonna have to get Tapper to update his tutorial

Yet another wonderfully insightful post. Thank you for your input.

So you suggest waiting for day 3-4 to get rid of worthless/useless (you) posters? This is a 14 player game. (you might not know this because you are to busy thinking up snarky comments...so you're welcome). If you wait 3-4 days you are already at D-day.

any charge for this insightful analysis? I will have my people wire the funds directly to your fat head And so you know, snark is generated on a random basis, I devote no effort to its creation, a gift really

but then he does defend Kilava

Monok Ochem, on 15 May 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

I do not like Eldat's move to make the Kilava lynch seem mandatory

Eldat, Monok, Trake, are all posting. Trake says that Eldat is suspicious

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Monok's last 6 or so posts. Are you kidding me? Nothing of substance. Nothing to indicate one way or another if they are scum or inno. No application of pressure on anyone. Just one post of subtly defending of Kilava. I am not sure if he is a bored inno, or a low laying Killer. I think Khell was the symp, and even if he wasn't Monok is doing nothing that a symp would do. I just fear making it to end game with players like Monok. How are we supposed to glean anything from gems like these?

I do not think that khell was a symp. I think that he was just messing about, because he could. If you think that he was a symp who do you think he was symping? If you think that he was a symp then you should be attacking the person who you think he was symping as that would be your prime suspect for scum. Saying that he was the symp makes it easy to ignore and deflect other possible sympage in the game. Town can never know if they lynched a symp until the game is over.

It is suspicious to me that you are attempting to say that the symp is already dead.

What if Eldat was the symp and he done a good job of deflecting away from Kilava? Why? He starts train on Kalse. He makes us think that Kilava's train is too easy and that it is inevitable, which provoked Monok's reaction to disagree with him.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

It is now Day 2. 14 hours 16 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night.

2 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen
3 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis, Ruse


Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Pallid, Spite, Trake

Here we go. Eldat voted for Kilava day one, but day two follows his vote when Kilava is being voted.

[Ruse]

defense again of Kilava by Anthras and agrees with voting Kalse.

Anthras, on 15 May 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

All right, I've caught up. As in my last post, I am not convinced on the Kilava case (even with recent additions to the case). I should mention that I will be low posting during the week as I only have about an hour per night to play mafia. If low posting will get me lynched, I'm shit out of luck. That said, I do try to keep up with the game as best I can.

Mockra, on 15 May 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

My case against Kilava is based on Day 1 playstyle. Kilava intentionally takes up the banner of a thoughtful, analytic townie, who tries to remain calm when attacked with votes, who tries to critique other's thoughts, and who shouts down the stupid and inane for confusing everyone and preventing meaningful discussion.

This playstyle is a choice, and on Day 1 appears heavy handed and contrived to me (and others). Thus, the case against Kilava is based on the presumed assumption that Kilava is trying to blend in by giving the appearance of a good townie, above suspicion and too valuable to lynch. It is a fairly easy role to fake in my experience (given my playstyle doesn't change much, regardless of my role status, RI or Scum) and done right, people can get through the game misguiding town.

Fortunately, played too earnestly, or nervously (as in Kilava's case, as mentioned by Ruse), the playstyle smells wrong, and inconsistencies, however tenuous, crop up. Kilava fits the bill of someone using the playstyle to hide in plain sight, not as a natural, innocent, helpful townie with nothing to hide.

That is why I vote Kilava and will push to see her lynched today.

I want to like Mockra's case, more so than some of the others that I found to be less than convincing. Mockra's case makes sense, but goes against hard evidence. Most cases in mafia rely on evidence in thread, and this case deals with general agreement on how a seasoned and intelligent player would play scum. Kilava seems to fit the bill with regards to intelligence. My only issue with this idea is that it is based on information that could just as well point to an effective town player, and ultimately boils down to the "smooth" argument.

Pressen, on 13 May 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Vote Kalse


This does 3 things, it removes a low poster, it gives us info on a person multiple people have expressed an opinion on, and it help shed light on Kilava without actually lynching them. If Kalse comes back scum then we can almost certainly PI Kilava. If Kalse comes back inno, not much info in regards to Kilava other than she was persistant towards lynching an inno... but in M&P that's the norm rather than the exception.

I still wouldn't mind a Monok vote though as I am loathe to have him be involved in endgame.

I'm not completely against a Kalse vote. A few of you have made some decent cases against Kalse and a potential association with Kilava. But I'm not necessarily convinced Kilava is scum, and as such I feel that it may be more likely that Kalse will come up inno if the presumed association does not exist. And as Pressen says, if Kalse is in fact inno, we don't really get anywhere. To Pressen specifically, why are you worried about Monok being involved late game? His style rub you the wrong way?

Edit: Pressen! (thanks monok), not Serc, not Ruse. Too tired for this shit.

[Ruse]

Anthras, on 16 May 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

I won't be around until tomorrow, so I'll drop a vote.

vote Kalse


I've been thinking on it, and though I may not be entirely convinced, Mockra's case is still intriguing, as is Pressen's reasoning for voting Kalse. We have the least to lose by Pressen's reasoning, and if Kalse turns up scum it adds to Mockra's case against Kilava.

edit: removed word

Anthras then even it up. Anthras who could well be Kilava's partner knows that Kalse will come up innocent. Uses that to vindicate Kilava. Later uses the same reasoning.

[Ruse]

Pallid comes on and votes for Kalse. However he/she does show interest in a potential Kilava lynch...

Pallid, on 16 May 2013 - 05:19 AM, said:

Ok, I'm on for a bit.

vote Kalse

I'd be willing to switch to Monok as well. My eye is still on Kilava/Trake, but again, I agree with Pressen that Ruse seems to be taking advantage of the train on Kilava. Which is odd, since most of his posting seems to be about me.

