[Korlat]

@Karosis I agree with you that putting somebody 2 alts down is desirable and you attack me. Amp agrees with your attack on me and you vote Amp? Lash out much?

I still like the idea of putting Eloth down to his last alt. But Rhyllandros does just keep digging that hole deeper.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


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Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

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Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

Actually , your argument is not valid.
He is most probably trying to save his own ass by redirecting attention and Not caring if a teammate is lynched.

[Ampelas]

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Yeah, pretty much. Not entirely random - got be somewhere in the middle posters, but after that I close my eyes and point to a name. Silchas already struck me as a little off before that, so that was nice.


As for the case against me - I believe it is, 'he's said some things which could be scummy.' As if that couldn't be said about absolutely everyone here I'm just an easier target for that because I have more posts. Perhaps you should be thinking why I feel free to post however much I want.

[Karosis]

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

@Karosis I agree with you that putting somebody 2 alts down is desirable and you attack me. Amp agrees with your attack on me and you vote Amp? Lash out much?

I still like the idea of putting Eloth down to his last alt. But Rhyllandros does just keep digging that hole deeper.

I agree with your points about Eloth and Ryll. If you do have two alts I still do not know where you fit in so i am content to leave you alone. Amp looks scummy to me. It does not matter that he is friendly to me. I call it how I see it.

[Karosis]

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

Quote

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

Actually , your argument is not valid.
He is most probably trying to save his own ass by redirecting attention and Not caring if a teammate is lynched.

If that is the case then why not add to the Ryll hate by Bendal or the culture hunt against Eloth's ghost?

[Desra]

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

[Tulas Shorn]

Karosis, on 26 March 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 26 March 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

@Kilava, you need to get anon


Eloth seems to be glad that Bendal H has shown up to pressure the truth out of Ryl - I will say it seems to be working

What are your thoughts with the Eloth, Ryll and D'riss votes? Are you leaning a particular way? I agree with your BH pressuring Ryll, it is fun to watch.

ok, picking up here, didn't reply to this one before, I think

I was willing to go any way to get a lynch

[Silchas Ruin]

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

Quote

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

As the one being voted for, I have to agree. I have more than a few posts, and aranatha actually already pointed out some of them that could be framed as scummy. And yet even with that information so readily available, you go out and just vote after saying no one, not even the person you are voting, catches your interest. That is extremely scummy.

Vote Ampelas

[Fanderay]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Yeah, pretty much. Not entirely random - got be somewhere in the middle posters, but after that I close my eyes and point to a name. Silchas already struck me as a little off before that, so that was nice.


As for the case against me - I believe it is, 'he's said some things which could be scummy.' As if that couldn't be said about absolutely everyone here I'm just an easier target for that because I have more posts. Perhaps you should be thinking why I feel free to post however much I want.

This is a really interesting post. So Amp is essentially agreeing that he picked a name out of thin air, because he has arbitrarily decided that scum will be hanging out in the middle posters. Amp, how did you come to this conclusion? Why do you think that scum are more likely to be middle posters than low or high? And, assuming Silchas does have some important roles, why does that automatically make him scummy?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

Quote

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

Actually , your argument is not valid.
He is most probably trying to save his own ass by redirecting attention and Not caring if a teammate is lynched.

If that is the case then why not add to the Ryll hate by Bendal or the culture hunt against Eloth's ghost?

Karosis makes a good point here. If Amp was simply redirecting, then there were several other options he could have gone for. There are plenty of people pushing Ryll right now, for several different reasons. But now we have about 12 hours on the clock, and Amp is suggesting a new vote target with very weak reasoning. It looks like an attempt to split the votes and prevent a lynch, as anyone who has 'gut feelings' about Silchas could add their vote, but the reasoning is not strong enough to get a proper train going on Silchas. Except that I can't really see why anyone would advocate not lynching at this stage in the game.

[Rashan]

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

So what two role do you have Korlat/Rashan? At this point there is no point in lying, you have replied to me as Rashan in the Korlat alt.

