[Mockra]

Also, trim your sodding posts, people! That cute little arrow button will take to you see the post in all its original quotey glory, you don't need layers and layers of quotes when the discussion has changed focus.

Also this skin keeps shoving text size tags into the quote id and I don't know why and it's driving me insaaaaaaane.

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

What do you think?

I hopped on Eloth for the same statement yesterday that everybody will have three roles with abilities.

I could be wrong about Amp, but I'm not wrong about the theory being basically incorrect.

manners, but I'm not going to say I'm convinced

[D'riss]

Tulas Shorn, on 27 March 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

What do you think?

I hopped on Eloth for the same statement yesterday that everybody will have three roles with abilities.

I could be wrong about Amp, but I'm not wrong about the theory being basically incorrect.

manners, but I'm not going to say I'm convinced

I wouldn't figure it would convince people itself. There is still strange action there as well. I have no problem with people voting Ampelas, completely dismissing the idea of effectively RI roles on the otherhand, yeah. That I do need to disagree with if only to abuse my team members into stop admitting they are fully roled.

[Mockra]

Monok Ochem, on 27 March 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

Lol, I can just imagine you pounding my head against a brick wall whilst screaming, 'ACKNOWLEDGE IT, ACKNOWLEDGE IT!!!'


I believe my particular case is fairly rare - although definitely not the only one if my reading of posts is any good.


I had a post, some time ago, in which I said that the particular things taken from previous games might be more mundane than people assume. I'll go find it if you want. Well, I wasn't getting that from thin air, I was speaking from my own situation. This particular role is from a famous game, yes, but it is just an RI from that game. Nothing more. It doesn't even have a proper name. That's how, upon my CF, you will know I am town.

I am going to do a deeper read in a little while, mainly cause I'm busy with post-dinner stuff atm, but I just have to say that I find the above by Amp highlighted in red patently ridiculous. If anyone else wants to substantiate his claim by saying they have a RI role as well, please do, because I find it very hard to believe D'rek would give someone a nameless RI in this game (especially with the CF's we've seen so far).

As I said, I need to read over everything, again. But that comment alone has made you lynch worth in my eyes (not even the SR thing was altogether convincing). I will judge for myself as to whether or not your CF is convincing like the Jester's.

Vote Ampelas

There has already been one other person who has more or less done so on thread, actually. And actually, I feel suspicious of you for asking this of someone. Mind you, you've been very good about being super helpful on thread, haven't you? The fact that you're not willing to consider that there are RI riles in this game makes you suspicious in my eyes.

This might not be beneficial to me personally, but hopefully for my team as a whole it will. I have a named RI role. Amp was the first one who called out Eloth on his assumption that there are no RI roles in this game. So clearly you don't have one, neither does Eloth/Bek, and neither does... someone else who's name I don't have time to go back and find, but I think Amp called them out on that too. While Amp could still be super sneaky scum I think there's a better chance of Amp being town than Rhyll, who is, quite frankly, pretty dodgy right now.

Vote Rhyll


Ugh, edit for trimming. Jesus.

This post has been edited by Mockra: 27 March 2013 - 11:58 PM

[Mockra]

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 March 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

What do you think?

I hopped on Eloth for the same statement yesterday that everybody will have three roles with abilities.

I could be wrong about Amp, but I'm not wrong about the theory being basically incorrect.

manners, but I'm not going to say I'm convinced

I wouldn't figure it would convince people itself. There is still strange action there as well. I have no problem with people voting Ampelas, completely dismissing the idea of effectively RI roles on the otherhand, yeah. That I do need to disagree with if only to abuse my team members into stop admitting they are fully roled.

Hahahaha this is a good point.

[Skintick]

OK, let's look at this post very carefully:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

You people can be very strange, you know that? Why on earth, if I was scum, would i draw attention to myself with a new, fairly baseless vote?

And for those asking why would he do that with the cases our there already - you make it sound as if there's soooo much information on thread when there is not. The thread had gone stale and I wanted to draw other people into the conversation.

Several of you sound so big headed when you have no right to be. Because you've done nothing so far, nothing at all. You haven't even stooped to think why I would do such a thing aside from to regurgitate Karosis.

I could easily have kept my head down and not posted at all. Or just immediately hopped on Ryllandaras or Ay or Bek and ignored everything and everyone else. But I didn't. Yeah, very scummy.

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.

I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

So ... we're supposed to think about that random vote on Silchas.

And Ampelas emphasizes about how there's no information in thread ... so we're supposed to really think about his random vote on Silchas, and how his CF would give us pause for thought.

See, this ... this was designed to imply that Ampelas is a Finder. I mean, he's being pretty obvious about it. Heavy handed, even, with the implication of outside information.

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

I find it astonishing how some people seem to think that RI is not an important role. It is the foundation of mafia. It is the role which, when people have it, they should not be afraid to come and speak out, because they know they have no ability to protect and help town with behind the scenes. It is the role for which posting on thread is meant for more than any other. And as such of course it would be in a game celebrating mafia.

And then we have this, where he's practically screaming that he's actually RI.

Seriously?

[Korlat]

Mockra, on 27 March 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

Jesus.

Yes? How may I help you?

[Desra]

I'm back and caught up. I should be around up until lynch time.

[Mockra]

Right, I'm off, I shall return in a couple of hours.

[Desra]

Amp has harped on the fact that there might be RI's from day 1. D'riss has been pretty consistent in agreeing with him. Anyone who finds this to be beyond possibility is just giving themselves away in terms of power/role ability. To those people...

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

I have no problem with people voting Ampelas, completely dismissing the idea of effectively RI roles on the otherhand, yeah. That I do need to disagree with if only to abuse my team members into stop admitting they are fully roled.

