[Brujah]

Talking about the '80s and '90s movies with Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, etc.., over in the Ye Big Ol' Movie Thread made me think about Costner in Wyatt Earp, and then Tombstone, of course.

It was an old debate back in the day.

I'm Tombstone by a huge margin, but Wyatt Earp is still a good movie. I just think Val Kilmer makes it easy to decide.

If you don't like either, then you're probably the type of guy who spends far too much time putting styling product in your hair.

This post has been edited by Brujah: 20 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

[Raj Ahten]

Tombstone Is by far the best modern western.

The humor and action makes it a better movie, and as you say Doc Holiday was amazing. "I am your huckleberry."

I did like Wyatt Earp as well but it's a landslide for Tombstone.

Silverado is also a great western.

[Hinter]

Agree completely - Kilmer stole every scene he was in.

[worry]

It's a shame he was eaten by that guy who stole his identity.

[HoosierDaddy]

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[Abyss]

Tombstone.
It's not even a close comparison.

[QuickTidal]

Strangely I'm of two minds.

TOMBSTONE is the superior movie.

WYATT EARP is the superior film.

Allow me to explain.

TOMBSTONE works REALLY well as a contained, action, western with truly likable actors in the roles of the various people. It's the Coles notes version of the Earp mythos. It's fast, easy to grasp and totally enjoyable from beginning to end.

WYATT EARP on the other hand, is a slow, dramatic retelling of the events with a longer eye (it was one of the first dual cassette tape movies to be released on home video). It's more ponderous, and thoughtful. It goes for dramatics over action, and it goes for high-handedness over bravado. It's a thought piece, and not at all an action-y Western.

In my eyes, both can be watched and enjoyed for different things. But TOMBSTONE is the one I always recommend to people... as WYATT EARP is a much more acquired taste.

The same is true of another set of films about the same events (Hollywood loves dueling productions) with the 1997 productions of SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET and KUNDUN....while the crowd-pleaser is SEVEN YEARS TIBET without a doubt, KUNDUN is a thought piece about the mostly the same subject matter...it had less of the big names attached (tho written by Harrison Ford's then-wife Melissa Matheson), but it was the more dramatic of the two. Both can be watched and enjoyed, but SEVEN YEARS is the one I recommend to folk.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 21 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

[worry]

QuickTidal, on 21 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

TOMBSTONE is the superior movie.

WYATT EARP is the superior film.

Noooooooo, QuickTidal, noooooooooo please not this I beg of you!

[QuickTidal]

Yep.

Deal wif it!

LOL

[worry]

I haven't seen Wyatt Earp so that's the only thing I can argue about ITT.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 21 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Strangely I'm of two minds.

TOMBSTONE is the superior movie.

WYATT EARP is the superior film.

Allow me to explain.

TOMBSTONE works REALLY well as a contained, action, western with truly likable actors in the roles of the various people. It's the Coles notes version of the Earp mythos. It's fast, easy to grasp and totally enjoyable from beginning to end.

WYATT EARP on the other hand, is a slow, dramatic retelling of the events with a longer eye (it was one of the first dual cassette tape movies to be released on home video). It's more ponderous, and thoughtful. It goes for dramatics over action, and it goes for high-handedness over bravado. It's a thought piece, and not at all an action-y Western.

In my eyes, both can be watched and enjoyed for different things. But TOMBSTONE is the one I always recommend to people... as WYATT EARP is a much more acquired taste.

The same is true of another set of films about the same events (Hollywood loves dueling productions) with the 1997 productions of SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET and KUNDUN....while the crowd-pleaser is SEVEN YEARS TIBET without a doubt, KUNDUN is a thought piece about the mostly the same subject matter...it had less of the big names attached (tho written by Harrison Ford's then-wife Melissa Matheson), but it was the more dramatic of the two. Both can be watched and enjoyed, but SEVEN YEARS is the one I recommend to folk.

I cannot begin to explain how many ways this post has damaged my previously high opinion of you.

Do me a favor and recommend something Tregellis - like over in the Otherlit forum and we'll just pretend that this never happened.

[Brujah]

I'm not surprised at the outcome of the poll, nor the comments. I figured Tombstone was just too damn good to lose to Wyatt Earp, but that isn't taking anything away from Earp. It's still a great movie as well.

I also agree with QT on his thoughts on both. Wyatt Earp was indeed a really great film. Had we had more people in their 50s , 60s, 79s, 80s, 90s, 100s, 110s, then we would have had more votes for Wyatt Earp.

The only people I usually hear relate their choice of Earp over Tombstone are much older. For example my Gpaw and his war buddies prefer Earp, except Pappy O'neal, a para- trouper in Vietnam, he was like us and loved Kilmer's Holliday, and often called Costner a pussy.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Tombstone. As stated Kilmer was superb, one of his best performances ever. Kevin Costner is not believable as a tough guy, desire his legit acting talent. He's probably a Bette reactor than Russell, but not in this role.

[Abyss]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 28 January 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

... He's probably a Bette reactor than Russell....

^ best auto-complete error ever.

[QuickTidal]

I saw a movie with Bette Reactor...it's was fucking awesome.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 28 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

I saw a movie with Bette Reactor...it's was fucking awesome.

Poonstone or Wyass Earp?

[worry]

She was the Wind Beneath My Radiation Shields.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Ha! Stupid phone.