[Khellendros]

D, on 14 February 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 14 February 2013 - 09:49 PM, said:

Drek I would.build orbitals this round but you betrayed me with Vega, I cannot trust you to not attack me this round.

So instead we have to go through the dance of you building ships, upgrading them and moving them at me, then I build elsewhere and counter-move into your hexes, and then you move to try and counter those, putting yourself so far into debt you have to remove a sector or two and still can't claim anything you won, while I end up losing a bunch of materials to an elaborate suicide attack that accomplishes nothing?

Sigh... if we must...

He REALLY didn't like you taking Vega

[Tattersail_]

I don't know what I'm going to do.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 14 February 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

I don't know what I'm going to do.

Well let's see what IH and D'rek get up to next.

[D'rek]

I don't know what I'm going to do either, so I'm going to stall building my ships as long as I can to ensure I can still react to anything all these crazy people do. I hope...

[D'rek]

Actually, I'll probably be offline for a while, so my provisional is to trade 3 materials to science and research PLASMA MISSILES!!!

[twelve]

D, on 14 February 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Actually, I'll probably be offline for a while, so my provisional is to trade 3 materials to science and research PLASMA MISSILES!!!

The game keeps getting more and more interesting.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 14 February 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

D, on 14 February 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Actually, I'll probably be offline for a while, so my provisional is to trade 3 materials to science and research PLASMA MISSILES!!!

The game keeps getting more and more interesting.

Beware THAT if you are thinking of attacking me... and you don't have point defenses

[twelve]

D, on 14 February 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

twelve, on 14 February 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

D, on 14 February 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Actually, I'll probably be offline for a while, so my provisional is to trade 3 materials to science and research PLASMA MISSILES!!!

The game keeps getting more and more interesting.

Beware THAT if you are thinking of attacking me... and you don't have point defenses

This can quickly devolve into:

My missles are better than your missles.

Na Na Ninny boo.

[Imperial Historian]

Too much intrigue and it's past my bedtime. I'll try and figure out what to do in the morning.

[Tattersail_]

D'rek that was a hostile move, I went to bed thinking things through trying to clear my head. I was about to build two orbitals and influence the science hex and go for a lot of research next go. Yet you just showed your intent. Now I cannot build two orbitals because that would not leave me enough materials to build any ships. Why do it? Can you not change before I go?

[Tattersail_]

D'rek can build two Cruisers. She already has one in Lambda Serpentis. So in theory she could strike for my homeworld this go with 3 cruisers. If I placed a Starbase in Zeta Andromedae she can still get through with two. Those two against one dread would win so either I concede she is going to take my homeworld and attack her through vega and go for her homeworld OR I play defensive and move two dreads into my homeworld and lose the game like a pussy. I could be bold and build 3 orbitals and influence the science planet. Knowing i'm going to get screwed.

OR

Twelve and CF or Khell and EM will realise that if she does end up taking my homeworld she will have a hex worth 3 VP's.

OR D'rek opens diplomatic relations with me, and I will not attack her. I promise as long as she promises too. That would mean I can build 3 orbitals, influence that far left hex and end up having a lot of science to spend on research.

I personally prefer option 3, she opens diplomatic relations, I put one cube on there, and gain 5 science cubes through orbitals and influence. Next round I push for a lot of research.

[Imperial Historian]

I don't know what to do! You guys are all doing crazy things, and Khell is going to run away with the game with a military that could be destroyed with a well placed sneeze.

Upgrade: put an antimatter cannon and a nuclear drive on my dread, over my ion cannons

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 15 February 2013 - 11:30 AM, said:

I don't know what to do! You guys are all doing crazy things, and Khell is going to run away with the game with a military that could be destroyed with a well placed sneeze.

Upgrade: put an antimatter cannon and a nuclear drive on my dread, over my ion cannons

It could go a lot of ways. Do you support D'rek going for me or would you prefer her support? I would prefer to keep grabbing research.

[Imperial Historian]

I've been happy for d'rek to do her thing, and me to do mine. If you build ships you are a major threat to her, so though I have to admit I wasn't expecting her to research plasma missiles it is a solid defensive move.

[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 15 February 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

I've been happy for d'rek to do her thing, and me to do mine. If you build ships you are a major threat to her, so though I have to admit I wasn't expecting her to research plasma missiles it is a solid defensive move.

The missiles fire first no? So if she upgrades her ship would they not strike me before I get to unleash hell on her? Personally I would prefer to build orbitals and populate science discs. I can see where I have gone wrong this game. I could and should have stayed out of the fighting and explored and researched a lot more at the beginning.

Three factions of military might, yours, Twelves and Khell's. I am no threat military wise but I can be a hindrance. I am offering D'rek a chance to support you by not attacking her this round.

I can build a Dread, Cruiser and Starbase and move those Dread's into either of her hexes if it comes to it. I don't want that if I can help it. Too little too late I suppose.

[Tattersail_]

Also do you know what my conversion rate is?

[cerveza_fiesta]

whew. Things are ok.

