[Ryadd Eleis]

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

The draw scenario doesn't require one of the town teams to be eradicated. Why would you think this? Town A wins just by having a majority. You're even suggesting this is worrisome, man, especially since I've had you on my team and my most sure choice for town. Could Ryadd have been turned? I just don't see any logic that includes losing any town before scum.

Indeed I believe you are correct that a town faction only needs a majority over another town faction. But I put the suggestion out there because it's still a viable choice (and I hate voting night), and moreover I wanted to get people to start discussing possibilities.

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I thought it was Tulas, but maybe it's someone we least expect. Plus Ryadd, if you're believing Tulas's post on who is in which town, I'd ask why.

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What makes you think I'm going off what Tulas says?

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It's possible for us all to even achieve a standoff close to where we stand. Maybe. Maybe not. We should at least consider it before attacking each other. The only person benefiting from the NK of korabas and future town deaths is Tulas. Scum need us right now not to Lynch them. Killing town doesn't promote that. It was either Tulas or the recruitment mechanism for goodkinders grabbed one of our good town, and they're working against us. Something is up. Prazec claimed killing Korabas, right? Does that fit a mod puppet role? But wasting out Lynch on Prazec might also screw us, by giving Tulas or scum another night kill. We need to Lynch very wisely.

If something is up, as you say, then something has to be done. Or at the very least we need to try and do something. Voting night is the most passive choice to my mind. I barely stomached it the first time, I don't know if I can lower myself to doing it again





Edit: Added 'can'

This post has been edited by Ryadd Eleis: 22 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

Plus Ryadd, if you're believing Tulas's post on who is in which town, I'd ask why.

I took that as Ryadd basically claiming both Kesso and Dejim, not as Ryadd believing TS.

[Korvalain]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

The draw scenario doesn't require one of the town teams to be eradicated. Why would you think this? Town A wins just by having a majority. You're even suggesting this is worrisome, man, especially since I've had you on my team and my most sure choice for town. Could Ryadd have been turned? I just don't see any logic that includes losing any town before scum.

Indeed I believe you are correct that a town faction only needs a majority over another town faction. But I put the suggestion out there because it's still a viable choice (and I hate voting night), and moreover I wanted to get people to start discussing possibilities.

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I thought it was Tulas, but maybe it's someone we least expect. Plus Ryadd, if you're believing Tulas's post on who is in which town, I'd ask why.

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What makes you think I'm going off what Tulas says?

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It's possible for us all to even achieve a standoff close to where we stand. Maybe. Maybe not. We should at least consider it before attacking each other. The only person benefiting from the NK of korabas and future town deaths is Tulas. Scum need us right now not to Lynch them. Killing town doesn't promote that. It was either Tulas or the recruitment mechanism for goodkinders grabbed one of our good town, and they're working against us. Something is up. Prazec claimed killing Korabas, right? Does that fit a mod puppet role? But wasting out Lynch on Prazec might also screw us, by giving Tulas or scum another night kill. We need to Lynch very wisely.

If something is up, as you say, then something has to be done. Or at the very least we need to try and do something. Voting night is the most passive choice to my mind. I barely stomached it the first time, I don't know if I lower myself to doing it again

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

And if Dejim is wrong? You know who/what I am. Once I'm lynched and you decide you do need an NK? I think TS has the game won. But I want to see him lose an alt first.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

So, the plan was: Guard does his thing on Tulas. Sukul hits Tulas. Everybody else chill.

Korabas died.

The plan evidently failed at either one or two levels:

1. Guard did his thing on Tulas, but Sukul killed Korabas rather than try to kill Tulas.

2. Guard did his thing on Tulas, Sukul hit Tulas, but unknown member has Vigs/Kill ability.

Occam's razor says that #1 is the most likely option, because Sukul needs to narrow down town as well as get rid of Tulas to win. However, not doing so would be immediately obvious (hello this post), and he'd get lynched for the Korabas kill.

The second is possible, but that means we have either a second killer around or somebody throwing around vigs aiming at town. Which is more concerning as we know where the threats stand if that isn't the case.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 22 April 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

And if Dejim is wrong? You know who/what I am. Once I'm lynched and you decide you do need an NK? I think TS has the game won. But I want to see him lose an alt first.

We might know who/what you are. But we don't know what you are actually doing with who and what you are.

There is another option to lynching Sukul. It is quite extreme. But, it'd be interesting to say the least.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, the plan was: Guard does his thing on Tulas. Sukul hits Tulas. Everybody else chill.

Korabas died.

