[Tattersail_]

Hinter, on 19 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

The Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

... and Hinter has been playing newb-like all game..

Oh sweet irony.

In other news, the crab cakes were average. It's always a fine balance between enough potato to keep them firm, but not so much potato that you can no longer taste the seafood. On this occasion I erred on the side of too little potato.

I didn't know you've only played 5 or 6 games.

vote hinter

Stop talking about food I'm hungover to death!

[Tattersail_]

I was going to read over Khells posts but I'm going back to sleep, I feel terrible

[Lady Bliss]

I think we need to vote Tatts or Blend since one of them is the player Dude was Symping. He never mentiond Blend in his 'look at these players after I die post', and as I mentioned on the last page, he didn't start going after Khell until the Blend train picked up momentum.
Vote blend

[Bonecaster]

Well, I don't expect anyone to make it that easy a second time, so I'm going to have to figure out how to read things better.

[Hinter]

Tattersail, on 20 January 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

Hinter, on 19 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

The Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

... and Hinter has been playing newb-like all game..

Oh sweet irony.

In other news, the crab cakes were average. It's always a fine balance between enough potato to keep them firm, but not so much potato that you can no longer taste the seafood. On this occasion I erred on the side of too little potato.

I didn't know you've only played 5 or 6 games.

vote hinter

Stop talking about food I'm hungover to death!

I'll assume this is a joke vote for now and treat it with the amusement it deserves.

Lady Bliss, on 20 January 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:

I think we need to vote Tatts or Blend since one of them is the player Dude was Symping. He never mentiond Blend in his 'look at these players after I die post', and as I mentioned on the last page, he didn't start going after Khell until the Blend train picked up momentum.
Vote blend

I've had my vote on Blend since day one, only switching to the Dude.We have plenty of time at the moment so I'll wait for a bit before voting.

[Tapper]

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

HiddenOne said:

1358535841[/url]' post='1024823']

Lady Bliss said:

1358535549[/url]' post='1024815']
Booooooo! No lynch is lame. Now we need to relive day 1.

What are your thoughts about the events of Day1?

Two lynch trains but no lynch? Either one may have had resistance, and I think we need to follow through on one of them today. I still think that Blend is the better case, and with Khell voting and removing it could have been distancing. Tapper was also noticeably absent.

I had troubles with my girl. And then lots of make-up sex during the weekend break. Which, let's be fair, is better than reading up on Mafia during a weekend break

[Tapper]

Lady Bliss, on 20 January 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

I did another read through today and came across this post which stood out to me:

The Dude said:

1358377599[/url]' post='1024651']

Khellendros said:

1358375357[/url]' post='1024631']

Lady Bliss said:

1358372874[/url]' post='1024609']

Khellendros said:

1358372325[/url]' post='1024606']
Bliss, it's not your voting for Blend that I necessarily disagree with. Right now, he's my second choice after Tats, but the way you identified me as a killer with Blend but then voted Blend rather than me which is interesting, as is the timing of your vote. You are, after all, the person I'm accusing of being a symp if I'm right about Tats, and so it's interesting that you agree with Tats' assumptions but then vote differently to him. That suggests to me that you want to help him but don't feel you can afford to vote the same way as him, so you go for his other target, and dress it up as your own 'case'.

Khell, the reason why I chose Blend over you is because he really seems to be milking this 'dirty' talk. Tapper also emphasized "dirty" in his response which seems significant.
The fact that I flirted with Tatts is just my being a shameless tart which we should all be aware of by now. I think he spazzed a bit too much, and does look scummy, but the Blend, Khell, Tapper case I made just seems stronger to me.

Oh yes, your case is super-strong.

Remove Vote
Vote Blend


I do like your 'oh yes, I think Tats is scummy, but actually I clearly have no intention of voting for him ever'

I'll only be around a couple more hours on and off, day timeout is in the wee small hours for me.

And this seals the deal

vote Khell


you have looked scummy to me all game and this vote stinks of trying to get a train going on someone to save your skin before they can turn on you.


I'd also be open to tattersail. But I am happy with this vote. Same feeling I got when I led the train on Ruse day one last game. I was right then as well. I am going with informed instincts here.

I don't really have a feel for Bliss. I don't think a lynch is as essential in a non CF game as we don't know either way if we are right or not. So unless I got a better feel for her I;m not sure if i'd go for a vote on her.

Not sure how I feel about a blend lynch. His interactions with Khell haven't stuck out at me. (And Khell's interactions with him are not the reason I am voting Khell).

