[Tellan]

OK, I'm back, and I'll be around pretty much constantly for the next couple of days. 10 pages to catch up on now though...

[Galayn Lord]

Karosis said:

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What I find interesting is that now an actual train has formed on Eloth, people are derailing it by voting elsewhere. I understand Bendal Home wanting us to vote with him as he genuinly wants to lynch Ryll and has from the start, also Eloth is not going to lay down and take it either. All three people with votes have merit, to add to the Ryll case, my 2 cents he is trying to paint someone else off as Goodkind/Scum but it looks as though he is Goodkind scum casting doubt on Fanderay and wants to see who follows.

Ryllandaras said:

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Fanderay said:

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Checking in, and I can see there is already an incest reference. Great start!

Only a Goodkinder would like twisted sexual references.

vote Fanderay

Now if we were to go for one of Ryll or D'riss then that would require another 12 votes, or 7 votes to lynch Eloth who is the FM (What I think)



If we do end up swinging away from Eloth then we will find THAT scummy in and of itself. I do not think we have enough time to swing in another direction unless we have a good amount of people online. So it comes down to whether we want a lynch or not. (Some people have said they will not be back).

Yeah, you are right. I doubt there is time to swing a different way, and I'd rather have a lynch than no lynch, so I'll probably end up voting, just not yet.

I mean seriously, how dumb do you have to be to speculate about the SK/FM on day 1 if that was the role you were given? I don't think I've ever seen that happen. Based on how it seems that we always like to lynch the person who begins role speculation, I would have leaned more towards jester than FM (which is why I hate jester, it makes me rethink everything). I don't think Eloth is the jester though, so I'd be willing to vote along if nothing else speaks to me.

[Tulas Shorn]

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

OK, I'm back, and I'll be around pretty much constantly for the next couple of days. 10 pages to catch up on now though...

that was a powerful summoning spell eh, Tellan?

[Tulas Shorn]

@Kilava, you need to get anon


Eloth seems to be glad that Bendal H has shown up to pressure the truth out of Ryl - I will say it seems to be working

[Karosis]

Tulas Shorn, on 26 March 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

@Kilava, you need to get anon


Eloth seems to be glad that Bendal H has shown up to pressure the truth out of Ryl - I will say it seems to be working

What are your thoughts with the Eloth, Ryll and D'riss votes? Are you leaning a particular way? I agree with your BH pressuring Ryll, it is fun to watch.

[Desra]

I am here, gonna catch up.. Back in a few.

[Eloth]

Galayn Lord, on 26 March 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Yeah, you are right. I doubt there is time to swing a different way, and I'd rather have a lynch than no lynch, so I'll probably end up voting, just not yet.

I mean seriously, how dumb do you have to be to speculate about the SK/FM on day 1 if that was the role you were given? I don't think I've ever seen that happen. Based on how it seems that we always like to lynch the person who begins role speculation, I would have leaned more towards jester than FM (which is why I hate jester, it makes me rethink everything). I don't think Eloth is the jester though, so I'd be willing to vote along if nothing else speaks to me.

I'm not the one that started the speculation about the FM, by the way. That was BH, and then Korlat as evidenced by these two posts, the first of which was posted before I even said a word about a FM...

Bendal Home, on 25 March 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

The SK will probably be a FM. With different kill abilities and perhaps jump abilities into each of his alts.

...the second of which was a crosspost with my first post about a FM, where I question BH's assumption that the SK is a FM.

Korlat, on 25 March 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

2 x 4 scum (8 players)
2 x 8 town (16 players)
3 indies

looks to me as most likely

I agree with the FM thought but will all 3 of his alts be FM? doubtful

[Desra]

Kilava, on 26 March 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

I'm caught up for today. While I agree that it is important to lynch with so many of us, why the hell is D'riss not voting?! I'm thinking he doesn't want to participate in the discussions for some reason. I could see him coming in at the end and dropping a hammer vote so he can prove he's "participating".

