[Ruse]

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

[Ruse]

Actually

vote Telas

in the meantime, I find it very odd that there are so many votes on Lio, when there's barely a case against them.

Edit: putting vote on a separate line, sorry.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 22 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

[Ruse]

Fener, on 21 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

I'M STUPID? I'M STUPID? YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE A MATRIX QUOTE. I WAS REFERRING TO NIGHT BEING OVER SO IT DIDN'T MATTER OR NOT IF PEOPLE HAD A PROVISIONAL OR NOT, IT WAS INEVITABLE IT HAD FINISHED.

Fener, on 20 February 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Liosan, on 20 February 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Here that PS? That is the sound of inevitability!!!

What?

WHAT? THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR VOCABULARY?


WELL DONE. CLAP CLAP.

First, I don't watch stupid action movies made for Jewish propaganda.
Second, Fucking retard, It's "Hear that?" not here that. I was referring to that.

Less Stormfront in my mafia thanks, you asshole.

[Anomandaris]

I'd switch to Telas for a lynch, but am somewhat intrigued by some small push-back here.

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 22 February 2013 - 01:02 AM, said:

I'd switch to Telas for a lynch, but am somewhat intrigued by some small push-back here.

Me too! But, reading back through again, I still feel like the Liosan 'case' is mostly stupidity... and even though the Telas one is weak. Blargh.


EDITED for ridiculous spelling. "Stupididy" hahaha.

This post has been edited by Sorrit: 22 February 2013 - 01:06 AM

[Sorrit]

Should've just added my vote to last post there, woops. Anyways, this might change depending on rest of this day:

vote Telas

[Telas]

Butt load of quotes, but really this is back up for anyone who wants to tease out my evidence for my theory.

Liosan, on 20 February 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

The Factions:
Highprince Thandar's Camp
Highprince Dalinar Kholin's Camp
Highprince Sadeas's Camp
The Parshendi


It doesn't mention cult. He even says it is a faction game yet you bring up recruitment. This wasn't hinted at anywhere. So not so stupid.



The Highprince's are all on the same side in the book even though they are competing for the Gemstones. The Parshendi are the main force set against them. This is early on in the books and he specifically said no Kaladin meaning joint assault will be out of the question. Also to note that the Parshendi field the same numbers as any one of the Highprince's armies. That said, say each faction had 3 people. (9). Then the Parshendi would need 9 people minimum to go against that set up. The Parshendi are the odd faction out so I would say that they would have the numerous numbers right now. If it was 4 to a faction (12) then the rest could quite easily be Parshendi. In fact running that scenario in my head, what links 19 and 22?



4 people each faction, leaves 7 Parshendi. (19)



5 people each faction leaves 7 Parshendi. (22)



That fits. It also means that lover pairs throughout the Parshendi is a wrong way of thought. I am not saying that there isn't lover pairs but I know I am not one and you mentioned mechanics.



So the question is why 7?

Path-Shaper, on 21 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

As the day wore on, Highprinces and Parshendi alike rushed to reach the plateaus. Sadeas's bridgemen allowed him to quickly overtake Dalinar and reach the Saddle before even the parshendi arrived, taking the gemheart. On Elthas Plateau, Thanadar and the Parshendi met head to head, with thanadar's troops taking heavy losses, but obtaining the gemheart nonetheless. And during all the excitement and confusion of the races to get the gemhearts, a small parshendi scouting party reached the Bowl, sneakily taking the gemheart unnoticed.


It is Day 2. 15 hours and 59 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

Karosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 21 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.

I did know someone on my team. They are dead. It wasn't Amp.

I think 7 was important because of the numbers involved. I've never run a game or modded a game before so I don't know much about balance, yet I have read the books and I think the Highprince's will be stronger than the Parshendi, to balance this they would need more Parshendi than Alethi.