Let me go back and look at Bliss and see if I can pick up what you guys are sensing.

Dude went after Khell when he put Blend at 4 votes, which may have been enough to get a train rolling. This is what I would expect from a symp, as well as the false reveal today since we never got a lynch day 1. The fact that he didn't get mod killed for violating game rules doesn't support a true reveal to me.
Any scum lynch is better than none, and I'd like to see us move forward.
Vote Dude

One could see it as setting up a lynch for the next day, aye. The question is: why Khell? Khell had 2 pretty clear targets: Blend and Tatts. Any attack on Khell could therefore have been easily constructed as sympage of Blend and Tatts - imho, for better or worse (or rather, as WIFOM) the NK ties in almost perfectly with that, as well. Who-ever submitted that was either insanely lucky, really unlucky or on thread when The Dude lynch went down.

As for the 'dirty' stilton: honestly Bliss, I think you're reaching. Or at the least, you are in my case.

I love Stilton, and I am just dying to get my hands on a piece of unpasteurized Stilton as I can't find it anywhere.
Thus, I asked if Hinter's was the dirty one (if he said yes, I'd have asked him where he got it from): I remember eating it as a kid on holiday, and I hear it still exists (Stilton was unpasteurized until the nineties - why they changed it, I don't know, EU regulations? - and that version is still the holy grail of english cheese, bacteria or not, rather than the pasteurized version ("clean") version).

[Tattersail_]

So now I'm finally healthy again, or healthier. I'm going to have a read up and see if anything sticks out so far.

These are a few little things knowing that Khell is dead...

Blend, on 15 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

So, Bonecaster, welcome to the best game on Earth.

vote Bonecaster

Just so you feel the newbie love!

A few things you need to know:

Never listen to a word Khell says. He is SOMETIMES right, but it's so rare that it's best to just ignore him, mostly. Tatts talks a lot. You only need to pay attention to about 5% of what he says to understand what he means. Brujah is the priest. I'm all knowing. And chickens don't wear pants.

This is Blend telling Boney C to ignore what Khell and I have to say, not much but something to remember.

Khellendros, on 15 January 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

Blend, on 15 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

So, Bonecaster, welcome to the best game on Earth.

vote Bonecaster

Just so you feel the newbie love!

A few things you need to know:

Never listen to a word Khell says. He is SOMETIMES right, but it's so rare that it's best to just ignore him, mostly. Tatts talks a lot. You only need to pay attention to about 5% of what he says to understand what he means. Brujah is the priest. I'm all knowing. And chickens don't wear pants.

Don't listen to Blend. Blend blends in, and when Blend blends in, you know that bad shit is going to happen, and the last place you'll look is Blend, because Blend blends and you don't remember him.


Me, I'm memorable. So no need to fear anything that I do or say.

Khell jokes around with him but says we should watch out for him going off the radar.

Gnaw, on 15 January 2013 - 08:06 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 15 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

My logic in this is infallible.

"Khell" + "logic" + "infallible" in the same sentence??

The last time I listened to you I lost my powers, turned traitor, and had my soul swapped out to a body hanging from a noose. So, before he can truthiness the thread sideways:

Vote Khell

Joke vote or vendetta, Gnaw doesn't want Khell around early day one, holding off a kill until night 2?

[Tattersail_]

Scrap that, just remembered Gnaw is dead. I had to go up to read the vote count at the top of the page. This is what no note taking gets you.

[Tattersail_]

The Dude, on 15 January 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 15 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Is it just me, or did that little interaction between Hinter and BC seem a little odd?

Not sure what was up with Hinter. I'd say there is code in there somewhere... but seeing as we can't reveal, that would be pointless.

The Dude says this and then does what he did. Very strange.

[Tattersail_]

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 05:46 AM, said:

I was headed to bed and I got a little panicky cause I forgot to keep up with the game thread this evening. Lo and behold, not much has happened. Mechanics pondering has been interesting, but Bubba telling us that there are no new mechanics throws a lot of that to the wind. So, I think that given the no CFs there HAS to be at least a finder, and the no reveals thing means he or she has to try to lead the game thread towards lynching the scum using their own cunning instead of hitting them over the head with reveals. Gonna be an interesting game, specially considering it is an altless. It is going to be difficult to put aside my vendettas to play properly, that's for sure.

Why would anyone other than scum panic like this. It's very strange that he says this. I missed it first time round but, re reading, it does stand out.

