[Mockra]

you did a Thyr dude. Bold.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Mockra said:

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you did a Thyr dude. Bold.

Thank you.
Vote Kilava

[Kilava]

Mockra, on 15 May 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Let's take a different tack: Killers need to remain alive as long as possible to win the game. To do so, more often than not, they will take the safest route to victory, which means avoiding getting lynched.

Typically there are two types of player that are near impossible to get enough consensus on to vote off the island:

1) The super townie - face it, most people are lazy and if there are good cases they don't have to make, they slide with it. And if someone is doing all the thinking and legwork, that person gets a free pass. Moreover, when played correctly, it is nigh impossible to lynch a helpful, reasonable, calm player.

2) The dirty lowposter - with nothing to build a case on, there is no case. And people don't want to waste time on someone not making the effort or not providing enough material to build conviction in the voting body.

Now, I am still reading through the thread again, but I have noticed that you take on Trake early on (nice position with Trake being the irritating, irrational one and you filling his yang with your yin). Moreover, you vote for the clown, which is nice and scummy given that Trake is easily day 1 lynchable, Grade A meat. When has a noisy ass like Trake ever been scum (rarely, if you wish me to answer my own rhetoricals). Also, you really like the word "strawmanning" which is kind of funny since combating Trake gives you a good-guy status in the eyes of the thread, your own personal whipping boy, so to speak.

You prod Kalse with a vote, eventually build a case on him (also very difficult given he fits the type 2 form of scummy play), and just hang out, sitting on the vote. That's when things start to close up on Thyr, and you join the prodding.

The other thing that really gets me is your love of summaries. I believe you've done more than two so far. What was it that was said about scum and lists? Again, who wants to lynch the helpful townie who saves everyone from reading through the thread over and over. Plus, it makes you look meticulous and thoughtful.

In summary, one of the best places for a killer is guiding the thread, thinking for people, looking objective, and playing at suspicion when you know perfectly well who are the bad guys are.

And as for killing your symp, Kalse, you wouldn't be the first to throw one under the bus if they are causing more harm than good.

So what you're saying is that I've been helpful and reasonable but that's scummy. I'm getting the impression that regardless of the objective facts, you're going to interpret whatever I do in a negative light because you're getting all tunnel visioned. Or in your eyes I suppose, committed, since apparently looking at more than one person is scummy.

I voted Trake because I felt he over-reacted. At that point, he was being somewhat hostile, but his filling of the irritating irrational role came mostly after I posted that he over-reacted. Voting people for over-reacting is not uncommon. Scum who over-react are not uncommon, in fact it's probably the most common type of case we see. Noisy, obnoxious scum are not uncommon, precisely because of the belief that they wouldn't put themselves out there like that.

You seem to be projecting ideas onto me here that there is little evidence for. A few people agreed with my points. That hardly makes me "the good guy of the thread". It just meant that they actually decided to comment on what was happening on thread, so were bound to come down on one side of it.

I take objection to the use of the word "eventually" about my building a case on Kalse. I stated straight with my vote why I was voting. I then simply expanded my point with more examples to show exactly what I was talking about. A minute ago it was a problem that I wasn't pushing him enough, now you're complaining because I expanded my case? Which is it?

As for summaries, when people ask "hey, please explain this", what is your issue with me then explaining it?

I am simply posting my thoughts on the thread, and trying to provoke discussion. You're tunnel-visioned, paranoid, and full of shit.

[Kilava]

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 May 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

I think that that is where Kilava had an 'oh shit' moment and realized that Thyr really was the symp.

Vote Kilava

I realised he was the symp and then what?

[Kilava]

Mockra, on 15 May 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

And as for killing your symp, Kalse, you wouldn't be the first to throw one under the bus if they are causing more harm than good.

What harm was he causing me?

Dude wasn't even posting till I voted him.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 34 hours 49 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

1 vote Kalse: Kilava
2 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake 

[Kilava]

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 May 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

Damn, Thyr was Khell?
Khell, you suck and you're a jerk.

Actually he doesn't and he isn't. He's pretty good. And he's especially good at surviving.

Yeah, that's how he got his title.

Don't suck the dead guys dick, it's disgusting.