Strawmanning is also not really kosher either you know .

Maybe you should wait for a person to actually do those scummy things you have "predicted" BEFORE you start vilifying him?
I regularly found that scum need to use your exact strawmanish tactics more often than town since they need to... in order to make inno's look scummy.

Yes, I agree... If D'riss was worried about not lynching he should have dropped a vote. But then again there could be many innocent reasons he didnt.
But you created some kind of strawman version of Driss that all of the sudden "doesnt want to participate in the discussion"...and your reasons for this suspision of non participation? ...oh.."for SOME REASON" Thumb sucking much?

And the last line is great...now he cant even come back and place a vote, when him coming back later to place a vote is the most likely scenario to happen given his worry about lynches and his non vote...clever setup.
Im not saying D'riss is inno....im just saying that this style of subtle setup, prediction and strawman combo is classic scum play in my book.


meh

I agree with Kilava here. Ryll really paints D'riss into a corner here. No matter what he does when he comes back, Ryll can just point at him say "Told you so!" and vote him as scum. I'm not saying D'riss wasn't acting weird, especially with leaving a game with no vote dropped knowing he wouldn't be back. But Ryll basically painted him into a corner with his "predictive" post.

[Desra]

Denesmet, on 26 March 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

I may or may not be back in time for end of day, so I had better vote now. Eloth certainly looks like the favorite at the moment so I'll add my vote there. Nothing else is really a case and day 1 is generally a random crap-shoot anyway.

Vote Eloth

Wow... quality vote right here. Want lynch much?

[Nenanda]

^ Agree with Desra & Kilava above, and I'm also not convinced by this train on Eloth. Sure, it's a bit weird to speculate, but he wasn't the only one doing it about that specific role... and it just doesn't make as much sense as the Ryll vote. And Ryll did point out how Eloth was speculating on the role in the first place, so considering the number of votes on Eloth now, I'd say Ryll semi-successfully deflected.

Not that any of these are particularly strong cases, but I'd still like to keep my vote where it is.

[Desra]

Eloth, on 26 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Great googly-moogly!

You go away for a good night's sleep, and half a train builds on you on nothing.

Just for the record, as far as I can see, the case on me is that I was trying to push the "no FM thing," according to people.

When really, it's just a couple of people immediately latching on to the first thing that someone has said that could possibly make them look scummy. And really, I argued both sides of the argument on that one, which I will prove momentarily via a bit of quote fu.

I don't think a train built for nothing. While other people did in fact bring up the FM you continued to feel it necessary to point out that the SK isn't necessarily a FM and vise versa. You repeatedly went out of your way to say it. Why? I assume you are aware of the Mafia "rule" that states he who speculates on a role is likely affected by it. Most people would have left well enough alone, but you kept hammering away that the SK wasn't necessarily a FM. It stuck out to me as very odd. Combine that with the fact that you admit that you have 3 roles all with abilities. I've seen worse day 1 cases.

[Desra]

underlined mine

Ryllandaras, on 26 March 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

You deliberately misunderstand the facts. I read the op, but NOT D'reks response to Korbas. This is a stupid argument.

I was all set to say BH was overreacting, and then you come up with this defense. I think he may have hit on something and you are running out of excuses.

[Eloth]

Desra, on 26 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

I don't think a train built for nothing. While other people did in fact bring up the FM you continued to feel it necessary to point out that the SK isn't necessarily a FM and vise versa. You repeatedly went out of your way to say it. Why? I assume you are aware of the Mafia "rule" that states he who speculates on a role is likely affected by it. Most people would have left well enough alone, but you kept hammering away that the SK wasn't necessarily a FM. It stuck out to me as very odd. Combine that with the fact that you admit that you have 3 roles all with abilities. I've seen worse day 1 cases.