[Tattersail_]

Okay this is interesting my vote for Blend. Followed by that days discussion. Reading over it again makes me think that Khell could have been the symp but we think the Dude was the symp so go figure. Either way for voting him (Blend) I got a few nuggets in my opinion.

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

My vote worked though, you are here, ready to talk. I hope you wasn't lurking my friend.

I was reading the thread from my phone on the bus, and though I could have replied, I prefer to do so from a PC so that I can quote things properly and type properly. Plus, the bus driver had the heat on at like 1 Million degrees so it was a frikkin sauna on the bus, even with the windows open. Makes for very difficult concentrating. But anyway, if you go look at any game I've participated in, you'll see that I very rarely post before about 9am EST.

I was half joking with the underlined but it prompted him to let us know that he was watching the thread.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Khell

Scummy move following a nothing vote and starting a train with nothing to go on. Scummiest thing this game so far in my opinion

A nothing vote? WTF? I voted you cause you're obviously trying to control the thread, basically from the start. You're trying to manipulate the filthy newbie into doing your bidding, which, if I were scum, would be my first move. Aim for the weakest link, aka, the filthy newbie, and then slowly work yourself up to the more powerful, intelligent players, aka, me! Know, though, that you'll never get me on your side, Scummy McScummerson.

He says I was trying to control the thread which he later back tracked, so his vote WAS a nothing vote which is what I said. This suggests that he wasn't paying attention when reading the thread up until when I voted for him even though he has been around quite a lot.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

For now I will

remove vote

As I don't want people to just pile on cause there are more votes on Tatts than anywhere else. I'd like to hear more, but I still think that Tatts is pretty scummy.

So even though he says it "wasn't a nothing vote" he removes vote anyway. Why? To avoid making waves, he doesn't want to be the one to start a train.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Two pronged scum attack? wow.

fair enough

control the thread how? Do you know what that means? How am I doing that? No one has followed any of my votes. I was trying to manipulate the newbie into voting night, that's right, i'm not denying it. How does that make me scum?

Okay, after careful inspection of the thread, I may have been mistaken on the 'controlling the thread' thing. But as you say above, you tried to get the filthy newbie to vote night, and that right there is a scum move. It's a 'let's give up the right to use town's only power, the lynch, to allow the killers to use their powers' thing. How does that NOT make you scum?

And don't think that I didn't see your partner, Tapper, try to get him to do the same thing. Shame on you both for trying to confuse the poor filthy newbie.

He says he is mistaken for the reason of his vote. That it is my goading the new guy that makes me look scummy, something which Lady Bliss actually said earlier. So his reason changes from his own to what someone else thinks.


So his play and comments on this page stand out to me. It could be a reason the Dude said what he said because going back and looking over paints Blend as scummy.

[Tattersail_]

Remove Vote

Vote Blend

[Lady Bliss]

Tapper said:

1358757150[/url]' post='1025280']

Lady Bliss said:

1358644978[/url]' post='1025132']
I did another read through today and came across this post which stood out to me:

The Dude said:

1358377599[/url]' post='1024651']

Khellendros said:

1358375357[/url]' post='1024631']

Lady Bliss said:

1358372874[/url]' post='1024609']

Khellendros said:

1358372325[/url]' post='1024606']
Bliss, it's not your voting for Blend that I necessarily disagree with. Right now, he's my second choice after Tats, but the way you identified me as a killer with Blend but then voted Blend rather than me which is interesting, as is the timing of your vote. You are, after all, the person I'm accusing of being a symp if I'm right about Tats, and so it's interesting that you agree with Tats' assumptions but then vote differently to him. That suggests to me that you want to help him but don't feel you can afford to vote the same way as him, so you go for his other target, and dress it up as your own 'case'.

Khell, the reason why I chose Blend over you is because he really seems to be milking this 'dirty' talk. Tapper also emphasized "dirty" in his response which seems significant.
The fact that I flirted with Tatts is just my being a shameless tart which we should all be aware of by now. I think he spazzed a bit too much, and does look scummy, but the Blend, Khell, Tapper case I made just seems stronger to me.

Oh yes, your case is super-strong.

Remove Vote
Vote Blend


I do like your 'oh yes, I think Tats is scummy, but actually I clearly have no intention of voting for him ever'

I'll only be around a couple more hours on and off, day timeout is in the wee small hours for me.

And this seals the deal

vote Khell


you have looked scummy to me all game and this vote stinks of trying to get a train going on someone to save your skin before they can turn on you.