First of all, there is only one book that this game is based on. Secondly, if you actually "read the books", you would know that the Parshendi are actually quite a bit stronger than any individual High Prince's army, and are generally better warriors as well. It isn't as if it is 3 High Prince Factions vs 1 Parshendi faction. This is a straight merc game, where the teams should be at least relatively close. If one team has less players, it would make sense to give that team a bit more power, or knowledge, like the entirety of their team, which would allow them to fling shit all over on everyone not on their team. Sort of like how you are doing.

Osseric, on 21 February 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 21 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 21 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

As the day wore on, Highprinces and Parshendi alike rushed to reach the plateaus. Sadeas's bridgemen allowed him to quickly overtake Dalinar and reach the Saddle before even the parshendi arrived, taking the gemheart. On Elthas Plateau, Thanadar and the Parshendi met head to head, with thanadar's troops taking heavy losses, but obtaining the gemheart nonetheless. And during all the excitement and confusion of the races to get the gemhearts, a small parshendi scouting party reached the Bowl, sneakily taking the gemheart unnoticed.

Somehow I glossed over this in my read through.


So again we have the 3 prince factions and 2 groups of Parshendi. The chances of a 7 person Parshendi faction are small imo. Meaning I think Lio is full of shit, meaning I think he is lowman on a prince team. Not sure if that's a good lynch or not.

Well, at least 2 groups. The scene said that on Saddle, Sadeas' men reached the plateau before the Parshendi arrived, so it sounds like a group was trying to go there. I'd count that as 1. Thanadar's men fought against another group of Parshendi, number 2. Finally a third group took a heart themselves, number 3.

Is the scene right? Who knows, but it is detailing actual combat on the Shattered Plains, so I want to believe in my breakdown. In which case, I really doubt the 5-5-5-4 number breakdown. For the Parshendi to be everywhere, there would have to be more than 3 still alive.

Here are the game dynamics:


We have 3 prince factions, 4 people each. The roles that we know are Elite Guard and Captain, leaving 2 other unknown roles for the equally balanced prince factions.
We have 1 Parshendi faction, 7 people total. There is only one non-paired player, the Head Hauncho, who probably can kick some serious ass, but also probably has some delayed actions built into his role. The remaining 3 pairs are all lovers.

The dynamics of the gemhearts has not been discussed thoroughly, but here is what I think:
Taking a plateau is a day action that requires each team to choose which destination the wish to attack. My bet is the princes have a designated driver who decides for the team where they go, whereas the Parshendi decide as pairs.
As for the gemhearts, they would have to power people's special abilities, which means the team with more gemhearts has the ability to get more done, whether that be guarding, killing, finding, or loving.

Key note here is that as the prince's factions are beaten down, they have less of a chance to capture plateaus, and instead the more numerous Parshendi will start raking in the gems. That will be end game, hence the need to hunt down Parshendi, or at least keep their numbers from exceeding the princes.

[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

[Telas]

Sorry to have been absent for most of the day. Things overwhelmed me today, so not as much time for most of the day. anyone around to chat on relevant, unchildish things?

[Telas]

Atrahal, on 21 February 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Spite, on 21 February 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 February 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Spite, on 21 February 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

seems we have a Day 1 all over again, with 4 dead people.

With over 8 hours left that seems a bit pessimistic. Almost like you want it to be like day 1 again.

I don't. But atm I don't see any strong cases. I stil want to vote Fener for being a dick, but that's not necessarily productive in a merc game, given he could end up being on my team.

same reasons i'm unsure about either Liosan or Telas.

Well, we have to start somewhere eventually.



vote Liosan


I think he might not be on my team, whereas with Telas I have no clue.
And with that I'm going to bed.

Anomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Choo-Choo.

Might as well see where it leads and hope it's not a fuck-up.

Vote Liosan

Coasting. Worthy of more careful picking in my opinion.

[Anomandaris]

Yep, there are lots of players in this game that aren't "coasting."

[Telas]

Karosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.

This is where my vote will land. I like Karosis' analyses this game. Doesn't say much, but makes it count when he does. Going after Liosan is a waste of time (just like killing all the noisy players last night was a waste of time. We seemed to have missed all the big hitters unless that Captain is something). Atrahal, with the coasting and brief lazy comments, is more material for a leader type. People like connections and meat to their cases, but in the end, ignoring the low posters and coasters hurts us every game time and time again. The least we can do is pressure, and even that doesn't work as evidenced by some games I've see with a notorious low poster who shall remain unnamed.