See here, Eldat's move paid off. Pallid does not want to vote Kilava because it seems too easy.

[Ruse]

Kilava your failed lynch is the biggest thing we have seen indicating scum. After the above it was inevitable that Kalse was going to get lynched.

I am 100% certain of you turning out to be a killer.

[Denul]

Okay, I'm seeing the terribad cases thing people were talking about now...

[Ruse]

Denul, on 21 May 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Okay, I'm seeing the terribad cases thing people were talking about now...

I am sorry. I think I caught the good bit towards the end here. Kilava was touted as a possible lynch and we ended up lynching Kalse. Go back yourself to that point and look at who was around and why we ended up voting elsewhere. Anthras, Trake, Eldat and Monok were the ones discussing things at this point.

[Ruse]

My main point here is the defense of Kilava by Anthras. Day one seen three people vote for Kilava at varying stages. Day two, after finding out the two CF's, Anthras' first post is to defend Kilava, make him look townie. He has done this throughout the game.

[Ruse]

To Quote Anthras

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Some minor cases, some major (Trake, Kilava, Pallid). Ruse is clearly looking to confuse and misdirect at every opportunity.

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Why are you siding with Ruse over Kilava here? Christ, how does Kilava keep getting heat for playing the game properly and coherently?

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Kilava calls them out for their bullshit. How did we let Ruse get away with this even after Kilava drew attention to it? If there is one scum directing the thread discussion (I'm assuming there's one in the spotlight, and one in the low posters -- seems like the most intelligent scum approach, especially after game 99), it seems that Ruse fits the bill for the outspoken scum. Tries to build cases on gut feelings, inconsistent behaviour, and deliberate use of language to mislead the thread.

Addressing Kilava

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I thought it more likely that you were a good town player, but the Kalse lynch was a way to check a potential symp case, while at the same time dealing with a possible scum hiding among the low posters. As is, I'm pretty sure you're town.

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Several of his posts have come off as strange, especially those trying to push the idea that Kilava is scum (which I find doubtful at this point, since we semi-tested this with the Kalse lynch).

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I won't be around until tomorrow, so I'll drop a vote.

vote Kalse


I've been thinking on it, and though I may not be entirely convinced, Mockra's case is still intriguing, as is Pressen's reasoning for voting Kalse. We have the least to lose by Pressen's reasoning, and if Kalse turns up scum it adds to Mockra's case against Kilava.

edit: removed word

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All right, I've caught up. As in my last post, I am not convinced on the Kilava case

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I do not see how Kilava actually contributing in a meaningful fashion to the game is scummy. "Too smooth?" If smooth is applying pressure and building cases, then I guess Kilava is guilty. But then, that is how town is supposed to play

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What a confusing mess to catch up on. Anything I wanted to respond to has already been said by others, especially Kilava in response to Trake.

These are some of the ones that I have quickly found.

[Denul]

Waaaahhhh what even is this. Anthras is Kilava's partner because Eldat stalled Kilava's lynch by suggesting it's neccessary?

Also is Anthras' constant defence Kilava really that feasible as a partner suggestion? Are scum as dumb as town this game?


What is this and why am here?

[Denul]

You're right though, Anthras is a bit Kilava obsessed. Kinda like Trake. And they're both on the death-to-Ruse wagon too.
Hmm.

Too many thing to think about and most of them inaccurate no doubt.

[Ruse]

Denul, on 21 May 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Waaaahhhh what even is this. Anthras is Kilava's partner because Eldat stalled Kilava's lynch by suggesting it's neccessary?

Also is Anthras' constant defence Kilava really that feasible as a partner suggestion? Are scum as dumb as town this game?


What is this and why am here?

Kilava's lynch train stalled, stopped and went somewhere else. Why do you think it was? The Eldat thing was a stretch. Anthras defending Kilava each time Kilava got heat is not suspicious to you?

[Ruse]

A horrible thought I do not want to entertain is Anthras and Trake scum. Kilava town. They keep us around because we bite at each others heels.

[Denul]

Ruse, on 21 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Denul, on 21 May 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Waaaahhhh what even is this. Anthras is Kilava's partner because Eldat stalled Kilava's lynch by suggesting it's neccessary?

Also is Anthras' constant defence Kilava really that feasible as a partner suggestion? Are scum as dumb as town this game?


What is this and why am here?

Kilava's lynch train stalled, stopped and went somewhere else. Why do you think it was? The Eldat thing was a stretch. Anthras defending Kilava each time Kilava got heat is not suspicious to you?

inb4u

scroll up motherfucka!

[Ruse]

Denul do you know how long is left?

[Denul]

Hah, on both counts.

[Denul]

Ruse, on 21 May 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Denul do you know how long is left?

Nooope, but I'm sure you're perfectly capable of finding PS's last update. Since you're so helpful at finding all them quotes.

Speaking of PS tho, where is that lazy fucker Khell? Shouldn't he be updating shit for us? Laaaaaazyyyyy

[Ruse]

Denul, on 21 May 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

You're right though, Anthras is a bit Kilava obsessed. Kinda like Trake. And they're both on the death-to-Ruse wagon too.
Hmm.

Too many thing to think about and most of them inaccurate no doubt.

I don't care much for the accusations against me, they are mostly correct. I have been pointing fingers and looking for scum, so many different direction and I find multiple things suspicious. I do want us to lynch and have been on all the trains. I admit to not being the most clever but I think I have found scum in Anthras/Trake/Kilava. If I am wrong, I'd prefer to be wrong about Kilava than take a stab in the dark with Anthras/Trake, they have both been away for too long this game to gain credibility in winning as scum. Kilava has had his whole hand in the pie, never mind his fingers.

[Khellendros]

Did someone call my name?