I do agree that it's plausible he was the symp though. Or just realised he was screwed and decided to go out in a funny manner, can't say it'd surprise me.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Kilava said:

1368581456[/url]' post='1055150']

I do agree that it's plausible he was the symp though. Or just realised he was screwed and decided to go out in a funny manner, can't say it'd surprise me.

As i understand it, he got his title because he unintentionally fucks his team up. Doing things like, for example, deciding it'd be fun to pretend to be the noob and having it blow up in his face on a silly day one case.

[Kilava]

Ryadd Eleis, on 15 May 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Kilava, on 15 May 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

I do agree that it's plausible he was the symp though. Or just realised he was screwed and decided to go out in a funny manner, can't say it'd surprise me.

As i understand it, he got his title because he unintentionally fucks his team up. Doing things like, for example, deciding it'd be fun to pretend to be the noob and having it blow up in his face on a silly day one case.

Yeah.

Though my point was more that his reputation is not for his survival.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 34 hours 4 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

1 vote Kalse: Kilava
2 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake  


I am heading to bed, next update in the morning!

[Anthras]

Damn sorry all for missing the lynch timer. I have a very narrow window of time to play the game. From what I can tell, Khell probably acted as he did for shits and giggles. That was an odd way to play, symp or no symp. If we assume he was a symp, what was he interested in achieving? Might be worth going back and looking for reasons for Thyr to direct attention away someone and on to himself. But there were a few small cases being thrown about, and nothing suggested the need for distracting noobery, as far as I can tell.

I do not see how Kilava actually contributing in a meaningful fashion to the game is scummy. "Too smooth?" If smooth is applying pressure and building cases, then I guess Kilava is guilty. But then, that is how town is supposed to play. Some of Mockra's points make sense, but I feel that they become more relevant mid game. The post is a page back, but these parts are interesting (I should just go grab the damn post, but I have the tab opened anyway):

"The other thing that really gets me is your love of summaries. I believe you've done more than two so far. What was it that was said about scum and lists? Again, who wants to lynch the helpful townie who saves everyone from reading through the thread over and over. Plus, it makes you look meticulous and thoughtful. In summary, one of the best places for a killer is guiding the thread, thinking for people, looking objective, and playing at suspicion when you know perfectly well who are the bad guys are."

These are actually good points, but only really useful later on in game. If Kilava were to only provide thread summaries for a couple days, then I might get behind this argument. But as is, day one, Kilava has provided summaries and cases, even willing to pressure people on those cases. And Mockra's point about a killer directing the thread is a very real possibility. The last small game actually had Khell, I believe, leading the thread the entire game and picking us apart. We might be a little early to be accusing anyone of directing the thread, but we need to make damn sure not to overlook this point.


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This post has been edited by Anthras: 15 May 2013 - 02:17 AM

[Eldat Pressen]

Don't have time to post much tonight.

Seeing that it was Khell that got lynched makes me think he had to be the symp. Why else would he play like that? It certainly wasn't a townie move and Khell is to smart and solid of a player to just fuck town over like that. (Don't tell him I said that)

I guess it's good that serc was the NK for me as I had him high on my scum list... I still think Kilava is possible scum, and if not him, maybe someone like Anthras who has posted very little (that I remember). If we did lynch Kiliva and he came back inno, I would give much more credence to his Ruse/Kalse combo. So... I guess I am sitting on the fence between Kalse/Kilava as my vote as I feel it would give us the most info.

I really don't think Trake is scum, he was willing to mix it up. I am more willing to give the people mixing it up a pass over those that are being agreeable. It's a RI's role to express opinions. It puts pressure on the scum and gives the other Ri's something to look back on as we approach D-day. My posts tomorrow will center around who I trust and don't trust at this moment. It would be nice if everyone else did the same. The more info we have on thread, the better.

Thats all for now.

[Pallid]

Hmm, so I don't like the accusations thrown around about "playing smoothly" - it's the same shit as "oh you made a list!" .... so? Not very indicative of anything, really.

BUT, I thought it might be useful to look at how we got to voting Thyr, especially if we think he's symp. He was inno and VERY distracting, so that's mildly sympy - I think it was just chance Denul joke-voted him, but the way he played afterwards could easily have veered from that due to other cases being made. So I decided I would look back to when there was suspicion about Thyr NOT for being voted, but for being ridiculous.