Vote Atrahal

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

Despite the fact my name is in there, I'm in agreement with you actually. I feel it's a bit too late in the current day to turn a large amount of votes around for any of those names, though.

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Choo-Choo.

Might as well see where it leads and hope it's not a fuck-up.

Vote Liosan

Coasting. Worthy of more careful picking in my opinion.

Yeah, but who's actually posting any content? With these types of examples, a lot of us could be considered coasting.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 22 February 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

Yep, there are lots of players in this game that aren't "coasting."

Sarcasm I assume. Don't make sense otherwise.

[Anomandaris]

Right in one. Good job!

[Telas]

Sorrit, on 22 February 2013 - 01:37 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

Despite the fact my name is in there, I'm in agreement with you actually. I feel it's a bit too late in the current day to turn a large amount of votes around for any of those names, though.

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 21 February 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Choo-Choo.

Might as well see where it leads and hope it's not a fuck-up.

Vote Liosan

Coasting. Worthy of more careful picking in my opinion.

Yeah, but who's actually posting any content? With these types of examples, a lot of us could be considered coasting.

Content has come from Lio, Karosis, OE, and myself.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 22 February 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

Right in one. Good job!

yea me.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

I thought of that, but they're just as likely to be leaders (ie, one of them could be my leader) I'm also just not buying the 7 parshendi with lover connections, that seems like way to much information when the other teams are so much lower in number and only know one other person on their team. 5,5,5,4 makes way more sense if you assume that they have lover connections. It would make more sense if it was 7 total with no lover connections, which then makes your point about finding parshendi in the quieter groups... pointless. Both are a possibility, but I just don't think that works out balancewise to have both a 7 person team AND lover connections between 6 of them. One or the other? Sure. But your breakdown just seems really off to me.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

Content has come from Lio, Karosis, OE, and myself.

Meh, sure, but once that small group of people have posted anything worthwhile... and nothing new really happens (besides 4 deaths, which have already been discussed to their fullest extent), there really isn't any other content. I suppose that's what I meant.

At least, when I log in at the end of the day, I can never really find anything new or content-ful to say.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

Karosis, on 21 February 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Ok I caught up, some thoughts that have been brought up before but that I'd be happy to discuss since I'm around:

1) I do think the 1 from each faction died at night thing is odd, but I'm not sure we can pull anything from it unless we have a repeat performance tonight.
2) I agree with the thought that if we are going on the basis that Parshendi have lover connections, assuming they are going to be clearly working together on thread is foolish.
3) Read post 330-347 between Atrahal and Liosan, and see what could be some weird-ass distancing followed by a 'no, j/k!' thing to not make waves. Remember that people working together most likely wouldn't follow each other with votes much, but a sort of distancing/arguing would be very well in tune, especially if they fear a culture-hunt type scenario on parshendi. Also remember that Liosan seems to be the one pushing the 7 parshendi thought to make it seem like everyone should be afraid to start a culture hunt, when nearly everyone else on thread is guessing at 5-5-5-4 as starting. Lio also seems to be flinging shit all over the place which leads me to believe he knows more about who is on his team and who isn't then I do.

This is where my vote will land. I like Karosis' analyses this game. Doesn't say much, but makes it count when he does. Going after Liosan is a waste of time (just like killing all the noisy players last night was a waste of time. We seemed to have missed all the big hitters unless that Captain is something). Atrahal, with the coasting and brief lazy comments, is more material for a leader type. People like connections and meat to their cases, but in the end, ignoring the low posters and coasters hurts us every game time and time again. The least we can do is pressure, and even that doesn't work as evidenced by some games I've see with a notorious low poster who shall remain unnamed.

Vote Atrahal

I'm here until day times out, so I'd be keen to have an actual discussion about other potential lynches and see how we go?