[Tulas Shorn]

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Nenanda's role strikes me as either scum or serial killer - making sure a death happens during the day no matter what.

Zahska was town in espers though...

I don't think we can think about it that way, though. It would just be a little too easy. Otherwise it would be too easy to say, "Well, that person is town, because that role in a previous game was town, and that person is scum, because that role was scum..." If the number of deaths per day/night stays about as low as we've had thus far, then it would become a little too easy to identify the good/bad guys. Then it just comes down to identifying whether they're in your faction or not. Huh, having written all that and looked over it, you could be on to something too.

I'm not discounting the fact that, just as with Eloth, Nenanda could have been one or the other, but just in the context of this game, it strikes me as more of a scummy role.

I agree that we cannot use the historical alignment of a role's name as a guide

[Korlat]

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Rhyllandros' still trying to convince us that Nenanda activated a new alt before the old alt was dead is getting weird. Bringing up why Nenanda was killed in the first place.

Ampelas' incredibly lazy vote on Silchas suggests stupidity or deflecting. Off Rhyll???

He did not seem interested in Ryll yesterday. Are you suggesting he was recruited?

I'm saying that the "lazy vote on Silchas suggests stupidity or deflecting. Off Rhyll???"

[Korlat]

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

[Bek Okhan]

ughhh

I am finding it incredibly difficult to focus on any of the various things I need to do right now. With exams coming up, this is a VERY BAD thing.



that being said, I see that Ryll still likes to believe in preemptive reincarnations. I'm afraid such idiocy might be incurable.


vote Ryllandras

Though I still think we should be voting the maste not the symp...

[Korlat]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

preemptive reincarnations. I'm afraid such idiocy might be incurable.

[Desra]

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

I think you are talking to a brick wall. I'm not sure he can get the concept.

[Bendal Home]

Ay Estos, on 27 March 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

How could I be Nenanda when both myself and Nenanda were alive at the beginning of Day 2?

Good point plus WHY aren't people voting for the obviously complete wrong and totally scummy Rhyll. Every single day he does more stuff that is scummy. But we ignore him and his scummyness and instead allow ourselves to be sidetracked by whom I am assuming are his teammates.


The above paragraph of his is filled with so much wrong information that it boggles my mind.

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Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will.

You mean other then the fact that it is said in the OP that

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When a player dies, they are given a new alt and respawn with their next role at the next Dawn phase. After dying and before respawning, they cannot perform or be the target of any actions.

Then there is this

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Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

That is also covered in the above quote from the OP.
WTF are you tired of being mildly retarded and have decided that since you didn't win the oscar last time you are going to go full retard. Don't you know your not suppose to go full retard they don't give oscars to full retards.

If I could vote for you again I would.

There should be no other conversation. All of the conjecture that has gone on about this and that and this is irrelevant in the face of such utter and complete scummy behavior for multiple days.

[Galayn Lord]

Korlat said:

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Ryllandaras said:

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Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 27 March 2013 - 07:19 PM

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Silchas Ruin, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

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Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

As the one being voted for, I have to agree. I have more than a few posts, and aranatha actually already pointed out some of them that could be framed as scummy. And yet even with that information so readily available, you go out and just vote after saying no one, not even the person you are voting, catches your interest. That is extremely scummy.

Vote Ampelas

haha OMGUS uhhhhhh

[Desra]

Actually:

vote Rhyll


for muddying the waters. I'm not so sold on BH's case, but it will be interesting to see if his raging boner is justified.


I will be willing to switch for a lynch, but prefer a Rhyll lynch as it will give us some good info.

[Bek Okhan]

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Actually:

vote Rhyll


for muddying the waters. I'm not so sold on BH's case, but it will be interesting to see if his raging boner is justified.


I will be willing to switch for a lynch, but prefer a Rhyll lynch as it will give us some good info.

hopefully.
if he is a symp, the CF could leave us up shit creek, unless it's painfully obvious.