I'd also be open to tattersail. But I am happy with this vote. Same feeling I got when I led the train on Ruse day one last game. I was right then as well. I am going with informed instincts here.

I don't really have a feel for Bliss. I don't think a lynch is as essential in a non CF game as we don't know either way if we are right or not. So unless I got a better feel for her I;m not sure if i'd go for a vote on her.

Not sure how I feel about a blend lynch. His interactions with Khell haven't stuck out at me. (And Khell's interactions with him are not the reason I am voting Khell).

Let me go back and look at Bliss and see if I can pick up what you guys are sensing.

Dude went after Khell when he put Blend at 4 votes, which may have been enough to get a train rolling. This is what I would expect from a symp, as well as the false reveal today since we never got a lynch day 1. The fact that he didn't get mod killed for violating game rules doesn't support a true reveal to me.
Any scum lynch is better than none, and I'd like to see us move forward.
Vote Dude

One could see it as setting up a lynch for the next day, aye. The question is: why Khell? Khell had 2 pretty clear targets: Blend and Tatts. Any attack on Khell could therefore have been easily constructed as sympage of Blend and Tatts - imho, for better or worse (or rather, as WIFOM) the NK ties in almost perfectly with that, as well. Who-ever submitted that was either insanely lucky, really unlucky or on thread when The Dude lynch went down.

As for the 'dirty' stilton: honestly Bliss, I think you're reaching. Or at the least, you are in my case.

I love Stilton, and I am just dying to get my hands on a piece of unpasteurized Stilton as I can't find it anywhere.
Thus, I asked if Hinter's was the dirty one (if he said yes, I'd have asked him where he got it from): I remember eating it as a kid on holiday, and I hear it still exists (Stilton was unpasteurized until the nineties - why they changed it, I don't know, EU regulations? - and that version is still the holy grail of english cheese, bacteria or not, rather than the pasteurized version ("clean") version).

To be fair, all the dirty talk was odd, but I think the reactions we got from Blend and Dude are more telling.

[Blend]

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

[Blend]

Blend, on 21 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 21 January 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Vote Blend

For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

We should also take into account the fact that Khell was NK'd on Night 2. If Dude hadn't done his 'fake' reveal thing, then Khell would almost definitely have pursued his case against Tatts. Given that the train was either going my way or Tatts' way today, I think it makes perfect sense for Tatts to kill off Khell (who was one of the people who were vocally working against him during Day 1) and leave me around so that you guys wouldn't automatically go for Tatts today. *shrugs* Seems pretty clear cut to me, but I suppose it could easily look like I set all that up.

Listen, lynch me if you must, but I do sincerely hope that you have a strong look at Tatts afterwards.

remove vote
vote Tattersail

[Blend]

Lady Bliss, on 21 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Tapper said:

1358757150[/url]' post='1025280']

Lady Bliss said:

1358644978[/url]' post='1025132']
I did another read through today and came across this post which stood out to me:

The Dude said:

1358377599[/url]' post='1024651']

Khellendros said:

1358375357[/url]' post='1024631']

Lady Bliss said:

1358372874[/url]' post='1024609']

Khellendros said:

1358372325[/url]' post='1024606']
Bliss, it's not your voting for Blend that I necessarily disagree with. Right now, he's my second choice after Tats, but the way you identified me as a killer with Blend but then voted Blend rather than me which is interesting, as is the timing of your vote. You are, after all, the person I'm accusing of being a symp if I'm right about Tats, and so it's interesting that you agree with Tats' assumptions but then vote differently to him. That suggests to me that you want to help him but don't feel you can afford to vote the same way as him, so you go for his other target, and dress it up as your own 'case'.

Khell, the reason why I chose Blend over you is because he really seems to be milking this 'dirty' talk. Tapper also emphasized "dirty" in his response which seems significant.
The fact that I flirted with Tatts is just my being a shameless tart which we should all be aware of by now. I think he spazzed a bit too much, and does look scummy, but the Blend, Khell, Tapper case I made just seems stronger to me.

Oh yes, your case is super-strong.

Remove Vote
Vote Blend


I do like your 'oh yes, I think Tats is scummy, but actually I clearly have no intention of voting for him ever'

I'll only be around a couple more hours on and off, day timeout is in the wee small hours for me.

And this seals the deal

vote Khell


you have looked scummy to me all game and this vote stinks of trying to get a train going on someone to save your skin before they can turn on you.