Was in a meeting and no I am not Rashan and Korlat. I have no idea what Korlat is doing. I barely have any clue what is going on as I haven't even read the whole thread once through yet. My time is severely limited. If I had to vote for someone to be Scum I would vote for D'riss but that is just on Day one stuff. But as for what has gone on pages 9-18 I don't have a very good idea of what has happened. I probably won't get caught up til tonight and that is a big maybe. I have a long weekend to get ready for and will be out on Friday.

[Ryllandaras]

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

[Tulas Shorn]

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 26 March 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

This Ay Estos thing makes me uneasy. We only have his word for it that he was Aranatha. He is now "unaligned" and a loose cannon in terms of the game. He says he still has other abilities but "would rather help town."

What other abilities do you have and how will you contribute then?

I currently have a Night Kill and a BP (that last one would have been useful last night!). As I said, my intention is to sit back and just throw my vote where the lynch train seems to be going. There's not much else I can do, I doubt anyone's going to listen to much I have to say given I've already lost the game.

Ay Estos, on 26 March 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 26 March 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Tellan, on 26 March 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

This Ay Estos thing makes me uneasy. We only have his word for it that he was Aranatha. He is now "unaligned" and a loose cannon in terms of the game. He says he still has other abilities but "would rather help town."

What other abilities do you have and how will you contribute then?

I currently have a Night Kill and a BP (that last one would have been useful last night!). As I said, my intention is to sit back and just throw my vote where the lynch train seems to be going. There's not much else I can do, I doubt anyone's going to listen to much I have to say given I've already lost the game.

Sorry, I misread my role PM, it says I have a Night Kill BP, and I read it as a Night Kill and a BP. I only have a BP, and if I am recruited, I die and it counts as a lynch.

IThe problem I have with you is that I don't think D'rek would allow this to happen - you are basically pointless, The other problem I have is your whinyness sounds much more like Eloth than it does Aranatha. So basically I say you are bullshitting to the max, and until something better comes along

vote Ay Estos


Edit: to remove a capital B from the end of my vote.

I have to say I agree with this

[Ay Estos]

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

How could I be Nenanda when both myself and Nenanda were alive at the beginning of Day 2?

[Skintick]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Yeah, pretty much. Not entirely random - got be somewhere in the middle posters, but after that I close my eyes and point to a name. Silchas already struck me as a little off before that, so that was nice.
As for the case against me - I believe it is, 'he's said some things which could be scummy.' As if that couldn't be said about absolutely everyone here I'm just an easier target for that because I have more posts. Perhaps you should be thinking why I feel free to post however much I want.

Everyone here should feel free to post however much they want. I've no idea why you'd think that was something we should dwell on in particular in your case.

And no, at this point, I'm not sure if everyone here could be considered to have said some things which would be considered scummy. A lot of people really haven't said anything at all (yes, I'm in that group).

Anyways, the Silchas vote is what looks bizarre and suspicious, especially considering that we've got something of a mystery with Bek and Ay, and you seem content to randomly lash out. I constantly get the feeling you're trying to deflect from yet someone else entirely, but I can't quite put a finger on who.

Vote Ampelas

[Desra]

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

Wait... what? Nenanda was alive that the beginning of day 2. So was Ay. If I recall correctly, I think Ay posted before Nenanda was even killed. I am still not seeing how what you are proposing is possible. I think you are forgetting that we are only at 26 players because of 2 day kills. Day 2 day kills. Ay and Bek had respawned before those kills happened. Eloth is Ay or Bek. Aranthan is the other. Are you muddying the thread on purpose? Or just infatuated with your single quote theory.

[Tulas Shorn]

Monok Ochem, on 26 March 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Obviously I am rereading the thread, which is why these comments are more stream of consciousness. My apologies.

Another thing tweaked me about Ampelas:

Ampelas, on 25 March 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

27 players in he vote count. 27 players signed up (minus Bubba, I guess he didn't get in). So presumably there's no one playing a multiple alt role right now? Or have I missed something?