D'riss nails it here.

[Desra]

Can we have an updated vote count? Pretty please.

[Desra]

I have it as 8 Rhyll and 7 amp.

Some interesting non votes happening. Both Gaylyn Lord and Fanderay both checked in briefly but didn't drop a vote.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 4 hours and 34 minutes remaining
26 Players still alive: Ampelas, Ay Estos, Bek Okhan, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

14 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Ay Estos ( Tellan )
8 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Bek Okhan, Desra, Korlat, Rashan, Kilava, D'riss, Mockra )
7 Votes for Ampelas ( Karosis, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Ultama, Ay Estos, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras )

Players not voted: Demelain, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Liosan, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Trake, Tulas Shorn

[Ampelas]

I'm going to be taking a look and posting analyses of Silchas, Skintick, and Ultama over the next couple of hours.

I'm not looking to sway voting in a different direction - I think it now has to be one of me or Ryll today. But these are the guys who hopped on me, and I think they're worth taking a closer look into.

[Skintick]

Ampelas, on 28 March 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

I'm going to be taking a look and posting analyses of Silchas, Skintick, and Ultama over the next couple of hours.

I'm not looking to sway voting in a different direction - I think it now has to be one of me or Ryll today. But these are the guys who hopped on me, and I think they're worth taking a closer look into.

Totally not a martyr complex.

Totally.

[Fanderay]

I'm around, keeping up but I'm at uni and don't have a lot of time to post. I haven't made a decision yet, because frankly I think they have both played badly. Their arguments have been made with blinkers on, and both of them have made some pretty poor decisions. I'm currently swayed more towards amp, but that could change.

[Galayn Lord]

Desra said:

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Amp has harped on the fact that there might be RI's from day 1. D'riss has been pretty consistent in agreeing with him. Anyone who finds this to be beyond possibility is just giving themselves away in terms of power/role ability. To those people...

D said:

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I have no problem with people voting Ampelas, completely dismissing the idea of effectively RI roles on the otherhand, yeah. That I do need to disagree with if only to abuse my team members into stop admitting they are fully roled.

D'riss nails it here.

Yeah, exactly. Amp's continued RI stuff makes his reveal that much more believable. I may not like some of what Amp has said, but I believe that RI claim is true. With that in mind, I will

Vote Rhyllandaras

I didn't vote earlier, cause like Fanderay, I could have gone either way. Now I've decided, and voted accordingly. Plus worth noting that Nenanda may have control over the lynch if we fail to agree on someone, which I had forgotten. Obviously not a desired outcome.

[Monok Ochem]

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 07:55 PM, said:

I think it means Eloth is town, actually. My reasoning is that I think scum teams are much smaller than town teams, but as a consequence they probably all know each other (within their own teams, I mean). Therefore, they don't need a specific ability, such as Eloth had.

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 26 March 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

There is no way to figure out her faction from the role description. D'rek might have changed the role a wee-bit.

Not with a high degree of certainty, no, course not. But we know that it will likely be fairly similar, and interpretations can be made from that. In the end, everyone's going to come to their own conclusions, I'm just stating what I suspect right now.

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Nenanda's role strikes me as either scum or serial killer - making sure a death happens during the day no matter what.

Zahska was town in espers though...

I don't think we can think about it that way, though. It would just be a little too easy. Otherwise it would be too easy to say, "Well, that person is town, because that role in a previous game was town, and that person is scum, because that role was scum..." If the number of deaths per day/night stays about as low as we've had thus far, then it would become a little too easy to identify the good/bad guys. Then it just comes down to identifying whether they're in your faction or not. Huh, having written all that and looked over it, you could be on to something too.

I'm not discounting the fact that, just as with Eloth, Nenanda could have been one or the other, but just in the context of this game, it strikes me as more of a scummy role.

I know others have brought this up, but here it is in hopefully a more concise form (if not, then ignore it. I need to write things down for my own review of the day).

Amp is very set on painting people a certain way, and when confronted with it (such as, but this person actually had a role coming from the opposite of what you said), he dissembles and tries to shrug off the comments, even saying role descriptions probably have little to do with a person's actual faction, contrary to what his own statements indicate. To be fair, he seems to take the approach that the actions of roles are more telling than the role's alignment in its original setting. So this accusation alone is not enough to pin down Amp.

Amp is also very big on writing himself off as RI. Now, while I have already stated how I feel about RIs in this game, I would hazard that openly claiming RI status is a different animal in a game where everyone has three alts/three lives. We have already seen one role, Eloth's, that powers up the longer it is ignored. Using the RI claim, Amp is telling us to go after other people who are obviously more powerful than him, and just leave him be, it's not like he's a threat in this alt.

And people like Mockra seem to stand by him in this regard. I am sorry. In this type of game, we need to assume that everyone is roled, everyone has a disastrous power, and no one is an inno just humbly using the only powers they were given, talking and voting.

These are reasons enough for me to challenge Amps assertions and attempts at appearing indifferent. His willingness to toss aside an alt seems fake and forced to me.

[Monok Ochem]

I also at this point need to mention that D'riss behaves in almost the exact same way, upping my suspicions of him for similar reasons. Interesting how people have forgot about him today...

[D'riss]

You have three players willing to be linked together stating that there are effective RI's in this game.

Willfully ignoring that, even if it is for the normal good reason of WCS fear of not letting super-powered players coast under the guise of RI, seems somewhat tunnelvisioned.

That being said, I'll reiterate that Amp's statements are someone inconsistent and for that reason I can understand the votes going that direction.