This is such a load of crap. This game is built to have all kinds of roles with abilities. Anyone who thinks that someone's gonna get a RI in this game is a complete idiot. Everyone will have 3 roles with abilities, even if some of those abilities are as simple as a NK ability, or a Guard, or a Heal.

[Desra]

Eloth, on 26 March 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

As Mockra later pointed out, it is very clearly stated in the OP that only one of the four factions can win. This is deliberate misreading, whereas the case against me rests on my telling people that it's not safe to assume there's a FM, or that the SK MUST be a FM.

It isn't, in fact ,"clearly stated" It took me a couple read throughs to see. You painting it as deliberate misreading is self serving. Then again you are on the chopping block, so I suppose that's to be expected. I am not sure if thats indicative of you being scum, or being under lynch pressure.

[Desra]

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

Do you guys see how misdirecting this post is???!!!

[Silchas Ruin]

I'm jumping on the train for Eloth for 3 reasons. ( I'll be around for a while after this)

1. I was one of the first to notice/comment on Eloths FM SK comments so I want to see what the result of his lynch is.

2. It's the biggest train right now, and any lynch is better than no lynch Day 1.

3. If Eloth is "inno", then those hounding him for his comments become much more suspicious.

So

Vote Eloth

[Desra]

Eloth, on 26 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Desra, on 26 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

I don't think a train built for nothing. While other people did in fact bring up the FM you continued to feel it necessary to point out that the SK isn't necessarily a FM and vise versa. You repeatedly went out of your way to say it. Why? I assume you are aware of the Mafia "rule" that states he who speculates on a role is likely affected by it. Most people would have left well enough alone, but you kept hammering away that the SK wasn't necessarily a FM. It stuck out to me as very odd. Combine that with the fact that you admit that you have 3 roles all with abilities. I've seen worse day 1 cases.

This is such a load of crap. This game is built to have all kinds of roles with abilities. Anyone who thinks that someone's gonna get a RI in this game is a complete idiot. Everyone will have 3 roles with abilities, even if some of those abilities are as simple as a NK ability, or a Guard, or a Heal.

So in that entire post, that's what you respond to?

vote Eloth


for the reasons stated above. I'd be happy to revisit the Ryll case tomorrow, but I think Eloth is the better lynch today.

[Silchas Ruin]

Eloth, on 26 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Desra, on 26 March 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

I don't think a train built for nothing. While other people did in fact bring up the FM you continued to feel it necessary to point out that the SK isn't necessarily a FM and vise versa. You repeatedly went out of your way to say it. Why? I assume you are aware of the Mafia "rule" that states he who speculates on a role is likely affected by it. Most people would have left well enough alone, but you kept hammering away that the SK wasn't necessarily a FM. It stuck out to me as very odd. Combine that with the fact that you admit that you have 3 roles all with abilities. I've seen worse day 1 cases.

This is such a load of crap. This game is built to have all kinds of roles with abilities. Anyone who thinks that someone's gonna get a RI in this game is a complete idiot. Everyone will have 3 roles with abilities, even if some of those abilities are as simple as a NK ability, or a Guard, or a Heal.

Even while voting you, I have to agree. Why would a game meant to commemorate all the best roles in ME mafia history have RIs?

[Tellan]

Tulas Shorn, on 26 March 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Here for a picosecond

Work sucks

Back soon hopefully

Do you guys not see how scummy this post is???!!!

Vote Tellan

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

OK, I'm back, and I'll be around pretty much constantly for the next couple of days. 10 pages to catch up on now though...

that was a powerful summoning spell eh, Tellan?

Meh, unfortunate timing is all. Not sure what Prazec's problem is. Unlike him I haven't spent the last 24 hours, sitting in my skivvies in front of the PC, switching windows between mafia and xhamster.

Had a spead read to catch up so no doubt have missed some of the more subtle points. Happy with Eloth or Rhyll, probably more so Rhyll due to the way he went all headless when a little pressure was applied.

[Desra]

X-post with Silchas.

What does that put the count at?