[QuickTidal]

I agree with the majority of the Noms...EXCEPT SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK...the film is decent but it's not REMOTELY Oscar-worthy...and the fact that it's been Nommed in so many categories is kind of annoying and proves that sometimes Hippy Dippy Indie Feely garbagio tickles the fancy of the Academy.

Oh, and Tom Hooper not being Nommed for BEST DIRECTOR for LES MIS...travesty. Total travesty.

Otherwise, here they are.

BEST PICTURE
“Zero Dark Thirty”
“Silver Linings Playbook”
“Lincoln”
“Les Miserables”
“Life of Pi”
“Amour”
“Django Unchained”
“Argo”
“Beasts of the Southern Wild”

BEST ACTRESS
Jessica Chastain for “Zero Dark Thirty”
Naomi Watts for “The Impossible”
Jennifer Lawrence for “Silver Linings Playbook”
Quvenzhane Wallis for “Beasts of the Southern Wild”
Emanuelle Riva for “Amour”

BEST ACTOR
Daniel Day-Lewis for “Lincoln”
Denzel Washington for “Flight”
Joaquin Phoenix for “The Master”
Hugh Jackman for “Les Miserables”
Bradley Cooper for “Silver Linings Playbook”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Tommy Lee Jones for “Lincoln”
Phillip Seymour Hoffman for “The Master”
Christoph Waltz for “Django Unchained”
Alan Arkin for “Argo”
Robert De Niro for “Silver Linings Playbook”

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Anne Hathaway for “Les Miserables”
Sally Field for “Lincoln”
Jackie Weaver in “Silver Linings Playbook”
Helen Hunt for “The Sessions”
Amy Adams for “The Master”

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
“Lincoln”
“Silver Linings Playbook”
“Argo”
“Life of Pi”
“Beasts of the Southern Wild”

BEST DIRECTOR
Ang Lee for “Life of Pi”
Steven Spielberg for “Lincoln”
David O. Russell for “Silver Linings Playbook”
Michael Haneke for “Amour”
Benh Zeitlin for “Beasts of the Southern Wild”

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
“Zero Dark Thirty”
“Django Unchained”
“Moonrise Kingdom”
“Amour”
“Flight”

BEST ANIMATED FILM
“Frankenweenie”
“The Pirates! Band of Misfits”
“Wreck-It Ralph”
“Paranorman”
“Brave”

BEST FOREIGN FEATURE
“Amour”
“A Royal Affair”
“Kon-Tiki”
“No”
“War Witch”

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
“Life of Pi”
“The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey”
“The Avengers”
“Prometheus”
“Snow White and the Huntsman”

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
“Skyfall”
“Anna Karenina”
“Django Unchained”
“Life of Pi”
“Lincoln”

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
“Anna Karenina”
“Les Miserables”
“Lincoln”
“Mirror Mirror”
“Snow White and the Huntsman”

The 85th Academy Awards will be announced on Sunday February 24th.

[Tapper]

Really, the girl from "Beast of the Southern Wild"? I thought she and the main male lead weren't eligible because they weren't professional actors at the time of the shooting of the movie. It was a decent view and a fairly daring experiment that left me quite conflicted about what my opinion of it was, but I wouldn't call it Oscar-worthy as best movie (director is perhaps a different story as directing a cast of amateurs is quite different, and on a very limited budget, too).

Christoph Waltz for Django Unchained... that's quite the deja vu.

With all the critic praise for The Master, I had expected a nomination for best movie.

As for Les Mis, I haven't seen it. But it is being shot down here and there as being over-produced, which may be why Hooper is left out.

[QuickTidal]

Tapper, on 10 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

As for Les Mis, I haven't seen it. But it is being shot down here and there as being over-produced, which may be why Hooper is left out.

What? It's not remotely overproduced...if anything it's under-produced...on purpose. The singing was done live on set and wasn't modified in post-production at all, giving it a visceral, gritty and unpolished feel...I mean people's voices crack, they sob through parts of songs, and even hit raunchy notes now and again. It's a very real experience.

And considering it's nommed in Best Actor, Supporting, AND Best Picture (which I hope it wins)...I expected a Direction Nom for Hooper. But that would be two years in a row (considering he won last year for THE KING'S SPEECH)...which I'm wagering has more to do with it in the Academy's eyes...I can't recall if a Director has ever won two years in a row.

And RE: THE MASTER...everyone I know who has seen it (all are fans of Anderson's work) have said the same thing, they thought that the acting performances were absolutely excellent, but that the film as a whole didn't blow them away as they thought it would.

