[Rake's Progress]

I guess they made this because they couldn't make a live action version of Neon Genesis Evangelion...where they build giant robot things to fight against a threat that comes from within their own planet in the form of the Angels? But whatever. I'll watch it. Love Del Toro.

[QuickTidal]

Rake, on 14 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I guess they made this because they couldn't make a live action version of Neon Genesis Evangelion...where they build giant robot things to fight against a threat that comes from within their own planet in the form of the Angels? But whatever. I'll watch it. Love Del Toro.

The Angels in Eva don't come from earth, they come from Heaven (aka otherworldly of some description)...and they do so because humans killed Adam and Lilith is skewered and locked up deep below Central Dogma.

But yeah, this gives me serious Eva vibes...most especially the "neural link" the pilots have with their Jaegers.

[Mrs Savagely Wishy Washy]

QuickTidal, on 14 December 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

And I think my issue with Miss Savage's bizarre summation and comparison to Transformers (as well as Prometheus...a comparison that baffles me) urks me because if anything this is Old School Classic Big Robot Anime...something first crafted in the 1960's...and this film is Del Toro's love letter to that. Heck, you could even make small comparisons (as Silencer did) to Evangelion...

NOTE: Writing this point reminded me that while he was here in Toronto shooting PACIFIC RIM, Del Toro took his daughter to the same screenings of Myazaki's MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO and KIKI'S DELIVERY SERVICE during the retrospective that I attended...and it made me smile to see him there in a capacity just as a Myazaki fan and a dad.

Let me try one more time before I'm off on holidays!

If I remember correctly, you don't watch Arrow because you don't find it stimulating. This is what I think about Transformers, Prometheus and by the looks of the trailer PR too. Even if special effects are going to be stunning, if the story isn't great I am bored. That's why I throw the three movies all in together, because that's what they share (being non-stimulating), not where they differ. Admittedly I can't really say for PR because I haven't seen it.
I think GdT is a great movie-maker, and this movie won't change my attitude about it, Pan's Labyrinth ranks highly on my favourite movie list, and the Devil's Backbone and Cronos are great movies.
Additionally, the Robot Anime part is totally lost on me, I'm afraid.
Does that kind of clarify at least some aspects?

This post has been edited by Miss Savage: 14 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

[QuickTidal]

Miss Savage, on 14 December 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 14 December 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

And I think my issue with Miss Savage's bizarre summation and comparison to Transformers (as well as Prometheus...a comparison that baffles me) urks me because if anything this is Old School Classic Big Robot Anime...something first crafted in the 1960's...and this film is Del Toro's love letter to that. Heck, you could even make small comparisons (as Silencer did) to Evangelion...

NOTE: Writing this point reminded me that while he was here in Toronto shooting PACIFIC RIM, Del Toro took his daughter to the same screenings of Myazaki's MY NEIGHBOR TOTORO and KIKI'S DELIVERY SERVICE during the retrospective that I attended...and it made me smile to see him there in a capacity just as a Myazaki fan and a dad.

Let me try one more time before I'm off on holidays!

If I remember correctly, you don't watch Arrow because you don't find it stimulating. This is what I think about Transformers, Prometheus and by the looks of the trailer PR too. Even if special effects are going to be stunning, if the story isn't great I am bored. That's why I throw the three movies all in together, because that's what they share (being non-stimulating), not where they differ. Admittedly I can't really say for PR because I haven't seen it.
I think GdT is a great movie-maker, and this movie won't change my attitude about it, Pan's Labyrinth ranks highly on my favourite movie list, and the Devil's Backbone and Cronos are great movies.
Additionally, the Robot Anime part is totally lost on me, I'm afraid.
Does that kind of clarify at least some aspects?

Ah, I get you now. Thanks for the clarification. I can see that POV approached from that way.

[amphibian]

QuickTidal, on 14 December 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

The Angels in Eva don't come from earth, they come from Heaven (aka otherworldly of some description)...and they do so because humans killed Adam and Lilith is skewered and locked up deep below Central Dogma.

But yeah, this gives me serious Eva vibes...most especially the "neural link" the pilots have with their Jaegers.

I think this film represents a stylistic compromise between the spirits of a new action movie, Transformers, King Kong, Godzilla and Evangelion. I doubt we will see a live action EVA for a long, long time unless this movie does absolutely bonkers numbers.

It is most likely a very tough sell for a studio to drop what would probably be 200 or 300 million to get one live action EVA movie that isn't sure to succeed - especially with the weird-ass angels/Shinji's paralysis plots.

But then again, Avatar got funded and made despite its near complete lack of coherence or sensible plot. James Cameron is a fundraising genius - not necessarily a cinematic genius.

[QuickTidal]

That's a very good point.