Why did he bring this up? I mean PS at that point had only 18 listed players (and 27 listed when PS was trying to use the word "null"), so why assume that there multiple alt roles before such a possibility arises?

Am I missing some train of though here, or is Amp one of two alts controlled by a single player?

Why do you think this (underlined) ? Just because he was maybe the first person to mention it?

[Korlat]

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Silchas Ruin, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

As the one being voted for, I have to agree. I have more than a few posts, and aranatha actually already pointed out some of them that could be framed as scummy. And yet even with that information so readily available, you go out and just vote after saying no one, not even the person you are voting, catches your interest. That is extremely scummy.

Vote Ampelas

Fanderay, on 27 March 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Yeah, pretty much. Not entirely random - got be somewhere in the middle posters, but after that I close my eyes and point to a name. Silchas already struck me as a little off before that, so that was nice.


As for the case against me - I believe it is, 'he's said some things which could be scummy.' As if that couldn't be said about absolutely everyone here I'm just an easier target for that because I have more posts. Perhaps you should be thinking why I feel free to post however much I want.

This is a really interesting post. So Amp is essentially agreeing that he picked a name out of thin air, because he has arbitrarily decided that scum will be hanging out in the middle posters. Amp, how did you come to this conclusion? Why do you think that scum are more likely to be middle posters than low or high? And, assuming Silchas does have some important roles, why does that automatically make him scummy?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

If that is the case then why not add to the Ryll hate by Bendal or the culture hunt against Eloth's ghost?

Karosis makes a good point here. If Amp was simply redirecting, then there were several other options he could have gone for. There are plenty of people pushing Ryll right now, for several different reasons. But now we have about 12 hours on the clock, and Amp is suggesting a new vote target with very weak reasoning. It looks like an attempt to split the votes and prevent a lynch, as anyone who has 'gut feelings' about Silchas could add their vote, but the reasoning is not strong enough to get a proper train going on Silchas. Except that I can't really see why anyone would advocate not lynching at this stage in the game.

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

Skintick, on 27 March 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Everyone here should feel free to post however much they want. I've no idea why you'd think that was something we should dwell on in particular in your case.

And no, at this point, I'm not sure if everyone here could be considered to have said some things which would be considered scummy. A lot of people really haven't said anything at all (yes, I'm in that group).

Anyways, the Silchas vote is what looks bizarre and suspicious, especially considering that we've got something of a mystery with Bek and Ay, and you seem content to randomly lash out. I constantly get the feeling you're trying to deflect from yet someone else entirely, but I can't quite put a finger on who.

Vote Ampelas

I'm becoming less and less interested in taking out somebody's 2nd alt.

Rhyllandros' still trying to convince us that Nenanda activated a new alt before the old alt was dead is getting weird. Bringing up why Nenanda was killed in the first place.

Ampelas' incredibly lazy vote on Silchas suggests stupidity or deflecting. Off Rhyll???

[Korlat]

Still a few hours left of the day. But unless something very fucking good comes along I'll vote Amp or Rhyllandros. They both stink about the same to me right now.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone. I might do a reread sometime tonight if I have the time, but that would already be getting close to deadline (not close close, but seeing as we need a lot of votes to get a lynch, relatively speaking), so I'm going to lay a vote now.

As I said, no strong feelings, so I'm going back to the old "scum hiding somewhere in the middle of post count" tactic. Thus,

Vote Silchas Ruin


Actually, Silchas is Eloth-like in that he has also as much as admitted he has three memorable roles all with abilities - so he could be dangerous.

I agree that we need to reach some kind of consensus on what to do with Eloth (who I think is Bek). I'm also willing to vote Ryllandaras, as I'm curious to see what will come of all of Bendal's aggression there.

I am not willing to waste a vote on the Jester/former Jester, who I believe to be Ay at this present moment.

Why not test that by lynching Bendal? His relentlessness points more to scum behavior than town. There are two town teams, and it benefits both sides of town to eliminate both of the scum teams and keep town alive. Scum just wants to eliminate everybody, so they don't have to be as picky on who they lynch. I picked Eloth yesterday as a possible FM or SK, which do not seem like town roles, and Ay today, because I don't think he is Eloth or Aranatha, and I think that his being an unknown that is hiding something seems more likely to be scum.