The plan evidently failed at either one or two levels:

1. Guard did his thing on Tulas, but Sukul killed Korabas rather than try to kill Tulas.

2. Guard did his thing on Tulas, Sukul hit Tulas, but unknown member has Vigs/Kill ability.

Occam's razor says that #1 is the most likely option, because Sukul needs to narrow down town as well as get rid of Tulas to win. However, not doing so would be immediately obvious (hello this post), and he'd get lynched for the Korabas kill.

The second is possible, but that means we have either a second killer around or somebody throwing around vigs aiming at town. Which is more concerning as we know where the threats stand if that isn't the case.

I actually about 85% believe that Sukul did indeed target Tulas. Mostly because Tulas hasn't stopped trying to drive a wedge through the fragile alliance. Because an Essel died, I assume that it was either Tulas getting through, or an Eriksonian trying to even out the town faction numbers.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

There is another option to lynching Sukul. It is quite extreme. But, it'd be interesting to say the least.

Well, being me, I'm always up for an extreme option. Can you give more details, or is it more of a 'just do it' thing?

[Dejim Nebrahl]

If Tulas can reach through a guard then we are kind of fucked no matter what, so I'll take that as WCS and pretty much automatic loss, and thus throw it out of the options.

How many guards do we have?

[Ryadd Eleis]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:50 PM, said:

If Tulas can reach through a guard then we are kind of fucked no matter what, so I'll take that as WCS and pretty much automatic loss, and thus throw it out of the options.

How many guards do we have?

Well, you said someone guarded you. So...at least one? But I certainly don't rightly know.

[Korvalain]

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

Please don't take that tone with me. Don't tell me how to post or label it as paranoia. Telling me to post 'normal' at this point in the game isn't accomplishing anything. It's not paranoia to explore all options this close to the end of the game, and if you're not anything but what you're trying to appear as, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

And saying I only said 'something' because I was one of your choices is akin to telling someone that you just shot in the foot that they're only mad because you shit them. It's redundant. OMGUS is close to going out of the window right now. As I am the person whom I can trust the most to still be working for my teams win, then anyone choosing me are definitely at least worth looking at a little closer. So you can also 'cut the shit' and don't presume to tell me how to post, and we can both post 'normal' and like adults.

You did definitely peak my interest when suggesting lynching town before scum, though, so I have cause to look into it. If there's nothing there then don't worry about it. I don't like how you seem to think you know who is on which town team for certain, either. That should be something to worry about after such threats as....oh I'd say.....whoever is killing town still. You'd Lynch a member of town today, then have another possibility of another town death tonight? Sorry, but that just seemed very stupid to me.

We have no idea what Tulas has said was true or not, but he is saying there are two scum left. If so, then that person would be recruited town, at least most likely. We need to pursue any route but the lynching of town, and I'll be wary of anyone suggesting so. So should you.

Now you don't have to like me or agree with my positions, but if you're who you say you are then we need to stick close and help each other.

So I'd like to ask, who do we think the other scum is, assuming there is one, and why aren't we interested in killing him?

Most importantly, if we were hoping to depend on Sukul going after Tulas for us, that would have been a possibility before we lost korabas. That just clouds things too much.

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, the plan was: Guard does his thing on Tulas. Sukul hits Tulas. Everybody else chill.

Korabas died.

The plan evidently failed at either one or two levels:

1. Guard did his thing on Tulas, but Sukul killed Korabas rather than try to kill Tulas.

2. Guard did his thing on Tulas, Sukul hit Tulas, but unknown member has Vigs/Kill ability.

Occam's razor says that #1 is the most likely option, because Sukul needs to narrow down town as well as get rid of Tulas to win. However, not doing so would be immediately obvious (hello this post), and he'd get lynched for the Korabas kill.

The second is possible, but that means we have either a second killer around or somebody throwing around vigs aiming at town. Which is more concerning as we know where the threats stand if that isn't the case.

I actually about 85% believe that Sukul did indeed target Tulas. Mostly because Tulas hasn't stopped trying to drive a wedge through the fragile alliance. Because an Essel died, I assume that it was either Tulas getting through, or an Eriksonian trying to even out the town faction numbers.

Dude, no town is going after another town in the situation we're in. This also assumes there is a townie out there with NK capability, in which I'm sure they'd use it on Tulas or scum, and not town. I don't like this line of thought, Ryadd.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

We need two guards, of either town faction working together (or Scum if they want in the fun), and no NKs to make it work 100%.

[Dejim Nebrahl]

That is barring a recruiter still being around. Any recruiters out there want everyone to win but Tulas?

