[Fener]

Ryadd Eleis said:

1366303868[/url]' post='1050210']

Fener said:

1366303666[/url]' post='1050209']
Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

[Ryadd Eleis]

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

Because while you kill town, he'll kill you, and then you will lose. Town, on the other hand, probably have no NK abilities, so the night would basically be yours. Basically, you have statistically more chance of winning by taking out another killer who is not on your faction, than you do any other kind of role.

[Ryadd Eleis]

In any case, we can decide on how far you want the agreement to stand. Sukul wants to go for it until the SK is completely dead - you seem hesitant about that. In the end, it's up to you guys how long you perservere with it before switching your attentions back to town.

[Korabas]

Sukul Ankhadu, on 18 April 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

Unless Korabas is the one doing the guarding. It seems Kor isn't of a mind to deal.

I've a mind to help but we can kill two birds with one stone. Lynch Venesara which is a goodkinder anyway and you and Fener can do your dirty work at night.

[Kessobahn]

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

Because while you kill town, he'll kill you, and then you will lose. Town, on the other hand, probably have no NK abilities, so the night would basically be yours. Basically, you have statistically more chance of winning by taking out another killer who is not on your faction, than you do any other kind of role.

Pretty sure he's, as they say, fucked either way. There really is no reason to go with one route over another, at least from Fener's perspective. Fener may just as well do what he feels like at this point. It's not like we can lynch Tulas with sacrosanct. And with no NK ability, how will town even get him without Fener's NK? Town need Fener, unless they can manage a night kill. Fener doesn't really need town.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Kessobahn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Pretty sure he's, as they say, fucked either way. There really is no reason to go with one route over another, at least from Fener's perspective. Fener may just as well do what he feels like at this point. It's not like we can lynch Tulas with sacrosanct. And with no NK ability, how will town even get him without Fener's NK? Town need Fener, unless they can manage a night kill. Fener doesn't really need town.

So speaks the Goodkinder. As if you don't have any vested interest in Fener not working with town


Edit: And Fener needs town not to lynch him. This is one way to ensure it doesn't happen for several more days. Who knows what can happen in the meantime.

This post has been edited by Ryadd Eleis: 18 April 2013 - 05:10 PM

[Sukul Ankhadu]

It's not so much a matter of "a deal". We need to have only one death so that we know the spawn. We lynch that one. If it has an LP, it can be NKed night 16.

[Kessobahn]

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Pretty sure he's, as they say, fucked either way. There really is no reason to go with one route over another, at least from Fener's perspective. Fener may just as well do what he feels like at this point. It's not like we can lynch Tulas with sacrosanct. And with no NK ability, how will town even get him without Fener's NK? Town need Fener, unless they can manage a night kill. Fener doesn't really need town.

So speaks the Goodkinder. As if you don't have any vested interest in Fener not working with town


Edit: And Fener needs town not to lynch him. This is one way to ensure it doesn't happen for several more days. Who knows what can happen in the meantime.

Easy there fella, I'm just pointing out the obvious. Even if we keep Fener around, I doubt he's dumb enough to think that he even has a chance at this point. Unless he has an alt left... He was Amon, so we got that alt out of the way, but not sure if this is his third or second. Fener will lose either way, and you're trying too hard to make it look like he has no choice. He's not a complete fucking retard, so he'll act based on how he feels. Speak to him like a child and he'll likely side with Tulas.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis said:

1366303868[/url]' post='1050210']

Fener said:

1366303666[/url]' post='1050209']
Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

They screwed you guys over yesterday. Why work with them? I bargained with them yesterday and upheld my end. I am willing to work with you today. I'll uphold my deal. Like Ryadd said, I am probably guarded by him tonight. You take out town, I promise not to target you. I know you don't speak for Sukul and can't make him do anything, but if you and I work together, at least you have a chance. You can at least go after me at night.

How about this, I promise not to target you until 2-3 townies have died. Then we re-evaluate and see where we stand. You should have sufficient numbers to control the thread at that point. Maybe town will be willing to work with you to take me out then, but You will control the thread. Not them.

[Tulas Shorn]

Also don't forget... They have the guard as well. As soon as I am gone, guess who they are going to be guarding... They will have control of the thread, and control your ability to kill. They need you more than you need them imo. Lets winnow them down and and at least get you on solid footing so you have a chance during the day.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

They screwed you guys over yesterday. Why work with them? I bargained with them yesterday and upheld my end. I am willing to work with you today. I'll uphold my deal. Like Ryadd said, I am probably guarded by him tonight. You take out town, I promise not to target you. I know you don't speak for Sukul and can't make him do anything, but if you and I work together, at least you have a chance. You can at least go after me at night.

How about this, I promise not to target you until 2-3 townies have died. Then we re-evaluate and see where we stand. You should have sufficient numbers to control the thread at that point. Maybe town will be willing to work with you to take me out then, but You will control the thread. Not them.

Screwed them over how exactly? YOU were the one who killed them off, if I remember correctly


Fener will not have sufficient numbers in that scenario. If anyone will, it will be the Goodkinders.


Why would town guard Tulas if Fener decides not to work with them? Might as well let the two of them kill each other off, or at least one kill the other. Having said that, Tulas probably will uphold his bargain. He has no reason not to. After all, by the time anyone gets around to paying him attention again, everyone else will be on their final alt, he still on his first, and who knows how many other abilities at his disposal.


So yes, Tulas would uphold his bargain. It's easy when you carry all the chips - kills, BPs, LPs, more alts....is that more balanced an alliance than one with town?

