[Serc]

Ryadd Eleis, on 14 May 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

Since this is going to keep coming up:

this was post 12. Previous posters were Mockra, Denul, Serc, Thyrllan. All warrens. Pallid is a dog. Ryadd is a soletaken. Hence flesh and bone.

I realize that this is mafia. But it is malazan empire mafia. So I assumed that you all would understand the above. I was apparently wrong.

Morons.

Perhaps you should tell that to whoever set my avatar?

[Serc]

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

But why are there only 2 votes required to lynch me? Shouldn't there be 8 as with everyone else? I guess there's probably a good reason behind that, but I just don't see it, so sorry for the likely stupid question.

I mean really guys? You are going to lynch this? Really? You think his partner is just going to let him keep shooting himself in the foot? Ugh.

Just out of interest - were you a paired killer with Thyrllan here, how would you have tried to salvage the hopeless situation he found himself in? Distance, distance distance.

[Serc]

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

Wow.

If Thyr is faking I want to give that guy an Oscar.

I'd be willing to vote for Denul, Trake, Spite, Thyrllan, Serc, Ryadd for all different reasons. Nothing big though as it's only day one. Denul for initial vote that started this mess, Trake for his aggressive play when confronted, Spite for coasting along voting with the flow not adding much, thyrllan in case signalling was right, Serc for seemingly.fake symping me, he had been too agreeable with me and follows my vote, and Ryadd because I think he is the actual symp.

So, being a little rushed for time and thinking what you said makes sense is clearly a mistake.

Note made on my noob pad - ignore Ruse.

Oh, sorry, I'm not Thyr am I.

[Eldat Pressen]

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

But why are there only 2 votes required to lynch me? Shouldn't there be 8 as with everyone else? I guess there's probably a good reason behind that, but I just don't see it, so sorry for the likely stupid question.

I mean really guys? You are going to lynch this? Really? You think his partner is just going to let him keep shooting himself in the foot? Ugh.

Just out of interest - were you a paired killer with Thyrllan here, how would you have tried to salvage the hopeless situation he found himself in? Distance, distance distance.

On thread, yes. I'd actually be doing what I am right now... but off thread I would be walking him through exactly what to say. After reading more of his posts though, he's laying it on pretty thick. It might be all an act, especially after seeing the inability to vote crap. I still don't think there is any way he's a killer. At worst he's a distracting symp.


Kilava made some good points on a Kalse/Ruse Pair.

[Thyrllan]

I still don't really understand why I would be a killer or a symp. Can someone explain the reasoning because I'm lost again? Of course I guess you should vote for me now because I assume you will just talk about this again on day 2 if I am alive then. But I don't really understand how this came about through anything I did.

I hope that at least my case on Trake if not on Serc and Ruse will do you guys some good.

[Serc]

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Just out of interest - were you a paired killer with Thyrllan here, how would you have tried to salvage the hopeless situation he found himself in? Distance, distance distance.

On thread, yes. I'd actually be doing what I am right now... but off thread I would be walking him through exactly what to say. After reading more of his posts though, he's laying it on pretty thick. It might be all an act, especially after seeing the inability to vote crap. I still don't think there is any way he's a killer. At worst he's a distracting symp.


Kilava made some good points on a Kalse/Ruse Pair.

I'd noted that too - although I also see that she has me down as keeping my head down, hence scummy.

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I still don't really understand why I would be a killer or a symp. Can someone explain the reasoning because I'm lost again? Of course I guess you should vote for me now because I assume you will just talk about this again on day 2 if I am alive then. But I don't really understand how this came about through anything I did.

I hope that at least my case on Trake if not on Serc and Ruse will do you guys some good.

I'm (killer) sure (symp) your (symp) case (symp) will (killer) stand (killer) on (symp) it's (killer) own (killer) merits.

[Kilava]

Looking at the post Serc quotes, it's actually kind of odd that Ruse brings up Serc as fake symping him. Someone had mentioned Serc being middle of the road (Eldat?) but I haven't felt like he was getting heat for symping Ruse. Hadn't particularly felt that Serc was being notably agreeable with Ruse, so it seems a bit strange that Ruse had noticed it. Possibly just paranoia I guess, people do tend to notice people's interactions with them more than others, but it just seems a little on the touchy side.

Would still like to know who he thinks Ryadd was symping/why he'd vote the symp. Is he meaning the "flesh and bones" thing with Pallid? And just generally, why would you list the symp as someone you'd want to vote?

