[Korvalain]

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is a pure TMDI:0/1 game. There are 13 RIs and 3 killers. The killers can talk off-thread and kill one player each night.

Quote

You are a killer. Your fellow killers are _____ and _____.

Each night, you and your partners can conspire to kill one other player.

Killers get 1 each plus can combine for another? Or just 1 between them.

[Hugin & Munin]

Korvalain, on 04 March 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is a pure TMDI:0/1 game. There are 13 RIs and 3 killers. The killers can talk off-thread and kill one player each night.

Quote

You are a killer. Your fellow killers are _____ and _____.

Each night, you and your partners can conspire to kill one other player.

Killers get 1 each plus can combine for another? Or just 1 between them.

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour. Thank you have a nice day.


In case anyone forgot that I'm modding.


Vengeance

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 04 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

[Karosis]

Korvalain, on 04 March 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is a pure TMDI:0/1 game. There are 13 RIs and 3 killers. The killers can talk off-thread and kill one player each night.

Quote

You are a killer. Your fellow killers are _____ and _____.

Each night, you and your partners can conspire to kill one other player.

Killers get 1 each plus can combine for another? Or just 1 between them.

They'd not have 3 kills and off thread comms. We'd just lose, it'd be over in 3 days.

[Korvalain]

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour.

[Sorrit]

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

But creating connections and misdirection is one thing they are going to need to do to try and win this. Are you that dense? Or are you being so against what i am saying because you are linked to Liosan for something similar? If we caught scum in Sheltatha then she would want people to look away from her partners at someone else. If we totally discount this, then that is great for the killers because they can keep doing it. No one needs to do it but that doesn't mean they won't and I am not talking about real signalling/symping I am talking about faking it to either create wifom, or to implicate someone later down the road.

I will reiterate, again. Given that there is no reason to signal or symp, anyone who makes a connection to a dead scum based on symping or signalling is raging idiot. If there is no reason for anyone to signal, why in the hell would scum try to create WIFOM around something that has no place in this game? If we find a scum, we can't make decisions based on possible symping or signalling, we have to make them based on lynch trains, and defense/rebuttal of arguments on thread. No scum in their right mind would lay down the groundwork for a signal case or a symp case in a game that there is no reason to signal in and that doesn't have a symp.

[Karosis]

See Korv is a killer ^

[Karosis]

Sorrit, on 04 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

But creating connections and misdirection is one thing they are going to need to do to try and win this. Are you that dense? Or are you being so against what i am saying because you are linked to Liosan for something similar? If we caught scum in Sheltatha then she would want people to look away from her partners at someone else. If we totally discount this, then that is great for the killers because they can keep doing it. No one needs to do it but that doesn't mean they won't and I am not talking about real signalling/symping I am talking about faking it to either create wifom, or to implicate someone later down the road.

I will reiterate, again. Given that there is no reason to signal or symp, anyone who makes a connection to a dead scum based on symping or signalling is raging idiot. If there is no reason for anyone to signal, why in the hell would scum try to create WIFOM around something that has no place in this game? If we find a scum, we can't make decisions based on possible symping or signalling, we have to make them based on lynch trains, and defense/rebuttal of arguments on thread. No scum in their right mind would lay down the groundwork for a signal case or a symp case in a game that there is no reason to signal in and that doesn't have a symp.

You say that but we've seen it time and again in a multitude of games. You assume that scum don't make mistakes. You are also adament that this will not happen this game. Well it might not now, but it might have already happened. You see it is you and Liosan making these counter arguments, whereas Sheltatha's defense is *shrug*.

It now looks as though you want to make this point stick, you make a good point but if I saw it that way what is to say others didn't see it that way too AND that was the original intent of Sheltatha. You assume because YOU wouldn't make that mistake that others would not too.

[Karosis]

Also Sorrit to continue that post above, the other explanation would be that you are defending Sheltatha.

[Hugin & Munin]

Also because people annoyed me.


There is a normal CF.

[Sorrit]

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 04 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

But creating connections and misdirection is one thing they are going to need to do to try and win this. Are you that dense? Or are you being so against what i am saying because you are linked to Liosan for something similar? If we caught scum in Sheltatha then she would want people to look away from her partners at someone else. If we totally discount this, then that is great for the killers because they can keep doing it. No one needs to do it but that doesn't mean they won't and I am not talking about real signalling/symping I am talking about faking it to either create wifom, or to implicate someone later down the road.