[Ryadd Eleis]

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

Please don't take that tone with me. Don't tell me how to post or label it as paranoia. Telling me to post 'normal' at this point in the game isn't accomplishing anything. It's not paranoia to explore all options this close to the end of the game, and if you're not anything but what you're trying to appear as, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

And saying I only said 'something' because I was one of your choices is akin to telling someone that you just shot in the foot that they're only mad because you shit them. It's redundant. OMGUS is close to going out of the window right now. As I am the person whom I can trust the most to still be working for my teams win, then anyone choosing me are definitely at least worth looking at a little closer. So you can also 'cut the shit' and don't presume to tell me how to post, and we can both post 'normal' and like adults.

You did definitely peak my interest when suggesting lynching town before scum, though, so I have cause to look into it. If there's nothing there then don't worry about it. I don't like how you seem to think you know who is on which town team for certain, either. That should be something to worry about after such threats as....oh I'd say.....whoever is killing town still. You'd Lynch a member of town today, then have another possibility of another town death tonight? Sorry, but that just seemed very stupid to me.

We have no idea what Tulas has said was true or not, but he is saying there are two scum left. If so, then that person would be recruited town, at least most likely. We need to pursue any route but the lynching of town, and I'll be wary of anyone suggesting so. So should you.

Now you don't have to like me or agree with my positions, but if you're who you say you are then we need to stick close and help each other.

So I'd like to ask, who do we think the other scum is, assuming there is one, and why aren't we interested in killing him?

Most importantly, if we were hoping to depend on Sukul going after Tulas for us, that would have been a possibility before we lost korabas. That just clouds things too much.

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, the plan was: Guard does his thing on Tulas. Sukul hits Tulas. Everybody else chill.

Korabas died.

The plan evidently failed at either one or two levels:

1. Guard did his thing on Tulas, but Sukul killed Korabas rather than try to kill Tulas.

2. Guard did his thing on Tulas, Sukul hit Tulas, but unknown member has Vigs/Kill ability.

Occam's razor says that #1 is the most likely option, because Sukul needs to narrow down town as well as get rid of Tulas to win. However, not doing so would be immediately obvious (hello this post), and he'd get lynched for the Korabas kill.

The second is possible, but that means we have either a second killer around or somebody throwing around vigs aiming at town. Which is more concerning as we know where the threats stand if that isn't the case.

I actually about 85% believe that Sukul did indeed target Tulas. Mostly because Tulas hasn't stopped trying to drive a wedge through the fragile alliance. Because an Essel died, I assume that it was either Tulas getting through, or an Eriksonian trying to even out the town faction numbers.

Dude, no town is going after another town in the situation we're in. This also assumes there is a townie out there with NK capability, in which I'm sure they'd use it on Tulas or scum, and not town. I don't like this line of thought, Ryadd.

Korv mate, I'm afraid that you are the only possibility for another Goodkinder at this juncture. So, unless you're accusing yourself, there's only one scum left, and it's Sukul.

I do agree that it would be insane of a townie with an NK to NOT use it on Tulas. So, all things being equal (in mafia? Hah!), Tulas most likely killed Korabas. But, just like you're saying, can't rule anything out.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

We need two guards, of either town faction working together (or Scum if they want in the fun), and no NKs to make it work 100%.

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

That is barring a recruiter still being around. Any recruiters out there want everyone to win but Tulas?

Curiouser and curiouser. I have no idea if you'll get any confirmation on this. Or even what it's supposed to do.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

We need two guards, of either town faction working together (or Scum if they want in the fun), and no NKs to make it work 100%.

I've got to get up quite early tomorrow, my NA is already in and ’noted'. No changing for me. Lynch me or not. But I will do this before leaving. I obviously think that we stand a better chance of getting rid of TS with me than without.

Remove Vote

[Dejim Nebrahl]

Worth a shot asking.

Still, need guards for it to work. One at the very least.

I'm going to think over it. Lots of ways for it to utterly fail, but we seem to not be making any headway.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

That is barring a recruiter still being around. Any recruiters out there want everyone to win but Tulas?

Sorry, Terry's Righteous Warriors lost the only recruiter I know of when Hinter/Bubba got nailed.

[Korvalain]

Ryadd Eleis, on 23 April 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 22 April 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I never suggested voting night. I don't think that is a good idea at all. The only thing I do know is that lynching any town is the most stupid possible route, and it makes me uneasy for you to suggest it. And now that Sukul is voting for me, I'd have to say he'd now become my first lynch choice, or if Tulas is to be believed, whoever the other goodkind is.

Are you in comms with Nimander right now? If so, with who else? You're new stance is definitely making me wary of you.

Can you cut it out for one post with the paranoia crap and just post normally?

Besides, you only think it's a stupid idea because you're one of my suggestions If everyone is down with voting for Sukul and saying bugger it to working with scum, I am very much down with that plan too. Dejim says we don't need scum. Thus.