I'd also be open to tattersail. But I am happy with this vote. Same feeling I got when I led the train on Ruse day one last game. I was right then as well. I am going with informed instincts here.

I don't really have a feel for Bliss. I don't think a lynch is as essential in a non CF game as we don't know either way if we are right or not. So unless I got a better feel for her I;m not sure if i'd go for a vote on her.

Not sure how I feel about a blend lynch. His interactions with Khell haven't stuck out at me. (And Khell's interactions with him are not the reason I am voting Khell).

Let me go back and look at Bliss and see if I can pick up what you guys are sensing.

Dude went after Khell when he put Blend at 4 votes, which may have been enough to get a train rolling. This is what I would expect from a symp, as well as the false reveal today since we never got a lynch day 1. The fact that he didn't get mod killed for violating game rules doesn't support a true reveal to me.
Any scum lynch is better than none, and I'd like to see us move forward.
Vote Dude

One could see it as setting up a lynch for the next day, aye. The question is: why Khell? Khell had 2 pretty clear targets: Blend and Tatts. Any attack on Khell could therefore have been easily constructed as sympage of Blend and Tatts - imho, for better or worse (or rather, as WIFOM) the NK ties in almost perfectly with that, as well. Who-ever submitted that was either insanely lucky, really unlucky or on thread when The Dude lynch went down.

As for the 'dirty' stilton: honestly Bliss, I think you're reaching. Or at the least, you are in my case.

I love Stilton, and I am just dying to get my hands on a piece of unpasteurized Stilton as I can't find it anywhere.
Thus, I asked if Hinter's was the dirty one (if he said yes, I'd have asked him where he got it from): I remember eating it as a kid on holiday, and I hear it still exists (Stilton was unpasteurized until the nineties - why they changed it, I don't know, EU regulations? - and that version is still the holy grail of english cheese, bacteria or not, rather than the pasteurized version ("clean") version).

To be fair, all the dirty talk was odd, but I think the reactions we got from Blend and Dude are more telling.

So, I basically refute your argument with the same thing as Tapper just said above, implying that your 'case' was weak, that you were reaching, and my reaction was telling? More telling that Tapper's refutation? You're not really making sense, if you ask me.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 19 January 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Hello all, sorry for my absence yesterday, twas unavoidable. And I probably won't be around too much this weekend either.

The first thing I thought when I saw the Dude's post was: 'Modkill'. For a game like this, with the pretty clear objectives which it hopes to achieve, I was a bit disappointed, as I thought it crossed over what was 'acceptable.'

Having said that, stupidity could just as easily equate to bona fide finder as it could to scum for me. Anyone who did that kind of post obviously wasn't fully cognizant of the rule applications, whatever their own role might be. So for me it's not definitive proof that the Dude is scum, just that he's played badly.

Going off how I've seen the Dude play before, he tends to coast the first half/two-thirds of the game, before exploding into action around endgame. So this is unusual play for him to say the least. Which makes me think something is forcing his hand, or at least he feels something is forcing his hand.

If we theorise that he is a symp, then the obvious thing seems to be either Tattersail or Blend (or both?! Well, not too likely). If he is a finder, perhaps something we don't know about has made him rush. So I want to wait to see what the Dude says. I wonder at this moment if it has anything to do with that 'parting word' which the Professor pulled people aside for in the scene.


What makes me quite nervous is how quickly the likes of Hinter, Bonecaster, and HO jumped on the Dude train - that was startling. And Silencer, even though he is asking people to slow down, could easily himelf be saying that to make him seem more inno after starting the train in the first place. But those jump on votes make me very very nervous.

I won't vote anything yet, but I do want to ask - has anyone looked at the Gnaw NK? If not, I'm going to have a look through his posts, see if there's any sort of possible clue there.

Khell said he may look at you or me, and also what Gnaw might have stumbled across to draw the night kill. I'll go back and look more at Gnaw but you are not being 100% townlike with your posts. Town aren't meant to lie Blend.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 19 January 2013 - 03:20 PM, said:

Silencer, on 19 January 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

I don't think anyone is claiming definitive proof - it's just vastly more likely that 1) a scum would take that kind of risk, and 2) they wouldn't be modkilled for it. Of course, my argument is that, actually, the Dude WAS fully cognizant of the rules, and was pushing his luck in order to try and control the thread like a boss. It's a brilliant play by scum. It's a horrific play by Town; and with no way to verify the claim as we normally would be able to, leaving the Dude alive is just begging for the WIFOM to come bite us in the ass later.