I will reiterate, again. Given that there is no reason to signal or symp, anyone who makes a connection to a dead scum based on symping or signalling is raging idiot. If there is no reason for anyone to signal, why in the hell would scum try to create WIFOM around something that has no place in this game? If we find a scum, we can't make decisions based on possible symping or signalling, we have to make them based on lynch trains, and defense/rebuttal of arguments on thread. No scum in their right mind would lay down the groundwork for a signal case or a symp case in a game that there is no reason to signal in and that doesn't have a symp.

You say that but we've seen it time and again in a multitude of games. You assume that scum don't make mistakes. You are also adament that this will not happen this game. Well it might not now, but it might have already happened. You see it is you and Liosan making these counter arguments, whereas Sheltatha's defense is *shrug*.

It now looks as though you want to make this point stick, you make a good point but if I saw it that way what is to say others didn't see it that way too AND that was the original intent of Sheltatha. You assume because YOU wouldn't make that mistake that others would not too.

You're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I'm not assuming scum don't make mistakes, I'm saying that making a case based on something that is not likely to be in the game as there's no reason for anyone to do it is complete idiocy. You can continue being an idiot and make stupid cases on imagined connections based on 'symping' or 'signalling', I'm gonna look at real facts and real connections based on people's reactions to other people.

You're right in that one shouldn't assume that scum don't make mistakes. But given that there are three of them with offthread communications, I think it's safe to say that it's likely that one of them might have enough experience in this game to understand that the setup means there's no reason to signal or fake symp. If anything, if we discover a scum and then realize that he is 'fake symping' or 'signalling' during day 1 (before this spat), I'd be more likely to believe that the person he is 'fake symping' or 'signalling' is VPI rather than scum. Why would scum signal other scum? They have offthread comms. Why would scum fake symp someone? To throw us off their trail. It's basic Mafia.

[Sorrit]

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Also Sorrit to continue that post above, the other explanation would be that you are defending Sheltatha.

So I'm bashing you for your idiocy, and that means I'm defending Sheltatha? According to you, I'm a killer who has stuck his neck out for one of his killer partners, during the beginning of Day 1, when his alleged partner doesn't have a SINGLE vote on him? Seriously? I don't even think the newest of newbs would make such an idiotic mistake.

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 04 March 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Fine! You wanna go! Lets do this!

Vote Anomandaris

Anyone understand what this is about??

[Hugin & Munin]

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour. Thank you have a nice day.


In case anyone forgot that I'm modding.


Vengeance

You can post normally now.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Karosis, this is by far, the most amusing scrambling I've seen. EVER.

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour. Thank you have a nice day.


In case anyone forgot that I'm modding.


Vengeance

You can post normally now.

You have faaaar too much power Venge.

[Korvalain]

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour. Thank you have a nice day.


In case anyone forgot that I'm modding.


Vengeance

You can post normally now.

Good. I coudn't get the bite me picture to load so just pretend it's there.

[Hugin & Munin]

[img]http://cellar.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29730&stc=1&d=1287762160http://[/img]

Korvalain, on 04 March 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 04 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

For asking retarded questions you get to post in pictures for the next hour. Thank you have a nice day.


In case anyone forgot that I'm modding.


Vengeance

You can post normally now.

Good. I coudn't get the bite me picture to load so just pretend it's there.

This post has been edited by Hugin & Munin: 04 March 2013 - 05:42 PM

[Tulas Shorn]

Sorrit, on 04 March 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 04 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 04 March 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

But creating connections and misdirection is one thing they are going to need to do to try and win this. Are you that dense? Or are you being so against what i am saying because you are linked to Liosan for something similar? If we caught scum in Sheltatha then she would want people to look away from her partners at someone else. If we totally discount this, then that is great for the killers because they can keep doing it. No one needs to do it but that doesn't mean they won't and I am not talking about real signalling/symping I am talking about faking it to either create wifom, or to implicate someone later down the road.