In addition - Mockra's reasoning towards some of Kilava's actions are interesting and worth looking into, so I've looked back at Kilava's posts. I also suspect Kalse, but if not him.. I'm willing to look at Trake again due to the following quotes.

ANYWAYS:
First, a spat between Kilava and Trake - very back and forth, both on at around the same time... almost rehearsed? At least, with my mafia paranoia setting in, it suddenly seems that way. I encourage the rest of the thread to go back and re-read all of that. (also, it started with me prodding Trake, him immediately over-reacting and Kilava commenting on that reaction - this over-reaction could easily start in any manner and with any poster, allowing Kilava to jump in and comment on it to distance).

Kilava leaves, seemingly still set on Trake - then later, Thyr "slips up" and Kilava returns to make these comments:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

For someone playing the confused inno, Thyr still does manage to pull out the standard response to symp cases (based on someone elses actions etc), rather coolly.

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:10 AM, said:

Also asking to be found is a poor show. Particularly before the finder (if there was one) is actually revealed.

Not sure if I buy this. I mean, if he's a confused inno, it seems to me that he would be more likely to be well acquainted with the OP, rather than missing information from it.

Path-Shaper, on 14 May 2013 - 02:20 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 23 hours remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

2 votes Trake: Ruse, Kilava
1 vote Thyrllan: Trake,
1 vote Kilava: Kalse
1 vote Serc: Eldat Pressen


Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Ryadd Eleis, Serc, Spite, Thyrllan

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

I'm off to bed. Happy enough with my vote that I'm going to leave it on. At this stage, I'd be happy to vote Thyr, less for the Denul symp possibility and more for playing the noob card.


- snip -

Eh, so despite her vote still being on Trake, she leaves that^ and only later switches.

Also, if Thyr was symp, the noob card is yet another convenient and obvious "lynch-me-hi-I'm-a-distraction," and let's our Trake v. Kilava fest break up to go watch Thyr flop around. Again - too convenient, or am I being paranoid? I mean, a symp could see their two scum having at each other, and possibly decide to help distance the three of them by being an ridiculous noob? Then she doesn't even vote Thyrl.

This may all be too far-fetched, and I'm not too sure about Trake being scum just yet.

BUT, then this part is interesting:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

Spite, on 14 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

I can't make up my mind if thyr is screwing with us or not. I think we just got lucky this time with Denul voting Thyrllan even if Denul was just messing about. I think it seems too obvious now that thyr just got caught up and didn't know how to get out of it. Just blame it all on Denul, Thyr. Even if we were unsure about thyr, his "act" real or not, demands checking out, especially for a first day case. I'm wondering, if thyr does come back scum do we go ahead and lynch Denul as possible symp or not.

Agreed that at this stage, we're going to need to check it.

Less sure on Denul. Personally, I feel that the way he's acted is the better reason to vote him. Otoh, if he is scum, then that particular interaction definitely bears more looking at. Wouldn't go ahead and vote Denul straight away, but would definitely look at his interactions for other suspects. But then, I feel Denul has played pretty circumspect. Not sure how much/how good any info from his interactions would be, particularly once it was obvious Thyr was going down.

Best to wait till the CF anyhow.

OK, so Denul is playing strangely, but it seemed general thread consensus that if he's anything besides inno, it's sympy (distracting with fake-symping torwards Thyrll). So she would want to go after a sympy person? Not sure honestly, but if that's the case, then:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Sorry dude, but the killers already know each other. They get off thread communications.

M&P mafia usually works as a small group of scum who know each other (symp knows killers, killers almost never know symp), vs a large group of town who don't know anything about peoples alignment.

Also, your method is going to be biased towards people with more/longer posts.

Oh right. So you think that Ruse and Serc are not the killers then? But if killers don't know the symp then Trake could still be the symp, right? So I think then that we should lynch Trake because he would still be scum.