You could say scum will want to think more about their lynch choices due to having to "blend" in. Bendal does not do that by being agressive. Do you really think Bendal will come up scum? He believes that you will. Amp voting Silchas is a scummy move in my opinion. He has no way of knowing whether Silchas is on his team, his decision is a blind vote based off of voting numbers. Not only that but the day has focused primarily on the two returned alts, Amp himself and you (with the exception of the recent Rashan/Korlat thingy). For us to co ordinate and get a lynch Amp is throwing a spanner in the works and I do not like it. I would prefer to lynch everyday and Amp's move looks to be against that.


Remove Vote



Vote Ampelas



For all the things been discussed about you so far. Plus my above reasoning.

Why such a reaction?

I considered not answering you for not reading up and asking this question. Then I though that would be rude. The first line in Amp post

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Right, I personally have no strong feelings on anyone

yet he votes for Silchas. How can he know if Silchas is on his team or not? It is a shot in the dark. I don't like it. Only scum may nonchalantly throw their vote around like that.

Silchas actually has a few posts, Amp could have went back and found a reason within those posts to vote for him. It is a dirty vote. Careless.

Actually , your argument is not valid.
He is most probably trying to save his own ass by redirecting attention and Not caring if a teammate is lynched.

If that is the case then why not add to the Ryll hate by Bendal or the culture hunt against Eloth's ghost?

Reasonable answer.

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Silchas Ruin, on 27 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

As the one being voted for, I have to agree. I have more than a few posts, and aranatha actually already pointed out some of them that could be framed as scummy. And yet even with that information so readily available, you go out and just vote after saying no one, not even the person you are voting, catches your interest. That is extremely scummy.

Vote Ampelas

Fanderay, on 27 March 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

There are around 8 people in the middle poster category. You are just picking a random number and going along with it. Last game we had a scum that played just like you (Liosan) ie top poster and one that low posted. So why not pick Omtose or Trake? You know the whole scum hiding in the low poster routine? Your reasoning for voting is bullshit. My reasoning for voting you has been laid out over the last five pages by various people. All points I agree with.

Yeah, pretty much. Not entirely random - got be somewhere in the middle posters, but after that I close my eyes and point to a name. Silchas already struck me as a little off before that, so that was nice.


As for the case against me - I believe it is, 'he's said some things which could be scummy.' As if that couldn't be said about absolutely everyone here I'm just an easier target for that because I have more posts. Perhaps you should be thinking why I feel free to post however much I want.

This is a really interesting post. So Amp is essentially agreeing that he picked a name out of thin air, because he has arbitrarily decided that scum will be hanging out in the middle posters. Amp, how did you come to this conclusion? Why do you think that scum are more likely to be middle posters than low or high? And, assuming Silchas does have some important roles, why does that automatically make him scummy?

Karosis, on 27 March 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

If that is the case then why not add to the Ryll hate by Bendal or the culture hunt against Eloth's ghost?

Karosis makes a good point here. If Amp was simply redirecting, then there were several other options he could have gone for. There are plenty of people pushing Ryll right now, for several different reasons. But now we have about 12 hours on the clock, and Amp is suggesting a new vote target with very weak reasoning. It looks like an attempt to split the votes and prevent a lynch, as anyone who has 'gut feelings' about Silchas could add their vote, but the reasoning is not strong enough to get a proper train going on Silchas. Except that I can't really see why anyone would advocate not lynching at this stage in the game.

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

Skintick, on 27 March 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

Everyone here should feel free to post however much they want. I've no idea why you'd think that was something we should dwell on in particular in your case.

And no, at this point, I'm not sure if everyone here could be considered to have said some things which would be considered scummy. A lot of people really haven't said anything at all (yes, I'm in that group).

