[Brujah]

TV just flashed that North Korea just set off/tested a nuke. I wonder how our crazy world will react if this is true.

Maybe the Mayans were right, just a few months off.

[Obdigore]

They have already set two nuclear weapons off in underground sites. Unbunch your panties.

[Brujah]

The first in 2006, and the other in 2009 were far less worrisome than the latest, for many reasons.

For example, "North Korea's powerful National Defence Commission said on 23 January that the United States was its prime target for a nuclear test " The stakes are higher. This isn't something minor, not because of what I believe it means, but for the way the rest of the world might view it. Testing nukes is the last topic to scoff at, even if this was test number 1 or test number 10. It's dangerous and disheartening, no matter WHO is setting off/testing nuclear weapons, including ourselves.

[Obdigore]

/Yawn.

Your attempts at making this some kind of earth shattering news just shows that you don't follow international politics at all.

[worry]

Agreed, we're all gonna die soon, very soon indeed, and with horrific pain by the bucket-loads, but it's not going to be from this.

[HoosierDaddy]

Briar King, on 12 February 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

I wouldnt be to concerned itd actually happen B. I dont think they are capable of having a missle that can travel as far the US mainland from their country. Ive heard this from alot of dif sources. So I hope that helps you a bit.

Actually, with their satellite launch a couple months ago, I believe they could technically hit Hawaii (and if it the Aleutians) as well as the West Coast.

That being said, there is a better chance that Jack Burton saves Gracie from Lo Pan before that ever actually happened.

/Not Inn material.

[Assail]

Preemptive strike? LET'S DO THAT AGAIN!

[Aptorian]

Brujah, on 12 February 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

The first in 2006, and the other in 2009 were far less worrisome than the latest, for many reasons.

For example, "North Korea's powerful National Defence Commission said on 23 January that the United States was its prime target for a nuclear test " The stakes are higher. This isn't something minor, not because of what I believe it means, but for the way the rest of the world might view it. Testing nukes is the last topic to scoff at, even if this was test number 1 or test number 10. It's dangerous and disheartening, no matter WHO is setting off/testing nuclear weapons, including ourselves.

Ignore everything that the sensationalist media tells you and ask yourself this. Besides South Korea, who would North Korea attack and why? As it is North Korea knows full well that nobody wants to fuck with a country that has a potential conscript army of 4-5 million brainwashed peasants. You think the occupation of Iraq has been bad? Oh boy, it would be a walk in the park compared to NC. Nobody is going to bomb them, certainly not with nukes, because that would make China and Russia loose their cool. So why are they doing all this? Because North Korea is a) living in a different century they have absolutely nothing to bargain with the outside world with, so they need something else, namely respect/fear and c) they are fucking crazy.

North Korea is like a small nuclear chi-hua-hua, it desperately wants you to think of it as a big scary dog, it's always begging for scraps... oh and if you leave it outside it might freeze to death during the winter.

[Obdigore]

Aptorius, on 12 February 2013 - 07:42 AM, said:

Brujah, on 12 February 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

The first in 2006, and the other in 2009 were far less worrisome than the latest, for many reasons.

For example, "North Korea's powerful National Defence Commission said on 23 January that the United States was its prime target for a nuclear test " The stakes are higher. This isn't something minor, not because of what I believe it means, but for the way the rest of the world might view it. Testing nukes is the last topic to scoff at, even if this was test number 1 or test number 10. It's dangerous and disheartening, no matter WHO is setting off/testing nuclear weapons, including ourselves.

Ignore everything that the sensationalist media tells you and ask yourself this. Besides South Korea, who would North Korea attack and why? As it is North Korea knows full well that nobody wants to fuck with a country that has a potential conscript army of 4-5 million brainwashed peasants. You think the occupation of Iraq has been bad? Oh boy, it would be a walk in the park compared to NC. Nobody is going to bomb them, certainly not with nukes, because that would make China and Russia loose their cool. So why are they doing all this? Because North Korea is a) living in a different century they have absolutely nothing to bargain with the outside world with, so they need something else, namely respect/fear and c) they are fucking crazy.