Vote Trake

I'm pretty unsure on Ruse. His initial vote on Trake was kind of weird, as was some of the logic following it.
Serc has been very low key, which is probably the most suspicious thing about him.
Trake could be the symp. He came on and played pretty aggressively, drew attention. Ruse earlier accused him of immediately coming on pointing fingers, which could fit with symp. But since symps show up as inno, there's not that much point voting him for it. Also he has been drawing people into the game and getting reactions, which is usually good for the town. The most suspicious thing about him remains some of his earlier over-reactions. Seems to have quieted down somewhat, which could be because he got some pressure for being obnoxious, or could just be because he doesn't have anything he feels like arguing about atm.

So let's not vote Trake because even if he's scummy, it would be sympy. Again, not sure how she was referring to Denul up there, but it's worth paying attention to. The rest of her quote brings up Serc again, who was killed (a good way to distance? mention the Night's target a lot so that it's OBVIOUS you didn't have him killed! Or is that over-thinking it?):

Quote

Currently I'm more inclined to go for the people who seem to be trying to keep their heads down. Since day one can have pretty shaky or random lynches, and often the more vocal people are targets just because there is info on them, scum often do keep their heads down, more than on other days even. Of the people you listed, Serc would probably fit that profile closest.

It's why I'm voting Kalse. He's been keeping his head down, and doing it in a manner that seems artificial to me.

A bit more to come....

[Pallid]

Ok, I bring up this last chunk of Kilava quote only because of the constant mentions of Trake, and yet no true decision to do anything about it. If Trake is so scummy, why not leave your vote on him? Why willingly distract yourself with Kalse, and then also give plenty of attention towards Thyrll as well? RE was the only one before her to point out how weird Thyrll's posts were, and in a somewhat joking manner.

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 14 May 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

- snip -

I'm still finding that initial Ruse vote strange. I asked why he chose Trake and got this:

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:

When I voted Trake originally I basically picked the one out of two alts that had not posted. The reason I have left my vote that way is because of his behaviour since or at least up until I went away. I have not had much time to read the thread yet. This game got serious very quickly. I was prodding him to post with the vote which he did but his posts felt wrong.

The problem with that is twofold: He did it 10 minutes after the timer unfroze. And, in the previous 12 hours, only 6 others had posted anything and only 3 in the previous 6 hours. So the blind vote isn't nearly as 'blind' as he suggests.

But then again, it's only 10 minutes into the game. How much can be read into the first post of the game even if there was pre-game chatter?

Yeah, still pretty unsure what to make of it.

Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Huh?? Unless your signed in as a mod (then you would be abusing your powers). You can not know if anyone is lurking. I know that I was not signed in naked so neither your comment nor you vote make any sense.

On a side note, Trake jumps straight to the word "lurking" which doesn't do himself any favours.

We have to assume that there is nothing nefarious going on (mod abuse etc), and play with what we have on thread - anything else is up to the mods to deal with.

So, the only way Ruse could have actually known Trake was on would be scum partnership. Which then would raise the question of why he would call him out. Maybe just going for the joke vote (voting someone for not being around 10 minutes in), and then Trake messed it up by actually responding. Maybe deliberately trying to get some early distancing in (they do argue almost immediately, over the idea of Thyr symping, Ruse's theory about fake symping, and Ruse calling Trake's fast response and immediate seriousness suspicious). Doesn't seem that likely though.

So, if Ruse didn't know Trake was on, then what? Well, we can take at face value that he chose Trake for not having posted (checks out, only him and I think Spite hadn't, so it's a 50/50). Then it's coincidence that Trake happens to be, in his words "lurking". Trake then posts his serious post. Ruse says it's suspicious that he posts so quickly after getting a vote, and immediately goes for someone else. Trake reacts to this, as well as to some of Ruse's other opinions.

The question then is whether Ruse is right that Trake immediately getting serious is a bit suspect? Hard to say. I mean, one joke vote isn't much pressure, so Trake could easily just have been going for a serious start anyhow. But then, Trake has seemed quick to react. I'm not sure if the speed of his post really matters, more that he immediately goes elsewhere (since if Ruse didn't know he was on, then response speed is simply a case of when he gets on).

It's also possibly a symp clue joke vote. The oddness of the vote could support this. But then, not sure Ruse would have went on to actually push on Trake, considering day one can be volatile, that could be risky. On the other hand, the case doesn't seem that strong that it would be much of a risk.