[polishgenius]

Tapper, on 10 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Really, the girl from "Beast of the Southern Wild"? I thought she and the main male lead weren't eligible because they weren't professional actors at the time of the shooting of the movie. It was a decent view and a fairly daring experiment that left me quite conflicted about what my opinion of it was, but I wouldn't call it Oscar-worthy as best movie (director is perhaps a different story as directing a cast of amateurs is quite different, and on a very limited budget, too).

That ruled them out of Screen Actor's Guild awards, but not the Oscars.
I'm glad it's being so heavily featured, I loved it. My film of the year.

Mind you, I've not seen a great many of the noms - being in the UK most of the ones I actually want to see aren't out yet, and I didn't care about Silver Linings or Life of Pi.

Amour up for best picture and best foreign feature, has that happened before?

[Tapper]

polishgenius, on 10 January 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Tapper, on 10 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Really, the girl from "Beast of the Southern Wild"? I thought she and the main male lead weren't eligible because they weren't professional actors at the time of the shooting of the movie. It was a decent view and a fairly daring experiment that left me quite conflicted about what my opinion of it was, but I wouldn't call it Oscar-worthy as best movie (director is perhaps a different story as directing a cast of amateurs is quite different, and on a very limited budget, too).

That ruled them out of Screen Actor's Guild awards, but not the Oscars.
I'm glad it's being so heavily featured, I loved it. My film of the year.

Mind you, I've not seen a great many of the noms - being in the UK most of the ones I actually want to see aren't out yet, and I didn't care about Silver Linings or Life of Pi.

Amour up for best picture and best foreign feature, has that happened before?

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?

[McLovin]

I think a similar thing happened to LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, iirc.

[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 10 January 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Amour up for best picture and best foreign feature, has that happened before?

Yes. LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL.

It only won Best Foreign...but was up for BEST PIC as well.

Oh and CROUCHING TIGER as well...

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[QuickTidal]

I think SKYFALL needs to win Best Cinematography. By FAR. That movie was GORGEOUSLY shot.

Oh and "BEFORE MY TIME" from my fave Doc CHASING ICE for Original Song.

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[Tapper]

QuickTidal, on 10 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Tapper, on 10 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

As for Les Mis, I haven't seen it. But it is being shot down here and there as being over-produced, which may be why Hooper is left out.

What? It's not remotely overproduced...if anything it's under-produced...on purpose. The singing was done live on set and wasn't modified in post-production at all, giving it a visceral, gritty and unpolished feel...I mean people's voices crack, they sob through parts of songs, and even hit raunchy notes now and again. It's a very real experience.

I don't mean the singing - reports say that is good/great/excellent everywhere, and if critized, it is a single song or actor and the dislike with their performance that is wholely down to the reviewer's own tastes, as others single that one out as excellent (Anne Hathaway).

I mean the camaera handling, mostly: apparently it twists and turns a lot, going into sharp angles, allowing barely a moment of rest/ easy viewing.
Once again, it is hear-say and I haven't seen it myself, but I've read several 2-3-4 out of 5 star reviews, and only one 5-out-of-5.

[QuickTidal]

Tapper, on 10 January 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I mean the camaera handling, mostly: apparently it twists and turns a lot, going into sharp angles, allowing barely a moment of rest/ easy viewing.
Once again, it is hear-say and I haven't seen it myself, but I've read several 2-3-4 out of 5 star reviews, and only one 5-out-of-5.

Hmmm, yeah, the people who are saying that are actually blatantly lying then. The cinematography does nothing of the sort...and when anyone is singing a solo of any kind Hooper decided to use very slow moving close-ups to get actor reaction/emotions. He does wide sweep shots, but even they are slow so you can take in the scenery (like the opening shot pulling up out of the waves in the rain and up and over a ships hull to show the prison men pulling it into dock). It's done like everything is on a stage, and there are zero sharp angles that I can recall, and the camera rests almost all the time. Sure there are sequences like in the Thenardier's hotel where the camera does long panning shots around to each customer as the singing is going on around them, but it's not jarring or dizzying.

I'm not trying to contest your point though Tapper. Just give you info of someone who has seen it and finds those statements by the folks you read to be patently untrue.

[amphibian]

Lincoln shouldn't win best film or best director, but it probably will.

I had serious problems with the movie, despite largely enjoying the experience. It is Spielberg's best effort in a long, long time, but he still isn't a god-body director.

[polishgenius]

While I haven't seen any documentaries of the past year (remiss, I know), I am absolutely amazed, given the hype, that The Imposter didn't get a nomination.

[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 10 January 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

While I haven't seen any documentaries of the past year (remiss, I know), I am absolutely amazed, given the hype, that The Imposter didn't get a nomination.

CHASING ICE not being nommed astonishes me actually. Especially since the song from it is.