Actually part of the reason I want an Eva movie to be funded and cast and made with a global sensibility is so that things like the nature of the Eva's, Angels, Human Instrumentality, Shinji's psychological damage ect. is not watered down. It's the kind of thing you see in non-Hollywood movies, but they rarely allow such cerebral stuff in a summer blockbuster.

I hope PR does decent enough numbers that they at least throw Eva back on the table...though I'd be pissed if they whitewashed it the way it looked like they were going to.

[Silencer]

QuickTidal, on 14 December 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

That's a very good point.

Actually part of the reason I want an Eva movie to be funded and cast and made with a global sensibility is so that things like the nature of the Eva's, Angels, Human Instrumentality, Shinji's psychological damage ect. is not watered down. It's the kind of thing you see in non-Hollywood movies, but they rarely allow such cerebral stuff in a summer blockbuster.

I hope PR does decent enough numbers that they at least throw Eva back on the table...though I'd be pissed if they whitewashed it the way it looked like they were going to.

You would need someone with phenomenal clout to get an un-watered-down live action version of Eva up on worldwide cinema screens...frankly I'm somewhere between appalled and amused at the fact that the NZ ratings board apparently considers (the Rebuild movies at least) to be Parental Guidance. Clear indication the ratings board hasn't actually watched them, and went "cartoons are for children!". Facepalm. Either that or they're taking revolutionary leaps in the field of "actually, kids aren't as stupid and in need of protecting as we think they are!". But somehow I doubt that. <.< And a live-action version WITH all the convoluted stuff would probably scare the fuck out of any investors...XD

[stone monkey]

I'll leave this here.




tbh I have a lot of time for Guillermo del Toro. He loves what he does and I think that comes through both here and in his films. And what he says actually fills me with a faint hope that Pacific Rim might not suck...

[worry]

He's an awesome storyteller, I don't see any reason to believe he'd skimp on the story elements here. The trailer's not supposed to tell you the story...the movie is.

[Dutch]

By the way, what's on the deck of the John C. Stennis? Around 0:10 in the trailer.That's one huge skeleton.

[Illuyankas]

Pretty sure it's the first monster that attacks San Francisco and takes a ridiculous amount of firepower to take down, leading to the development of the pinnacle of mankind's technology, ROCKET FISTS

[Rake's Progress]

QuickTidal, on 14 December 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Rake, on 14 December 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

I guess they made this because they couldn't make a live action version of Neon Genesis Evangelion...where they build giant robot things to fight against a threat that comes from within their own planet in the form of the Angels? But whatever. I'll watch it. Love Del Toro.

The Angels in Eva don't come from earth, they come from Heaven (aka otherworldly of some description)...and they do so because humans killed Adam and Lilith is skewered and locked up deep below Central Dogma..

I don't recall there being any definitive answer to 'where do the Angels come from'...most of the Angels in the series sort of just "appear" out of nowhere, leading people to believe they somehow emerge from another dimension or something. But then this was never really explored (but that's one of the reasons why I loved Eva so much is the weird mysteries). But if memory serves, the one Angel (forgive my vagueness, but I haven't watched the series in years) that we actually did see "emerge" was in embryonic form deep in a volcano or something. And they were trying to get it before it hatched. I think the theory was that all Angels are scattered throughout the Earth in embryonic form and are only fully detectable when they hatch or awaken, which seemed to me a fairly logical (at least in Eva's terms) explanation on where or rather how the Angels emerged in physical form on Earth. They were all kind of different species vying for dominance on the same world, but in the end it was humanity that sort of (but not really) won out. It's like they were all attempts at a dominant species or something.

I don't know. More Evangelion mysteries to geek out on. What were we talking about? Oh, yeah Pacific Rim. Looks like a hodgepodge of the Cthulhu Mythos, Evangelion, Godzilla, and Robot Jox. God I loved Robot Jox. I loved watching it in the theater and repeating the words: "Robot. Jox." every time they came out and fought.

[worry]

I watched the trailer a second time, and have confirmed that it's gonna be awesome. Also it appears that much of the trailer focuses on the first monster (except that final roar) so I'm going to bet there's much more than meets the eye.

[Silencer]

@Rake's Progress: Well, considering one of the Angels used itself as a kind of orbital-dropped, AT-field bomb and very definitively came from space, I don't think it's particularly conclusive where the Angels originate from. However it is pretty clear that they aren't all just chillaxing in volcanoes - that one was a notable exception (and is afaik cut from the Rebuild movies) which is why a big deal was made out of it.
Conversely, if they could just "appear" from another dimension at will, they would have just warped into Central Dogma looooong ago, and none of them would have needed a run-up in order to give the military their target practice. XD

I also think that if any of the Angels were attempts at a dominant species, humanity would never, ever have survived very long. Ramiel for starters is a giant polymorphic, physics-defying cube that fires frikkin lazer beams. How exactly did we outclass THAT as the best species on the planet? XD

[amphibian]

We have boobs and giant rocket fists.