Anyways, the Silchas vote is what looks bizarre and suspicious, especially considering that we've got something of a mystery with Bek and Ay, and you seem content to randomly lash out. I constantly get the feeling you're trying to deflect from yet someone else entirely, but I can't quite put a finger on who.

Vote Ampelas

I'm becoming less and less interested in taking out somebody's 2nd alt.

Rhyllandros' still trying to convince us that Nenanda activated a new alt before the old alt was dead is getting weird. Bringing up why Nenanda was killed in the first place.

Ampelas' incredibly lazy vote on Silchas suggests stupidity or deflecting. Off Rhyll???

He did not seem interested in Ryll yesterday. Are you suggesting he was recruited?

[Ryllandaras]

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 06:46 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Desra, on 27 March 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

ok, all caught up.

My stance on the whole jester/ay/eloth/Bek fiasco is that Ay = Aranthan and Bek= Eloth. Regardless of single and double quote arguments, when someone just comes out and claims a role on thread, unless there is a behind the scene mechanic, the other person would call them out. If someone is claiming your role, wouldn;t you call them on it? They are obviously doing it for a reason, and obviously it's going to be to their benefit. The fact that Bek let Ay claim jester, and sits back and won't confirm or deny, just enforces my belief that he is Eloth and is taking his foot off the gas because he doesn't want to get lynched again.

Whether the jester has a additional win condition, I don't really care at this point. If he doesn't, he's just an extra vote for a side, if he does, we can deal with that later. The important thing to take is that there is no more Jester so no one can hide behind that excuse for not voting anymore.

The person that has riled me up on this day 2 is Rhyll. not because of what BH accused him of yesterday, but because he comes out of nowhere saying that the jester has left the game, even though there are still 28 alts that respawned, and is coming up with some crazy, unsubstantiated, off the wall ideas. Where the hell is this coming from? We had 2 deaths, we had 2 respawns. One is the former Eloth and one is the former Aranthan. Why try to inject all this confusion on a hunch? Because of quotes?

Regarding Ampleas, I see what Kilava is saying, and thats his opinion. I'm fine with that. I think Amp might be hedging his bets a little because he might have a scummy sounding role and is doing premature damage control....but I don't know. We'd need an Amp CF to verify that one way or another.

Finally, not sure I saw the connection between Rashan/Korlat. Maybe it was because I wasn't involved in the conversation. I'll have to read that part more closely.

I will be around all day up until lynch off and on at work and home. So I am going to digest this a bit and add a vote in a couple hours

We've had 4 deaths and 2 respawns and by PS's last count we have 26. Now it is assumed that the other 2 will respawn the next day, and they still might, but until it is Day 3 we won't know for sure if both will. Ay claims he's Aranatha and that he is the Jester and lost, however we don't definitively know that. All we know is that the Jester lost, we DO NOT KNOW IF HE IS STILL IN THE GAME and one of the two respawns claims to be him. Since we did have a night, my theory is that Ay could be someone else, maybe Nenanda (though unlikely) because the post style has changed.

Wait... what? Nenanda was alive that the beginning of day 2. So was Ay. If I recall correctly, I think Ay posted before Nenanda was even killed. I am still not seeing how what you are proposing is possible. I think you are forgetting that we are only at 26 players because of 2 day kills. Day 2 day kills. Ay and Bek had respawned before those kills happened. Eloth is Ay or Bek. Aranthan is the other. Are you muddying the thread on purpose? Or just infatuated with your single quote theory.

No, if you read again I said it is UNLIKELY that he is Nenanda, but not sure about his or anyone else's abilities. Aranathan lost the game already so I don't think he respawned. Why do you refuse to believe the single quote theory? I'm saying that people tend to type a certain way. Aranatha used double quotes. To change that pattern would be DELIBERATE. If Aranatha were Ay and he figured "Well, I've already lost, so may as well be helpful and reveal everything", why would he deliberately change his post style? Maybe he is Eloth and Eloth is lying, or maybe he's someone else.


Edit: Corrected Ay.

This post has been edited by Ryllandaras: 27 March 2013 - 07:04 PM