Hmm, it's clearly NOT a brilliant play by scum if the Dude is that, as he's all but getting lynched. I would argue that it's a stupid play no matter what role you are - as if the rules had been paid attention to, you would have known that what happened with Bubba coming out was inevitable.

If the Dude is scum, he is far more likely in my opinion to be a symp than a killer. I do think we should take a look and see if anyone stands out as the most likely people he might be protecting/deflecting from.

Silencer, on 19 January 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Yeah, the pileup on this one has been startlingly swift. I guess people are a bit frustrated at the outcome of Day One (what with the board outage and all), but it's still overkill. Though I'm hurt that you'd think I would just *say* something like that to seem more inno. In all seriousness, the pileon is concerning, no doubt.

I haven't looked into the NK too hard - there's WIFOM enough on this thread already. But probing his interactions on day one is probably worthwhile, even if I can't really bring myself to comb back over that madness just yet. XD

Yeah, you're right that part of the pile-on at least could be frustration from day 1. I still think it looks somewhat dodgy though.


Here's a sudden thought which has just occurred to me:

- The Dude is a symp.

- HO is a killer.

The Dude makes a play which he thinks will be identified as most likely symp play, and sacrifices himself to all but CI HiddenOne for the rest of the game. High-risk maybe, but if that really is the strategy, then you could say it's working perfectly right now. Not sure how likely it could be, but I think it is something else to keep in mind.


I will look through the Dude's (and Gnaw's) posts at some point today.

Another post by Khell here pointing fingers a few different places. My point is that he hasn't decided whom he thinks is scum, so I don't know how you came to this conclusion. Based off a day one vote? Lady Bliss' symping of me? I don't see her being symp like to be honest. She's asked the right questions in the right places but she hasn't tried to steer any lynches.

I'm going to have a look at Gnaw early doors and see if he says anything of use...

[Lady Bliss]

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For disappearing and not arguing more with Khell. These two are never this agreeable.

Well that's not nice. I said I was going to bed on the last post I made before your vote, and I just got to work, and the first thing I did after checking my emails is come on here and start accusing you of being a scummy player. Sure, I'm not arguing with Khell, but he hasn't, yet, said anything to really get my back up... yet.

Earlier he said he was panicking not keeping up with the thread, now he says the first thing he does is come straight here...

First I wanted to pull this out of your wall of quotes, because it's a blatant misrepresentation or willful misinterpretation of what I said. The post where I said I was a little panicky was from the night before. I don't always spend the entire night at home on my computer checking the Mafias. I do, however, spend the majority of my work day with Mafia open in one of my browser tabs, so I keep an eye on it everyday. So when I said the first thing I did after checking my (work) email was to check Mafia, I wasn't lying, nor was I lying when I said I hadn't checked the thread all evening the night before.

I thought that was pretty clear from my posts, but I guess some people just need it spelled out to them.

As for the rest of your post, you're right, it was a mistake on my part re: the controlling the thread thing. I knew you were trying to manipulate BC into doing what you wanted, and assumed you were trying to do it with the whole thread without properly re-reading. It happens, it was a mistake, it'll probably cost me my life, but what can I say besides sorry.

That being said, if the only thing you can pull to accuse me of being scum is the fact that I was wrongfully accusing you of something, then I could argue that you're just as guilty of doing so yourself, not to mention that you went into straight up panic mode when you were accused by Khell of being scum, and you were trying to manipulate the newbie. Put that together with your possible connection to Bliss (as pointed out by Khell on Day 1) and you look pretty scummy to me.

We should also take into account the fact that Khell was NK'd on Night 2. If Dude hadn't done his 'fake' reveal thing, then Khell would almost definitely have pursued his case against Tatts. Given that the train was either going my way or Tatts' way today, I think it makes perfect sense for Tatts to kill off Khell (who was one of the people who were vocally working against him during Day 1) and leave me around so that you guys wouldn't automatically go for Tatts today. *shrugs* Seems pretty clear cut to me, but I suppose it could easily look like I set all that up.

Listen, lynch me if you must, but I do sincerely hope that you have a strong look at Tatts afterwards.

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Did you kill Khell just so you could make that case? I think Dude was protecting either you or Tatts, although it looks more like you based on timing of his Khell vote. If we lynch you and there is no indication that we've gotten a killer, then Tatts is the next one I'll look at.