[Rake's Progress]

Silencer, on 16 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

@Rake's Progress: Well, considering one of the Angels used itself as a kind of orbital-dropped, AT-field bomb and very definitively came from space, I don't think it's particularly conclusive where the Angels originate from. However it is pretty clear that they aren't all just chillaxing in volcanoes - that one was a notable exception (and is afaik cut from the Rebuild movies) which is why a big deal was made out of it.

Heh. I didn't mean to imply that all Angels are hiding in volcanos...but the planet earth is pretty big...and in an embryonic state, the Angels could conceivably be "anywhere"...just waiting to awaken. Perhaps Lilith and Adam are "calling" them or something. Who knows? But seeing as the moon was apparently part of the earth and so may also contain Angels, it's not surprising that we have a few Angels who awaken in space and are drawn back to Earth to get closer to Lilith and Adam.

Silencer, on 16 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

Conversely, if they could just "appear" from another dimension at will, they would have just warped into Central Dogma looooong ago, and none of them would have needed a run-up in order to give the military their target practice. XD

I agree. And that's actually one of the things I love about Evangelion--The Angels and the Evas have very specific and real limitation or restrictions to their respective power. Each Angel has at least one single weakness that the Nerve folks somehow are able to exploit. Also, the Evas have the battery power limitation that figures into much dramatic suspense every time one of them loses their umbilical cables and their direct connection to an electrical power source.

Silencer, on 16 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

I also think that if any of the Angels were attempts at a dominant species, humanity would never, ever have survived very long. Ramiel for starters is a giant polymorphic, physics-defying cube that fires frikkin lazer beams. How exactly did we outclass THAT as the best species on the planet? XD

I don't think it's a matter of human beings being more powerful than Angels. I guess we became the dominant species by default after some extinction level events throughout history got rid of the dinosaurs, some Angels (possibly who knows) and lord knows what else. Also, there seems to be only one of each of the Angels, which doesn't really consitute an entire race. So there again, humanity seems to have been able to proliferate itself to a point where it has achieved a modicum of dominance. Enough to be the one having to defend itself against extinction, as opposed to the Angles who seem to be precisely extinct and are drawn to Lilith and Adam like moths to a flame...maybe hoping to achieve maybe some kind of species dominance that they don't already possess.

But I agree...being made of a physics-defying polymorphic cube would be cool. It would definitely make having sex even more interesting.

On a side note... I've watched the rebuilds...and I like them and all, but the original (and flawed) series still has a very special place in my heart. I can still remember when I first watched and realizing that I had never seen anything quite like it, and being both wowed and frustrated that the series did not meet any of my expectations, and instead transcended them and bewildered me in the process. The new rebuild is slightly more slick and more put-together and actually adds some logic to the series. But I kind of like the mysterious, disjointed narrative of the original series...even the (at times) oddly weak animation seemed to lend credence that the creators were maybe losing their mind in the process. I even liked the first Evangelion movie (the one before End of Evangelion) which was a weird recap of the entire series up to that point...interspersed with the Eva pilots playing music on their string instruments. It was a strange, schizophrenic, but oddly thrilling experience and it was interesting to see the entire series cut up like that and roped into an almost frenetic logic that only Gainix could do.

But I digress. Which is fitting I guess since Evangelion was famous (or infamous) for their strange, introspective tangents into the psyche of each character.

[HoosierDaddy]

I liked Prometheus.

Giant Mech robots versus Godzilla? Cool.

When we going to bring in Mothra and mecha-Godzilla?

[McLovin]

Rake, on 17 December 2012 - 03:51 AM, said:

Heh. I didn't mean to imply that all Angels are hiding in volcanos...

Wait, are we discussing movies or Scientology?

[Abyss]

Dutch, on 14 December 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

By the way, what's on the deck of the John C. Stennis? Around 0:10 in the trailer.That's one huge skeleton.

Marine Corps graduation bbq.

Silencer, on 16 December 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:

...I also think that if any of the Angels were attempts at a dominant species, humanity would never, ever have survived very long. Ramiel for starters is a giant polymorphic, physics-defying cube that fires frikkin lazer beams. How exactly did we outclass THAT as the best species on the planet? XD

We challenged it to put itself through a round hole.

amphibian, on 16 December 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

We have boobs and giant rocket fists.

EVOLUTION WIN!!!!!!!

HoosierDaddy, on 17 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I liked Prometheus.

That's fine, we believe in openess and acceptance here, even to the delusional.

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Giant Mech robots versus Godzilla? Cool.

When we going to bring in Mothra and mecha-Godzilla?

Gamera ftw, because nothing beats a giant spinning turtle monster.

[Dutch]

What's this Eva people are talking?

Worth checking out?