Ryadd Eleis, on 14 May 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:
Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:
I'm pretty unsure on Ruse. His initial vote on Trake was kind of weird, as was some of the logic following it.
Serc has been very low key, which is probably the most suspicious thing about him.
Trake could be the symp. He came on and played pretty aggressively, drew attention. Ruse earlier accused him of immediately coming on pointing fingers, which could fit with symp. But since symps show up as inno, there's not that much point voting him for it. Also he has been drawing people into the game and getting reactions, which is usually good for the town. The most suspicious thing about him remains some of his earlier over-reactions. Seems to have quieted down somewhat, which could be because he got some pressure for being obnoxious, or could just be because he doesn't have anything he feels like arguing about atm.
Currently I'm more inclined to go for the people who seem to be trying to keep their heads down. Since day one can have pretty shaky or random lynches, and often the more vocal people are targets just because there is info on them, scum often do keep their heads down, more than on other days even. Of the people you listed, Serc would probably fit that profile closest.
It's why I'm voting Kalse. He's been keeping his head down, and doing it in a manner that seems artificial to me.
I'm still finding that initial Ruse vote strange. I asked why he chose Trake and got this:
Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 08:37 AM, said:
When I voted Trake originally I basically picked the one out of two alts that had not posted. The reason I have left my vote that way is because of his behaviour since or at least up until I went away. I have not had much time to read the thread yet. This game got serious very quickly. I was prodding him to post with the vote which he did but his posts felt wrong.
The problem with that is twofold: He did it 10 minutes after the timer unfroze. And, in the previous 12 hours, only 6 others had posted anything and only 3 in the previous 6 hours. So the blind vote isn't nearly as 'blind' as he suggests.
But then again, it's only 10 minutes into the game. How much can be read into the first post of the game even if there was pre-game chatter?
Yeah, still pretty unsure what to make of it.
Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:
Huh?? Unless your signed in as a mod (then you would be abusing your powers). You can not know if anyone is lurking. I know that I was not signed in naked so neither your comment nor you vote make any sense.
On a side note, Trake jumps straight to the word "lurking" which doesn't do himself any favours.
We have to assume that there is nothing nefarious going on (mod abuse etc), and play with what we have on thread - anything else is up to the mods to deal with.
So, the only way Ruse could have actually known Trake was on would be scum partnership. Which then would raise the question of why he would call him out. Maybe just going for the joke vote (voting someone for not being around 10 minutes in), and then Trake messed it up by actually responding. Maybe deliberately trying to get some early distancing in (they do argue almost immediately, over the idea of Thyr symping, Ruse's theory about fake symping, and Ruse calling Trake's fast response and immediate seriousness suspicious). Doesn't seem that likely though.
So, if Ruse didn't know Trake was on, then what? Well, we can take at face value that he chose Trake for not having posted (checks out, only him and I think Spite hadn't, so it's a 50/50). Then it's coincidence that Trake happens to be, in his words "lurking". Trake then posts his serious post. Ruse says it's suspicious that he posts so quickly after getting a vote, and immediately goes for someone else. Trake reacts to this, as well as to some of Ruse's other opinions.
The question then is whether Ruse is right that Trake immediately getting serious is a bit suspect? Hard to say. I mean, one joke vote isn't much pressure, so Trake could easily just have been going for a serious start anyhow. But then, Trake has seemed quick to react. I'm not sure if the speed of his post really matters, more that he immediately goes elsewhere (since if Ruse didn't know he was on, then response speed is simply a case of when he gets on).
It's also possibly a symp clue joke vote. The oddness of the vote could support this. But then, not sure Ruse would have went on to actually push on Trake, considering day one can be volatile, that could be risky. On the other hand, the case doesn't seem that strong that it would be much of a risk.
Part of me thinks it's most likely just what Ruse says it is as well as some coincidence on the part of Trake actually being on, part of me thinks that how unlikely it is makes it worth noting more seriously. If it's not coincidence though, it's pretty hard to figure out possible motives.
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