Bit of an odd post.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I still don't really understand why I would be a killer or a symp. Can someone explain the reasoning because I'm lost again? Of course I guess you should vote for me now because I assume you will just talk about this again on day 2 if I am alive then. But I don't really understand how this came about through anything I did.

I hope that at least my case on Trake if not on Serc and Ruse will do you guys some good.

There are two main reasons people think you would be a killer.

1. Denul's vote at the start can be interpretted as a symp signalling his master (since master's don't normally know symps, it's reasonably common for symps to try and get their attention, make them aware that they're the symp).

2. People don't buy your confused behaviour. They think it's overdone acting, that no one could actually be that confused or that their is a discrepancy between you sometimes seeming more experienced, and so think you are a more experienced player who is trying to avoid pressure by passing things off as simple confusion.

Reasons you may be a symp.

1. You've drawn a lot of attention, a lot of it arguably through your own action (see point 2 above).

People aren't really voting you for being a possible symp though, because voting for someone you think is a symp is considered weak play.

[Kilava]

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

I'd noted that too - although I also see that she has me down as keeping my head down, hence scummy.

Meh, personally you're not currently that high on my suspects list, and are floating around the same level as a lot of people. I don't feel like I've got much of a read on you. For number of posts you've drawn very little heat though. The earlier accusation on being middle of the road didn't seem totally unjustified either.

In terms of keeping your head down, you haven't seemed to be doing it so determinedly as Kalse. Monok Ochem is another that I noticed. There are also still a bunch of people who really haven't posted much at all.

[Thyrllan]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I still don't really understand why I would be a killer or a symp. Can someone explain the reasoning because I'm lost again? Of course I guess you should vote for me now because I assume you will just talk about this again on day 2 if I am alive then. But I don't really understand how this came about through anything I did.

I hope that at least my case on Trake if not on Serc and Ruse will do you guys some good.

There are two main reasons people think you would be a killer.

1. Denul's vote at the start can be interpretted as a symp signalling his master (since master's don't normally know symps, it's reasonably common for symps to try and get their attention, make them aware that they're the symp).

2. People don't buy your confused behaviour. They think it's overdone acting, that no one could actually be that confused or that their is a discrepancy between you sometimes seeming more experienced, and so think you are a more experienced player who is trying to avoid pressure by passing things off as simple confusion.

Reasons you may be a symp.

1. You've drawn a lot of attention, a lot of it arguably through your own action (see point 2 above).

People aren't really voting you for being a possible symp though, because voting for someone you think is a symp is considered weak play.

Thanks again Kilava, you really have been a boon this game. I guess number 1 there's nothing I can do about. I don't really get number 2 though. I mean, if I was posting the way I'm posting to avoid pressure, I don't think it's really been working has it!! I'm sorry, I know I haven't been great this game, but I am trying. If I was scum and didn't want to be under pressure, then I think I would know not to post at all! Although maybe not judging by the way this game has gone for me so far ha ha ha.

I think I don't really get the symp reasoning either, because again why would I want attention on myself? I haven't been trying not to get attention, I've been putting as much of my own opinions forward as I can. I hope at least some of it will be of help once I am gone.

[Kilava]

For reference, here are all of Monoks posts.

Monok Ochem, on 13 May 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

checking in

Denul, on 13 May 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Dude, I don't even know what earlier game you're talking about, and I wrote the comment.

But if you want to have yet another game of stating possibilities as facts and being wrong, go forth and fail.

all mafia games, ever

Monok Ochem, on 13 May 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Serc, on 13 May 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Pallid, on 13 May 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Except, uh, Serc's. What... what is happening in theirs?!

Fear my anal emissions, for they are mighty.

Seriously, not a clue.

somebody should change that nasty avatar

Monok Ochem, on 13 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

apparently Trake doesn't appreciate idle voting and prefers the hard core serious business only 15 minutes after the game begins

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

summaries are useful to the whole world, thx

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 06:03 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Ok thanks again Kilava. So I guess I should try to make a good case on someone? Ok, if you guys give me a bit of time I will try.