[Kessobahn]

I wouldn't waste time joining with Tulas if I were Fener. I'm assuming the only skill Fener has of use at this point is his kill. He is completely vulnerable to lynch or kill, and has no guarantee of safety by any means except his few remaining (if any) faction members. Getting him "on solid footing", as Tulas says, means using him for as long as possible. That's not to say town won't do the same. But there it is, and Fener needs to decide who to fuck.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Anyway, that's all I have to say on that. We want Fener to work with us so that we can win, and Tulas wants Fener to work with him so that he can win. Fener can't choose neither - unless he doesn't kill at all - because whoever he targets implicitly helps one of the two sides. So it's about choosing the one you think you've got a better shot at manipulating/screwing over at some point in the future.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

They screwed you guys over yesterday. Why work with them? I bargained with them yesterday and upheld my end. I am willing to work with you today. I'll uphold my deal. Like Ryadd said, I am probably guarded by him tonight. You take out town, I promise not to target you. I know you don't speak for Sukul and can't make him do anything, but if you and I work together, at least you have a chance. You can at least go after me at night.

How about this, I promise not to target you until 2-3 townies have died. Then we re-evaluate and see where we stand. You should have sufficient numbers to control the thread at that point. Maybe town will be willing to work with you to take me out then, but You will control the thread. Not them.

Screwed them over how exactly? YOU were the one who killed them off, if I remember correctly


Fener will not have sufficient numbers in that scenario. If anyone will, it will be the Goodkinders.


Why would town guard Tulas if Fener decides not to work with them? Might as well let the two of them kill each other off, or at least one kill the other. Having said that, Tulas probably will uphold his bargain. He has no reason not to. After all, by the time anyone gets around to paying him attention again, everyone else will be on their final alt, he still on his first, and who knows how many other abilities at his disposal.


So yes, Tulas would uphold his bargain. It's easy when you carry all the chips - kills, BPs, LPs, more alts....is that more balanced an alliance than one with town?

What does town bring to the table for Fener? You can't lynch him unless you get the other scum team to side with you, you can't NK him as you folks don't have that ability. You can guard him, but then that frees me up to take out town. There is nothing you can offer him. Sure, if he inherently wants town to have a chance to win. Then he might side with you because he doesn't want to see me have a shot at winning. There is nothing I can do about that. If that's the case, this is all hot air. But if he is looking to go farther in the game, and at least have a shot at winning, he'd work with me and we'd get rid of town. Because lord knows, as soon as I am NK'd he is on the block and town can scramble around during the day for the win.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Anyway, that's all I have to say on that. We want Fener to work with us so that we can win, and Tulas wants Fener to work with him so that he can win. Fener can't choose neither - unless he doesn't kill at all - because whoever he targets implicitly helps one of the two sides. So it's about choosing the one you think you've got a better shot at manipulating/screwing over at some point in the future.

Agreed, i'll leave it alone at this point.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 18 April 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

Then I need to be healed, because I'm on my last alt. I only got 2.

That's...interesting. In any case, Tulas will presumably be guarded just as he was last night. He won't be killing you.

So... You need me to take out 3 of his alts, but I have no chance to win? Why don't I just fuck town and side with TS?

They screwed you guys over yesterday. Why work with them? I bargained with them yesterday and upheld my end. I am willing to work with you today. I'll uphold my deal. Like Ryadd said, I am probably guarded by him tonight. You take out town, I promise not to target you. I know you don't speak for Sukul and can't make him do anything, but if you and I work together, at least you have a chance. You can at least go after me at night.

How about this, I promise not to target you until 2-3 townies have died. Then we re-evaluate and see where we stand. You should have sufficient numbers to control the thread at that point. Maybe town will be willing to work with you to take me out then, but You will control the thread. Not them.

Screwed them over how exactly? YOU were the one who killed them off, if I remember correctly


Fener will not have sufficient numbers in that scenario. If anyone will, it will be the Goodkinders.


Why would town guard Tulas if Fener decides not to work with them? Might as well let the two of them kill each other off, or at least one kill the other. Having said that, Tulas probably will uphold his bargain. He has no reason not to. After all, by the time anyone gets around to paying him attention again, everyone else will be on their final alt, he still on his first, and who knows how many other abilities at his disposal.


So yes, Tulas would uphold his bargain. It's easy when you carry all the chips - kills, BPs, LPs, more alts....is that more balanced an alliance than one with town?

What does town bring to the table for Fener? You can't lynch him unless you get the other scum team to side with you, you can't NK him as you folks don't have that ability. You can guard him, but then that frees me up to take out town. There is nothing you can offer him. Sure, if he inherently wants town to have a chance to win. Then he might side with you because he doesn't want to see me have a shot at winning. There is nothing I can do about that. If that's the case, this is all hot air. But if he is looking to go farther in the game, and at least have a shot at winning, he'd work with me and we'd get rid of town. Because lord knows, as soon as I am NK'd he is on the block and town can scramble around during the day for the win.

You say that like you don't have more alts. Everyone stands a better chance of winning if we whittle you down a couple.

Which is why I say nobody else but you dies. Anyone else does and all bets are off.

[Tulas Shorn]

I hope you mean no one but the recruiter, cause he is just sitting back laughing his ass off right now.

[Ryadd Eleis]

I'm off for a few hours. Maybe others will chip in with opinions in the meantime.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Agreed, i'll leave it alone at this point.

Tulas Shorn, on 18 April 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you mean no one but the recruiter, cause he is just sitting back laughing his ass off right now.

Getting that itchy feeling on the soles of your feet? Like the sand is starting to trickle away out from under you?

[Tulas Shorn]

I've felt like that since I was outted as desra