Baby had something in the back of her throat and mme. CF couldn't figure out what it was. Weird though cos mini-CF is only 4 months old and isn't ever put anywhere that she might grab something and put it in her mouth. I'm guessing it was just a big gross blob of snot & fermented baby formula....we went to Emerg at the hospital anyway. Man, Canadian health care is such that you KNOW if you go to the hospital you're in for a 10 hour wait unless you're dying...but if you go in with a sick baby it's like 10 minute service. Awesome!

Anyways, she swallowed whatever it was and after she was discharged we had a romantic Valentines dinner at the hospital cafeteria. Cheap food! Everyone wins!\

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So whose turn is it now?

@ Tattersail.

The missiles are a worry for sure, and could do a lot of damage. Your -2 missile shields are an asset however, and your dreads have a LOT of hitpoints. With a build and an upgrade you could take Vega pretty easily. Don't back down!

@ Twelve

Not sure what to do now. Khell can build a lot of ships, but his influence has been extended such that he can't mobilize much of it very quickly in a given turn....and given that the idea of the game is to win (and he still has a credible chance of it w/o EM as ally) I don't know why he'd make it a singular goal to spite us at the expense of all else.

If we're going to strike EM, it's now or never. His fleet could get very strong next turn and we'd have a hard time dealing with it....plus he has nothing to do but assault Beta Leonis. As much fun as it'd be to jump a bunch of ships into Delta Corvi, I think we gotta deal with EM and do what we can to Khell next turn.

If you can lend support of that dread I can probably wrap up that battle with essentially no losses. Alternately pull your dread for GC defense and lend a missile interceptor or 2.

EDIT - that should leave you enough material to defend the GC from possible incursion this turn by IH right? If you feel you need all your material, I think I have a decent chance of wrapping up the EM battle without your help.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 15 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

[Tattersail_]

cerveza_fiesta, on 15 February 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

whew. Things are ok.

Baby had something in the back of her throat and mme. CF couldn't figure out what it was. Weird though cos mini-CF is only 4 months old and isn't ever put anywhere that she might grab something and put it in her mouth. I'm guessing it was just a big gross blob of snot & fermented baby formula....we went to Emerg at the hospital anyway. Man, Canadian health care is such that you KNOW if you go to the hospital you're in for a 10 hour wait unless you're dying...but if you go in with a sick baby it's like 10 minute service. Awesome!

Anyways, she swallowed whatever it was and after she was discharged we had a romantic Valentines dinner at the hospital cafeteria. Cheap food! Everyone wins!\

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So whose turn is it now?

@ Tattersail.

The missiles are a worry for sure, and could do a lot of damage. Your -2 missile shields are an asset however, and your dreads have a LOT of hitpoints. With a build and an upgrade you could take Vega pretty easily. Don't back down!

@ Twelve

Not sure what to do now. Khell can build a lot of ships, but his influence has been extended such that he can't mobilize much of it very quickly in a given turn....and given that the idea of the game is to win (and he still has a credible chance of it w/o EM as ally) I don't know why he'd make it a singular goal to spite us at the expense of all else.

If we're going to strike EM, it's now or never. His fleet could get very strong next turn and we'd have a hard time dealing with it....plus he has nothing to do but assault Beta Leonis. As much fun as it'd be to jump a bunch of ships into Delta Corvi, I think we gotta deal with EM and do what we can to Khell next turn.

If you can lend support of that dread I can probably wrap up that battle with essentially no losses. Alternately pull your dread for GC defense and lend a missile interceptor or 2.

EDIT - that should leave you enough material to defend the GC from possible incursion this turn by IH right? If you feel you need all your material, I think I have a decent chance of wrapping up the EM battle without your help.

You are thinking about Vega but ignoring my homeworld. Yes I can take Vega easily without a problem, but is taking Vega worth losing Beta Hydra? D'rek can move two hexes. Even if I build a starbase to block one ship getting to Beta Hydra she can build two and as long as one gets through she'll be able to de populate my homeworld with her neutron bombs.

Therefore, it is not in my interest to attack Vega.

[Tattersail_]

Oh, i'm glad mini CF is okay!!!!

[cerveza_fiesta]

But it's also not in Drek's best interest to leave her systems undefended and go into a base-race with you, especially when you are in position to strike at her homeworld next turn...it doesn't benefit the points count of her alliance to allow you to drive a wedge into her territories.

You could move an interceptor to unpin your dread, move dread to vega and see how she reacts. If she aims for your homeworld, your dread is probably still enough to take out that orbital on its own and you can make your build action of a second dread/cruiser in your home sector to defend against her counter. An upgrade to AM cannons wouldn't hut either.

Scenario 1, you fight in Vega and D'rek chooses to defend it. Commit all your forces, probably win.

Scenario 2, you fight in vega with a single dread, drek chooses to take your home system

scenario 2-a, you lose in Vega, but still deplete her resources that she committed to your homeworld and sets you up for an assault next turn.
scenario 2-b, you win in Vega, and win in the home system. Massive win for you. At worst you lose the system she put the interceptor in.

scenario 3, you lose all around.

I guess it's a risk but payoff could be really good.

All of this aggravated by the fact that I haven't decided if I'm going to abandon the idea of going after Delta Corvi...maybe she won't want to commit everything to screwing you over.