[worry]

Maybe you can afford to, with Canadian dollars.

[Terez]

What is payoff, though? I think people have different definitions of that.

[Lusipher]

An amusing promo, in which a man reads his grandson 'Game of Thrones' instead of 'Princess Bride'. The last line is exceptionally cruel...

(no spoilers past book/season 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFOXCfoKO1k

[Abyss]

Briar King, on 09 April 2013 - 04:10 AM, said:

Terez, on 09 April 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:

What is payoff, though? I think people have different definitions of that.

So true.

fair enough... i consider payoff when an event transpires as a result of previous events. Case in point, Tyrion's chat with Tywin in S3ep1... while 'only' a conversation among other scenes that were also two people sitting/standing/riding and talking as opposed to swinging big pointy pieces of metal at each other, that particular conversation was a turning point for both characters and the payoff to pretty much their entire interaction in the series to date. It changed the game between them. Everything that happens 'next' for those two flows from that point.

Ep2 had Jaime and Brienne finally act on their building sexual tension and make out fight, and otherwise the ep was entirely setup. It was all very good and interesting setup, but i would have liked just a bit more 'event'.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

I found an interesting theory with a Youtube reel of potential evidence for the idea that Talisa (rather than being a carbon copy of Jeyne Westerling under another name) is infact a Lannister spy - any thoughts? I'll dig the link back out and return with it!

[polishgenius]

Abyss, on 08 April 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

This ep was all setup... not a bad thing, but Jaime and Brienne being taken was the only serious plot advancement that happened. Arguably Arya falling in with the Brotherhood too but that's just setup for her plotline with the hand and sticking Benji in placeholderville. Sam, Jon, Bran and co all walked from point a to point b and talked. Cat, Tyrion and Shae, Sansa and the Tyrells, Joffrey and Margarine, Robb and misc, Bolton and Theon... more or less just talked, and very little new information was conveyed. Even the worg thing was putting a name on something we had already seen.

To be fair, there were plenty of new characters - the mummers, the Brotherhood, Margarey Tyrell, the Reeds. They're all setting up important later plot strands.

I did also think there was more solid character development for Sansa, who's taking her turn for the likeable much earlier than she did in the books. I liked the scene between her and the Tyrells, it let Sophie Turner show some acting chops she'd not really had the chance to before.

[Aristai]

The scene with Arya, Thoros and the Hound was brilliant. Favourite scene so far out of the first two episodes.

[worry]

My guess is world-building. I'm kinda glad for the change, it's good to have some non-Westerosi around.

[Malaclypse]

I guess time will tell but this Tulisa girl is the most jarring change for me. It made a species of sense for Robb to fall in love with the girl who'd nursed him back to health after an injury (during a siege wasn't it?) and feel honour-bound to marry her after he'd almost certainly despoiled her. This is just tawdry and stupid, imo.

I don't like what they're doing with Shae either. Cat's monologue irritated me as well.

Some of it is down to having to pander to the American audience - I get it, but I do not like it.

Apart from that, I'm really enjoying it

[Terez]

What is it about any of that that is supposed to be more appealing to Americans than to others?

[worry]

I think Tulisa appeals very much to Robb's sense of what kind of king he imagines himself to be. I'm sure even though he'd have been perfectly happy being lord of Winterfell after Ned, the events have swept him up with almost the same kind of childhood fantasies that Sansa was so enamored with, except in this case it's somewhere within his grasp. I'm not necessarily in love with her, but I think she's about a good a minor character as Jeyne is, given the needs of the show.

Re: Cat, I kinda think people (not necessarily on this board, but in general) are focusing too much on the Jon Snow aspect and not enough on the religious aspect. As far as I'm concerned, I'm reading this as more about her devotion to her faith -- particularly after all the recent horror in her family -- so it seems to be natural for her to retreat to it in times of grief and guilt. This is a world where people believe in the gods, and in supernatural/spiritual consequences for their actions. It also gives her a role as a representative of the Seven -- in the same way we get them for the Red God and the Drowned God and the Old Gods -- since we don't really have any septon characters to fit that. And the Seven need that, given how important the church is to future events, so I'm interested to see if she becomes a bit more religiously zealous before the RW.

This post has been edited by worrywort: 09 April 2013 - 09:29 PM

[Ceda Cicero]

Terez, on 09 April 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

What is it about any of that that is supposed to be more appealing to Americans than to others?

I echo that question. Are you saying they're dumbing down for a broadly less intelligent audience in America, or am I missing something? I rarely bristle out of a sense of patriotism... but crass generalizations confound me.

[worry]

I like it, he manages to make fun of a whole swath of people in one fell swoop. I don't agree with the point he's making, but I do appreciate the efficiency.

[Baco Xtath]

Here's some cool photos of the cast hanging out.

This post has been edited by Baco Xtath: 10 April 2013 - 12:48 AM

[Ceda Cicero]

worrywort, on 10 April 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

I like it, he manages to make fun of a whole swath of people in one fell swoop. I don't agree with the point he's making, but I do appreciate the efficiency.

I always did have you figured for a goddamn Nazi.

This post has been edited by Ceda Cicero: 10 April 2013 - 02:03 AM

[Overactive Imagination]

Brienne/Jaime duel was awesome.

Queen of thorns sucked imo. She's not mean looking/sounding enough. She was basically just a nice old woman.

It also weirded me out how Bran aged super fast between season 2 and 3

This post has been edited by Overactive Imagination: 10 April 2013 - 07:20 AM

[Abyss]

Overactive Imagination, on 10 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

...It also weirded me out how Bran aged super fast between season 2 and 3

Yah, him and Arya both had a growth spurt.
To be expected with child actors, but a tiny bit jarring when only a few weeks passed in show-time.

[amphibian]

Overactive Imagination, on 10 April 2013 - 07:19 AM, said:

Queen of thorns sucked imo. She's not mean looking/sounding enough. She was basically just a nice old woman.

I'm not sure if you were paying super close attention to what she was saying, but that's one steely woman you're talking about. The tone and looks are meant to be disarming enough to hide the ruthlessness of her actions and specific words.

She bullied Sansa into doing something against her personal safety (saying bad things about Joffrey) by being nice in a pressuring way. She didn't get Maegary out of there when Sansa let loose the "monster" comment and probably discussed the best way to manipulate the Lannisters and Joffrey in particular to get Maegary installed as queen.

That's a formidable presence and someone who has a hard heart.

[Terez]

Yeah, I never imagined her as having a really acerbic personality; I just imagined her as someone who is used to getting her way and thinks everyone around her is incompetent. You can do/be all of those things with a smile.

[Abyss]

And in the midst of all her cantakerous i-am-old-and-you-will-obey-me-ness, she's a manipulative opportunist looking out for her own family.

I liked.