Part of me thinks it's most likely just what Ruse says it is as well as some coincidence on the part of Trake actually being on, part of me thinks that how unlikely it is makes it worth noting more seriously. If it's not coincidence though, it's pretty hard to figure out possible motives.

I pull this quote out because Trake is mentioned A LOT. And 50/50 about actually saying, "hey let's look at Trake again, seriously" - more an examination of Ruse.

[Pallid]

Aaaaaand almost forgot to reply to this:

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Kilava, I wonder why you are voting Kalse when the suspicion was that he was signalling you. Destroying evidence?


I also find Pallid's response to my accusation over the top, OMGUS. It was the first vote on him, with no following train, so why the intentional misunderstanding of what I was getting at (that RE was signaling his master Pallid).

Eh, I didn't think my reaction was over the top... plus, if I voted you, then it would be OMGUS. I merely explained why I thought that your idea was flawed since so many people were making similar comments to each other.

[Pallid]

Last - I'm tired. Dead tired. So maybe I missed something - Kilava, why switch to Kalse when you seemed set on Trake? Yes, he voted you, and is coasty, we get it - but as you pointed out yourself, he was deliberately posting jokes while serious discussion was going on - that's a bit too obvious perhaps? It was Day 1, despite the seriousness. As you also said yourself, if there was a switch for anyone, it would be in Thyr's direction for such suspicious noob play (as you were quick to point out). And why don't you consider yourself building a case on Kalse when you've voted him? Twice?

I definitely don't agree with RE saying Kilava panicked when "realizing Thryll was her symp" - what is that even.

I want to vote tomorrow night, not now, because I do fear a certain tunnel-visionedness and paranoia setting in, so I'd like to see what others think as well.

Because I'm equally concerned with Kalse's coasting, I'm willing to vote for him as well (or MO, for the coasting, or Trake for possibly being aligned with possible-scum-Kilava).


Ok. Good night.

[Pallid]

Crap, did not see EP was posting.

Eldat Pressen, on 15 May 2013 - 06:15 AM, said:

Don't have time to post much tonight.

Seeing that it was Khell that got lynched makes me think he had to be the symp. Why else would he play like that? It certainly wasn't a townie move and Khell is to smart and solid of a player to just fuck town over like that. (Don't tell him I said that)

I guess it's good that serc was the NK for me as I had him high on my scum list... I still think Kilava is possible scum, and if not him, maybe someone like Anthras who has posted very little (that I remember). If we did lynch Kiliva and he came back inno, I would give much more credence to his Ruse/Kalse combo. So... I guess I am sitting on the fence between Kalse/Kilava as my vote as I feel it would give us the most info.

I really don't think Trake is scum, he was willing to mix it up. I am more willing to give the people mixing it up a pass over those that are being agreeable. It's a RI's role to express opinions. It puts pressure on the scum and gives the other Ri's something to look back on as we approach D-day. My posts tomorrow will center around who I trust and don't trust at this moment. It would be nice if everyone else did the same. The more info we have on thread, the better.

Thats all for now.

That is the one thing making me seriously doubt my own sorta-case that I just made. I can't get an actual read on Trake, and I feel like he could very much be super srs inno.


EDIT: Also, apologies for the long-ass posts. And real good-night now: Good night!

This post has been edited by Pallid: 15 May 2013 - 06:27 AM

[Denul]

Here and catching up.

I thought I already posted this?

Can't really do much at the moment except read the thread, I'll be around in a couple of hours for more substantial contributions.

[Ruse]

Vote Kilava

Having just read up he argues with some people, pokes other people, is nice to other's a really mix of emotions coming from him. He is mostly active and I get a huge scum vibe from him. Some examples coming up.

[Ruse]

These are not the posts I am referring to but looking over them through these eyes (If Kilava is scum then that first post looks nervous and he wants to start pointing fingers early. He also wants to engage in spam with his avatar talk)

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:10 AM, said:

Haha, Pallid is getting serious awful early. Definite scum .

Likewise Denul for his grumpy reaction.

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Here he points another finger my way but ends up with a vote on Trake. I cannot fathom what is going through his mind. So he thinks I am jumpy but goes along with my vote?