North Korea is like a small nuclear chi-hua-hua, it desperately wants you to think of it as a big scary dog, it's always begging for scraps... oh and if you leave it outside it might freeze to death during the winter.

If China and SK stopped food aid, the entire country of NK would starve. Which would motivate them to invade SK for food, most likely. SK doesn't want that because they don't want to be at war with a nuclear capable country. China doesn't want that because it would give the US an excuse to 'pacify' NK and establish a ton of bases right next to them to prevent their eventual expansion. NK is just the little kid who wants to sit at the adult table while not being able to take care of themselves. Kim Jong Un isn't crazy. He doesn't believe he is actually a god. He doesn't want his lifestyle to end, he isn't going to do anything that will cause him to be utterly destroyed by either China or the US.

[D'iversify]

North Korea's economy has been on life support since the 1990s, nuclear arms are just a means of deterring external intervention given that the real problem is subversion from within. NK might keep going with Chinese support for a few decades more, but I don't think its military can ultimately prop up what's essentially a failed state indefinitely. Moreover, it's increasingly unable to compete in an increasingly technology and communications-driven world economy, so will either have to open up to some extent (like China did with Deng Xiaoping) or will be so left behind as to be a total economic backwater (if that's not already happened). The economic model NK pursues worked quite well in the 20th century, but today it is, in its pure form at least, as outdated as the feudal state.

On a socio-economic point, I'm not suggesting, a la Fukuyama, that all states move towards capitalistic liberal democracy - very much the opposite, I think both the extremes of laissez-faire capitalism and state communism are maladapted as economic models in the developing 21st century world economy.Frankly, I'm not sure what we're moving towards, but I don't think it's going to fit anyone in particular's ideals for the future.

This post has been edited by D'iversify: 12 February 2013 - 11:03 AM

[Abyss]

One man's underground nuclear bomb test is another man's attempt to summon Cthulhu.

[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

Abyss, on 12 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

One man's underground nuclear bomb test is another man's attempt to summon Cthulhu.

Don't you mean "Cathulhu"?

[Abyss]

Miss Savage, on 12 February 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Abyss, on 12 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

One man's underground nuclear bomb test is another man's attempt to summon Cthulhu.

Don't you mean "Cathulhu"?

Nah. Have you ever tried to get a cat to come when called? An Old One is way more likely.

[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

Abyss, on 12 February 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

Miss Savage, on 12 February 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Abyss, on 12 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

One man's underground nuclear bomb test is another man's attempt to summon Cthulhu.

Don't you mean "Cathulhu"?

Nah. Have you ever tried to get a cat to come when called? An Old One is way more likely.

It just worked for me, dinnit?

Edited for that.

This post has been edited by Miss Savage: 13 February 2013 - 10:19 AM

[Shinrei]

Actually that seismic activity? It was me. Chili dogs for lunch AND dinner.













Sorry.

[Tiste Simeon]

Well between this & a bunch of idiots online saying that if the new pope is black (a possibility) then according to the bible its the end of the world (it doesn't say that) I would say we're pretty much boned!

[worry]

He said that N. Korea is going to have to learn that meeting its obligations to the international community is the only way it won't become even more isolated. In other words, he ain't worried.

Also, did you just reply to yourself and call you B?

[Brujah]

What does this 'B' mean, precious?

[Abyss]

Miss Savage, on 12 February 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

It just worked for me, dinnit?
...

I don't see how.

worrywort, on 13 February 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

He said that N. Korea is going to have to learn that meeting its obligations to the international community is the only way it won't become even more isolated. In other words, he ain't worried...

They can be MORE isolated? Geez, short of a 'cone of silence' what's left?

[pathos]

Abyss, on 13 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

worrywort, on 13 February 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

He said that N. Korea is going to have to learn that meeting its obligations to the international community is the only way it won't become even more isolated. In other words, he ain't worried...

They can be MORE isolated? Geez, short of a 'cone of silence' what's left?

Not even being able to read theonion.com ?