[Ryllandaras]

Fine vote me and I'll hammer. You're all a bunch of fucktards (or scum) anyways if you can't see that the only real cases are Ay or I'm interested in Amp for some of the things he's said.

[Bendal Home]

Galayn Lord, on 27 March 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

and who mafia land would have problems with trying to misinterpret and OP time and time and bloody time again. SCUM or a symp but still scum. This whole oh he might only be a symp lets not lynch him. Ummm no he shown scummy behavior and deserves to be lynched.

[Bek Okhan]

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 27 March 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

and who mafia land would have problems with trying to misinterpret and OP time and time and bloody time again. SCUM or a symp but still scum. This whole oh he might only be a symp lets not lynch him. Ummm no he shown scummy behavior and deserves to be lynched.

you know, this fucking topic comes up every single fucking time.

do you have a contingency plan? who do you think is linked to him?

if he IS a symp, who is th emaster?

[Desra]

Also, The Ampleas vote on Silchas stinks. You can't bring up a new name with 12 hours (approx) left in the day out of the blue based on nothing other than the fact they are a middling poster who you picked with closed eyes (he admitted this!). Not sure what his motive is, but I can't see it being anything other than self serving for his team. Which makes me think distraction.

[Galayn Lord]

Bendal Home said:

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Galayn Lord said:

1364411939[/url]' post='1042771']

Korlat said:

1364411510[/url]' post='1042766']

Ryllandaras said:

1364411006[/url]' post='1042762']
Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

and who mafia land would have problems with trying to misinterpret and OP time and time and bloody time again. SCUM or a symp but still scum. This whole oh he might only be a symp lets not lynch him. Ummm no he shown scummy behavior and deserves to be lynched.

Yeah, precisely. I'm not necessarily sold on the day 1 signaling that you latched onto, but from my read through I can see that a huge amount of discussion today was regarding the jester, Ay's claim to it, and telling Ryll how he is wrong... If Ryll is scum and trying to distract the thread, it's working.

[Skintick]

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas

haha OMGUS uhhhhhh

... does this strike anyone else as strange?

[Bendal Home]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 27 March 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

and who mafia land would have problems with trying to misinterpret and OP time and time and bloody time again. SCUM or a symp but still scum. This whole oh he might only be a symp lets not lynch him. Ummm no he shown scummy behavior and deserves to be lynched.

you know, this fucking topic comes up every single fucking time.

do you have a contingency plan? who do you think is linked to him?

if he IS a symp, who is th emaster?

Fandary. I have said that from day one.

[Bendal Home]

Skintick, on 27 March 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Vote Ampelas

haha OMGUS uhhhhhh

... does this strike anyone else as strange?

Only if you don't know what OMGUS is.

[Bek Okhan]

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 27 March 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 27 March 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned.

The problem you seem to be having is understandong that no one else has even grunted that you might be right.

2 alts died. 2 alts respawned. Suggesting that just because this is an insane game structure those two facts are not related to each other is paranoia far beyond even mafia.

This exactly, it seems very cut and dry. That isn't to say some odd mechanic isn't at work here, there is just no suggestion of it outside of the quote example Ryll showed. An interesting catch, but alone isn't able to tell us much. Though Ryll has seemed to have issues with the basics of the OP from day 1... As BH would be sure to let us continually know.

Also, hello, I got lost for awhile in the extreme awesomeness that is Bioshock Infinite. I'm around now though.

Edit: formatting mess up due to ipad posting.

and who mafia land would have problems with trying to misinterpret and OP time and time and bloody time again. SCUM or a symp but still scum. This whole oh he might only be a symp lets not lynch him. Ummm no he shown scummy behavior and deserves to be lynched.

you know, this fucking topic comes up every single fucking time.

do you have a contingency plan? who do you think is linked to him?

if he IS a symp, who is th emaster?

Fandary. I have said that from day one.

but you haven't even tried to vote them. hmmm....