Apparently, Global Warming is still a touchy topic?

[QuickTidal]

amphibian, on 10 January 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Lincoln shouldn't win best film or best director, but it probably will.

I had serious problems with the movie, despite largely enjoying the experience. It is Spielberg's best effort in a long, long time, but he still isn't a god-body director.

I was going to see it this weekend...is it not worth it?

I hear tell there is a natural stopping point at the end that it goes 3-5 minutes beyond and those 3-5 minutes ruin what might have made it a better film...?

[polishgenius]

QuickTidal, on 10 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I hear tell there is a natural stopping point at the end that it goes 3-5 minutes beyond and those 3-5 minutes ruin what might have made it a better film...?

Also not seen it yet - not out here till a couple of weeks - but that's something Spielberg's got major form for, ain't it. I haven't rewatched Saving Private Ryan properly for years, but it's unbelievable how much the first and last scenes piss me off. And the last minute of War of the Worlds, holy shit.

Torn on whether to see Lincoln or not. His awards bait films usually wind me up something rotten, but I've heard enough good things that I'm tempted, especially since a couple of people have said it has a surprisingly light touch.

[QuickTidal]

polishgenius, on 10 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 10 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I hear tell there is a natural stopping point at the end that it goes 3-5 minutes beyond and those 3-5 minutes ruin what might have made it a better film...?

Also not seen it yet - not out here till a couple of weeks - but that's something Spielberg's got major form for, ain't it. I haven't rewatched Saving Private Ryan properly for years, but it's unbelievable how much the first and last scenes piss me off. And the last minute of War of the Worlds, holy shit.

Torn on whether to see Lincoln or not. His awards bait films usually wind me up something rotten, but I've heard enough good things that I'm tempted, especially since a couple of people have said it has a surprisingly light touch.

Actually, I found SPR ending to worked for me...and even AI: ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ending (which people usually say goes on way too long...but I feel is perfect)...but yeah, he's got a penchant for going on a bit long in some films. And yeah, WAR OF THE WORLD pisses me off too...

Spoiler

that kid made a HUGE sacrifice mid-film that sets off the events and motivations for the rest of the final act...and then he's found alive?! Fuck that. Way to pull every emotional nugget I invested back Spielberg! Ugh.

I've not even seen WARHORSE yet, which I still want to see.

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[Illuyankas]

With response to your spoiler, I'd be interested in knowing if there was actually any other interpretation to that bit other than

Spoiler

Dipshit Child the Elder saying he has to go see the soldiers fight the aliens, as I didn't really see any sacrifical aspects to that other than 'I wanna see the aliens explode for morale purposes' and letting Dipshit Child the Younger and the most sympathetic Cruise I've ever seen die on their own

but Spielberg really seems to have been in a slump recently.

[Ulrik]

I, honestly cant understand so much love for Lincoln. I like Spielberg, love DD-L and topic is IMO has very potential...but result? Its hamfisted adoration without ... anything. Each time another scene was wasted I remembered Hooper´s John Adams... this is waste of Day-Lewis, Steven. I would love and endure almost anything about Lincoln, even patriotic love splashed in pathos, but this is just...empty. When you see first twenty minutes, you have seen whole movie.

This post has been edited by Ulrik: 10 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

[worry]

QT how could you of all people leave out Best Documentary Feature? Haven't seen any of them yet, but people I know have been absolutely raving about Searching for Sugar Man. And I've heard great things about How to Survive A Plague and The Invisible War. I'd love to see all three. The other two I couldn't care less about, the world needs another doc on the Israel/Palestine conflict like it needs, well, the Israel/Palestine conflict.

[amphibian]

QuickTidal, on 10 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I was going to see it this weekend...is it not worth it?

I hear tell there is a natural stopping point at the end that it goes 3-5 minutes beyond and those 3-5 minutes ruin what might have made it a better film...?

No, that's not it. It ends at the right time - with a flashback post-assassination/deathbed to what made Lincoln worthy of praise.

The problem lies with the treatment of black people in the movie. To put it short, there is no Frederick Douglass or any amalgamation of the many black figures that helped keep Lincoln's backbone stiff for the fight over slavery and equal rights. It's not Django levels of subtle racism, but it is there. What's weird is that Mary Todd's maid gets a bit of screen time as being a black woman with a brain that's vitally interested in the political proceedings, but she's nearly alone in the film. The rest of the black people are either there to express discontent in a quiet way or shuffled in en masse for a visual effect.

In terms of Lincoln himself, Daniel Day Lewis friggin' knocks it out of the park and many of the actors surrounding him do as good a job. The problems lie with the story and with Spielberg's touch upon things.