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Ruse seems to be jumping to overly complex suspicions for how early in the game it is. Fake symping as a deliberate angle does not seem very plausible. Less common at least than symp clue votes.

Also, his vote on Trake is rather odd.

However, I'm going to vote Trake for over reacting.

Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Pallid, on 13 May 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

^ Duh. I pretty much said, "let's watch Denul and Thyr", Denul cried, and I laughed. So Trake is repeating this for our benefits?

Anyways, off for work, and won't be posting until later tonight.

Actually you made a pathetically miserable attempt to draw attention to something. No pressure and just a little joke. That isn't drawing attention to anything but your lack of conviction. Which we can see by the fact that you posted after PS indicated that votes count and did not apply any pressure to your suspect. If you had conviction then you would point out me for my comment and then put pressure on your suspect. Instead you show that you are like a politician trying to get elected and perfectly willing to flip flop in any direction as long as you think you look good. But no conviction and no understanding of how to actually apply pressure to someone to see if in fact your hypothesis is correct. So you fail.

This post jumped out at me. While there certainly can be something scummy in Pallid's sort of behaviour,in this case Trake's reaction just seems unwarranted. That reaction, just because he didn't vote, early on day one, after prodding?

More to the point, it's an accusation that doesn't arise until Pallid prods Trake. Funny, given how scummy it apparently is.

If Pallid has shown that he is "like a politician trying to get elected and perfectly willing to flip flop in any direction as long as you think you look good", then why isn't Trake showing his own conviction and voting him, as he claims is the way to go? Is he that confident that someone else seems scummier than that?

I also really don't like "If you had conviction then you would point out me for my comment and then put pressure on your suspect". Firstly, for vote pressuring. Secondly for the slight implication that he should be given credit in the case that Pallid did vote. Which brings me on to the other thing I really don't like about this post. It has this tone of insistence that he was the instigator/contributing/adding something original.

This reaction, because Pallid lightly suggested that Trake was not adding anything new?

Trake's reaction is OMGUS, but more than that, he argues that what he is doing is totally different because he voted, and that Trake (because he voted) is the one who really brought attention to the issue, look at useful and original he is. Seems to me that the suggestion of unoriginality hit a bit of a nerve.

What really bugs me about the reaction is the fact that, while he's making accusations against Pallid, it's actually defensive. And to me, it seems rather too passionate a defense for a rather small prod.

Vote Trake.

Here Trake asks him his opinion but instead of answering he attacks Trake once more.

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

By the way do you have an opinion on the issue? Or is your opinion that you think that I am overreacting to nothing. In which case do you think that I am scum. If your town you should be trying to find scum. So vote for me if you think that I am scum otherwise process what has happened in the game so far and vote for the person who you think is likely scum. I.e. Making scummy moves trying not to stand out. Or continue being a moron. It doesn't matter to me.

An opinion on which issue? Whether or not Pallid should have voted?

I think you're over-reacting to a very slight bit of pressure, and it makes you seem over anxious to be seen as contributing/too worried about being accused of rehashing other people. Ofc I'm voting you because I think you are likely scummy. Your post just seems to be basic mafia 101.

Now someone said that Kalse and Kilava are partnered or could be and that this silly interaction and following ones are false. Also possible distancing. I am not going to focus on Kalse too much but at first and throughout day one I thought Kalse was playing like Dibs used to play, make shit posts, say fuck all of worth, possbily lay a vote, look disinterested and therefore be over looked by the killers only to come out and play well towards the latter stages of the game. Only the last few times people have attempted this they have done awful. Like Bent a few games ago when he was Anomandaris, he left it too late and he wasn't paying attention to the thread. It cost town that game so I am not going to wait around for Kalse to start playing. If people think him scummy and decide that he is the lynch today then I'd ride that train and not feel sad about it.

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

You're just jealous.

Oh, look, a dragon avatar. I've never seen one of those before. How overplayed.

So this is early day one, Kilava is active and has accused a few different people of things but his shit doesn't stick. It hasn't. I'll go through more of his posts but for someone who is active you think he'd try and actually lynch someone rather then venture lots of opinions but not actually commit to one.