Please don't take that tone with me. Don't tell me how to post or label it as paranoia. Telling me to post 'normal' at this point in the game isn't accomplishing anything. It's not paranoia to explore all options this close to the end of the game, and if you're not anything but what you're trying to appear as, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

And saying I only said 'something' because I was one of your choices is akin to telling someone that you just shot in the foot that they're only mad because you shit them. It's redundant. OMGUS is close to going out of the window right now. As I am the person whom I can trust the most to still be working for my teams win, then anyone choosing me are definitely at least worth looking at a little closer. So you can also 'cut the shit' and don't presume to tell me how to post, and we can both post 'normal' and like adults.

You did definitely peak my interest when suggesting lynching town before scum, though, so I have cause to look into it. If there's nothing there then don't worry about it. I don't like how you seem to think you know who is on which town team for certain, either. That should be something to worry about after such threats as....oh I'd say.....whoever is killing town still. You'd Lynch a member of town today, then have another possibility of another town death tonight? Sorry, but that just seemed very stupid to me.

We have no idea what Tulas has said was true or not, but he is saying there are two scum left. If so, then that person would be recruited town, at least most likely. We need to pursue any route but the lynching of town, and I'll be wary of anyone suggesting so. So should you.

Now you don't have to like me or agree with my positions, but if you're who you say you are then we need to stick close and help each other.

So I'd like to ask, who do we think the other scum is, assuming there is one, and why aren't we interested in killing him?

Most importantly, if we were hoping to depend on Sukul going after Tulas for us, that would have been a possibility before we lost korabas. That just clouds things too much.

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 April 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

Dejim Nebrahl, on 22 April 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

So, the plan was: Guard does his thing on Tulas. Sukul hits Tulas. Everybody else chill.

Korabas died.

The plan evidently failed at either one or two levels:

1. Guard did his thing on Tulas, but Sukul killed Korabas rather than try to kill Tulas.

2. Guard did his thing on Tulas, Sukul hit Tulas, but unknown member has Vigs/Kill ability.

Occam's razor says that #1 is the most likely option, because Sukul needs to narrow down town as well as get rid of Tulas to win. However, not doing so would be immediately obvious (hello this post), and he'd get lynched for the Korabas kill.

The second is possible, but that means we have either a second killer around or somebody throwing around vigs aiming at town. Which is more concerning as we know where the threats stand if that isn't the case.

I actually about 85% believe that Sukul did indeed target Tulas. Mostly because Tulas hasn't stopped trying to drive a wedge through the fragile alliance. Because an Essel died, I assume that it was either Tulas getting through, or an Eriksonian trying to even out the town faction numbers.

Dude, no town is going after another town in the situation we're in. This also assumes there is a townie out there with NK capability, in which I'm sure they'd use it on Tulas or scum, and not town. I don't like this line of thought, Ryadd.

Korv mate, I'm afraid that you are the only possibility for another Goodkinder at this juncture. So, unless you're accusing yourself, there's only one scum left, and it's Sukul.

I do agree that it would be insane of a townie with an NK to NOT use it on Tulas. So, all things being equal (in mafia? Hah!), Tulas most likely killed Korabas. But, just like you're saying, can't rule anything out.

I agree that you can't rule me out as a recruit possibility, if there is one, because to do so is irresponsible, but saying I'm the only possibility is incorrect. Didn't you say you could do finds, or was that someone else. Find me. But if Sukul is the last scum left then we can solve this issue by voting Sukul. IfSukul is the last scum and if guarding Tulas does work, then we shouldn't fear any further town NKs. If we Lynch Sukul and another town DOES die, then there is another scum, or Tulas can't be guarded, and if he can't be guarded we're pretty much fucked anyway.

Which might be the case. Who's to say Tulas has really been guarded at night, perhaps that's what he wanted us to think. Maybe he's just waiting for some NAs to respawn.

If Sukul did Target Tulas the night Korabas died, then Tulas killed Korabas assuming these two are the only two players. I'd just wonder why Tulas didn't kill Sukul instead, if he was the one to kill Korabas. So again I feel it was Sukul, or some other completely different suspect we've not even considered.

It may or may not be the right decision, but I'm leaning towards Sukul as our best lynch. I don't think voting night is the right choice, and I have no better options than Sukul, a known scum. We'll either at least get some info as far as who dies tonight with Sukul dead, or if we did need Sukul, we'll be told Tulas has no chance to lose and game ends.

I'm hoping we would still have options. If we don't lynch Sukul, another town might die, or more who knows. How many can we lose before a town win is out. Or we trust Sukul to hit Tulas again, AND hope this actually does something. But with Sukul and Tulas both alive, the scenario where korabas was NKed is repeated.

Tough choices.
For now.

remove vote
Vote Sukul

I'll change if we have a better path. I'm all ears.