I guess at least I have an advantage over you guys, because I know I'm not a killer and you guys don't seem to, so I can rule myself out anyway!

this is what the old folks like to call laying it on thick

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

it's way too early to call somebody smooth, good grief

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

just for fun, I want to make it clear I have moved from thinking Thyr is a little lost lamb to thinking he is a giant industrial strength feces launcher and will happily vote his way if no other scumly types emerge

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

hm, Thyr for right now

That last one comes after me asking him for his chief suspects, trying to get a bit more of an opinion from him.

Similarly to Kalse, it's not just low content, but being on and posting while discussions are going on, but refraining from getting involved, combined with hopping on other people's cases and going along with an easy opinion.

Edited for clarity.

This post has been edited by Kilava: 14 May 2013 - 10:41 PM

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

I still don't really understand why I would be a killer or a symp. Can someone explain the reasoning because I'm lost again? Of course I guess you should vote for me now because I assume you will just talk about this again on day 2 if I am alive then. But I don't really understand how this came about through anything I did.

I hope that at least my case on Trake if not on Serc and Ruse will do you guys some good.

There are two main reasons people think you would be a killer.

1. Denul's vote at the start can be interpretted as a symp signalling his master (since master's don't normally know symps, it's reasonably common for symps to try and get their attention, make them aware that they're the symp).

2. People don't buy your confused behaviour. They think it's overdone acting, that no one could actually be that confused or that their is a discrepancy between you sometimes seeming more experienced, and so think you are a more experienced player who is trying to avoid pressure by passing things off as simple confusion.

Reasons you may be a symp.

1. You've drawn a lot of attention, a lot of it arguably through your own action (see point 2 above).

People aren't really voting you for being a possible symp though, because voting for someone you think is a symp is considered weak play.

Thanks again Kilava, you really have been a boon this game. I guess number 1 there's nothing I can do about. I don't really get number 2 though. I mean, if I was posting the way I'm posting to avoid pressure, I don't think it's really been working has it!! I'm sorry, I know I haven't been great this game, but I am trying. If I was scum and didn't want to be under pressure, then I think I would know not to post at all! Although maybe not judging by the way this game has gone for me so far ha ha ha.

I think I don't really get the symp reasoning either, because again why would I want attention on myself? I haven't been trying not to get attention, I've been putting as much of my own opinions forward as I can. I hope at least some of it will be of help once I am gone.

For the first paragraph, it's not like you could suddenly stop posting like that once you'd started without getting way more suspicion.

Symps sometimes do want attention. It keeps it off the masters, causes confusion, and can send town in the wrong direction. Though again, I don't think anyone's voting you for possibly being a symp.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours 17 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night. 

6 votes Thyrllan: Trake, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Serc, Ryadd Eleis
1 vote Pallid: Mockra
1 vote Kalse: Kilava 
2 votes Kilava: Eldat Pressen, Kalse
1 vote Trake: Thyrllan

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Monok Ochem 

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

[Monok Ochem]

If Thyr is into some RP, I'm going to punch him for acting like that

You have crapped up the thread, and lately would have us think you well intentioned

I have to leave and won't return until tomorrow

vote Thyr

I will leave it to the others to decide your fate

[Kilava]

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

If Thyr is into some RP, I'm going to punch him for acting like that

You have crapped up the thread, and lately would have us think you well intentioned

Haha, will be a bit annoyed if I've been explaining stuff for the benefit of a vet.

[Thyrllan]

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

If Thyr is into some RP, I'm going to punch him for acting like that

You have crapped up the thread, and lately would have us think you well intentioned

I have to leave and won't return until tomorrow

vote Thyr

I will leave it to the others to decide your fate

This seems a bit unfair to me. I admit that I have found this game quite complex, and you guys all seem to operate on a higher level than me. But hopefully I can use this experience and build on it for the next one! I hope next time I can get a cool role like a ninja and hopefully last a bit longer too!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 1 hours 46 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night. 

7 votes Thyrllan: Trake, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Serc, Ryadd Eleis, Monok Ochem
1 vote Pallid: Mockra
1 vote Kalse: Kilava 
2 votes Kilava: Eldat Pressen, Kalse
1 vote Trake: Thyrllan

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul

[Mockra]

Interesting that Kilava has declined to hammer. Leader of the thread but doesn't want to lead the lynch.

[Mockra]

Remove Vote

Vote Kilava.

On principle. I will be looking into her much closer tomorrow...

[Kilava]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

Interesting that Kilava has declined to hammer. Leader of the thread but doesn't want to lead the lynch.

Meh, I'm quite happy to hammer but there's no rush.