I will reiterate, again. Given that there is no reason to signal or symp, anyone who makes a connection to a dead scum based on symping or signalling is raging idiot. If there is no reason for anyone to signal, why in the hell would scum try to create WIFOM around something that has no place in this game? If we find a scum, we can't make decisions based on possible symping or signalling, we have to make them based on lynch trains, and defense/rebuttal of arguments on thread. No scum in their right mind would lay down the groundwork for a signal case or a symp case in a game that there is no reason to signal in and that doesn't have a symp.

You say that but we've seen it time and again in a multitude of games. You assume that scum don't make mistakes. You are also adament that this will not happen this game. Well it might not now, but it might have already happened. You see it is you and Liosan making these counter arguments, whereas Sheltatha's defense is *shrug*.It now looks as though you want to make this point stick, you make a good point but if I saw it that way what is to say others didn't see it that way too AND that was the original intent of Sheltatha. You assume because YOU wouldn't make that mistake that others would not too.

You're putting a lot of words into my mouth. I'm not assuming scum don't make mistakes, I'm saying that making a case based on something that is not likely to be in the game as there's no reason for anyone to do it is complete idiocy. You can continue being an idiot and make stupid cases on imagined connections based on 'symping' or 'signalling', I'm gonna look at real facts and real connections based on people's reactions to other people.You're right in that one shouldn't assume that scum don't make mistakes. But given that there are three of them with offthread communications, I think it's safe to say that it's likely that one of them might have enough experience in this game to understand that the setup means there's no reason to signal or fake symp. If anything, if we discover a scum and then realize that he is 'fake symping' or 'signalling' during day 1 (before this spat), I'd be more likely to believe that the person he is 'fake symping' or 'signalling' is VPI rather than scum. Why would scum signal other scum? They have offthread comms. Why would scum fake symp someone? To throw us off their trail. It's basic Mafia.

Ok, so in terms of game strategy, I agree that looking for sympage and signaling is counter-productive, especially given how explicitly simple this game is (TMDI 0/1). I would add to the above strategy that we need to look very closely at lack of interactions in addition to attempted defense of players in hot water. However, remember that as soon as we point out a strategy, scum have time to modify their play-style to match our expectations for townie play-style. This is why early behavior analysis is so critical:

Sorrit, on 04 March 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 04 March 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Fine! You wanna go! Lets do this!Vote Anomandaris

Anyone understand what this is about??

I agree this is one of the things that stood out most to me. The open mockery of a mafia no-no meme seems to be an early attempt at nonchalance and a way of tempting people not to take Anomandaris seriously. The same is true for the first person to explicitly state they were making a list: Karosis. Indirectly joking that one is scum can be a reverse psychology technique, especially early in the game when everyone is just "joking" anyways.

The reason Anomandaris needs more attention is his low posting (as opposed to Karosis who in my experience is less likely [though not impossible] to be scum due to his loquaciousness). More often than not in the scope of the entire game, scum are middling posters with few exceptions in both the low posting and high posting extremes.

However, this still being day 1, scum are also likely to be initially a low poster who picks up to middling on day 2. Talkativeness on day 1 is a dangerous play given how people are more likely to lynch for weak cases and irritation than actual solid cases we see on later days.

Obviously, my opinion is to

Vote Anomandaris.

[Tulas Shorn]

Korvalain, on 04 March 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hugin & Munin, on 03 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

This is a pure TMDI:0/1 game. There are 13 RIs and 3 killers. The killers can talk off-thread and kill one player each night.

Quote

You are a killer. Your fellow killers are _____ and _____.

Each night, you and your partners can conspire to kill one other player.

Killers get 1 each plus can combine for another? Or just 1 between them.

This is on par with Anomandaris' self vote. Asking deliberately stupid questions to imply oneself is town falls into very scummy behavior. But I can only vote one person at a time.

[Hugin & Munin]

It is Day 1. 27 hours and 32 minutes remaining
16 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Galain, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Spite, Telas, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Galain ( Karosis )
2 Votes for Anomandaris ( Anomandaris, Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Korvalain )
1 Vote for Korvalain ( Tennes )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Galain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

[Ampelas]

Here wiping the sleep from my eyes and whoah! Looks like serious shit going down already.

Suppose I'd better catch up properly then...