[Esp]

Dragnipurake refers to Anomander's sword, Dragnipur.

[POOPOO MCBUMFACE]

I do hope he's not been holding his breath for that answer.

[Daemonwolf]

Being the HoC forum, im not sure how far the OP has read. However I will say that Anomander is referred to by many different iterations of his name throughout the saga.

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"Anomander took his first step on to the stone stairs.

And was held there, as her voice filled them.

No. Be warned, Anomander, dear son, from Andii blood is born a new world. Understand me. You and your kin are no longer alone, no longer free to play your vicious games. There are now . . . others.

Anomander spoke. 'Mother, did you imagine I would be surprised? Horrified? It could never be enough, to be naught but a mother, to create with hands closed upon no one. To yield so much of yourself, only to find us your only reward - us slayers, us betrayers.'

There is new blood within you.

'Yes.'

My son, what have you done?

'Like you, Mother, I have chosen to embrace change. Yes, there are others now. I sense them. There will be wars between us, and so I shall unite the Andii. Resistance is ending. Andarist, Drethdenan, Vanut Degalla. Silchas is fleeing, and so too Hish Tulla and Manalle. Civil strife is now over, Mother.'

You have killed Tiam. My son, do you realize what you have begun? Silchas flees, yes, and where do you think he goes? And the newborn, the others, what scent will draw them now, what taste of chaotic power? Anomander, in murder you seek peace, and now the blood flows and there shall be no peace, not ever again.

I forsake you, Anomander blood of Tiam, Dragnipurake. I deny my first children all. You shall wander the realms, bereft of purpose. You deeds shall avail you nothing. Your lives shall spawn death unending. The Dark - my heart - is closed to you, closed to you all.

And, as Anomander stood unmoving, Endest Silann cried out behind him, falling to his knees in bruising collapse. A hand of power reached into him, tore something loose, then was gone - something, yes, that he would one day call by its name: Hope. - (TtH, US TPB, p.111

[Bonecaster]

In the prologue of Midnight Tides,

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Scabandari refers to him as Anomandaris Irake.

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

GUST! You have a challenger to your title. I propose single combat.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Bonecaster, on 17 July 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

In the prologue of Midnight Tides,

Spoiler

Scabandari refers to him as Anomandaris Irake.

presumably this is before he gains dragnipur. also, thread necro throw down!

[Daemonwolf]

Sinisdar Toste, on 17 July 2011 - 07:09 PM, said:

Bonecaster, on 17 July 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

In the prologue of Midnight Tides,

Spoiler

Scabandari refers to him as Anomandaris Irake.

presumably this is before he gains dragnipur. also, thread necro throw down!

As far as I know all of the names with which he goes by are:

Anomander Rake
Anomander Purake
Anomandaris Dragnipurake
Anomandaris Purake
Anomander Irake
Anomandaris Irake
Lord of Moons Spawn
Son of Darkness
Knight of High House Dark
Mane of Chaos
Blacksword

I think there are others, but I probably dont remember them all.

[worry]

Mandy Baby

[Use Of Weapons]

I'm of the opinion that all of Anomander's various surname variations are consequential to his gaining custody of Dragnipur. From simple Anomandaris, he becomes Anomander Dragnipurake, which over the centuries gets shortened, truncated, and compressed into the form by which we are first introduced to him.

[Bonecaster]

Did he get Dragnipur before the events of the MT prologue?

[worry]

This would not be the forum in which to discuss that topic, even carefully, I don't think.

[Daemonwolf]

Bonecaster, on 19 July 2011 - 02:31 AM, said:

Did he get Dragnipur before the events of the MT prologue?

Good question, I've got nothing to reference as the timeline isn't that exact. Kinda leads to the question of whether the breaking with Mother Dark happened before he claimed Dragnipur as well, the part where he breaks with MD is when she calls him Anomandaris Dragnipurake, but as powerful as dragons are, they arent mentioned (that i recall) during any of the scenes inside Dragnipur,....

just my two cents...

[Use Of Weapons]

Draconus tells Paran that "there are dragons among us" when talking about how only the strongest keep pulling the cart

[Daemonwolf]

after you mentioned it, I do seem to recall that part we just never 'see' them, even though it appears they are in fact there.

good catch, thanks!

just my two cents..

[Bonecaster]

worrywort, on 19 July 2011 - 02:41 AM, said:

This would not be the forum in which to discuss that topic, even carefully, I don't think.

I agree. Can an admin move this?


I don't understand the point of dragons pulling the wagon.

[Daemonwolf]

The dragons pulling the wagon would be pseudo- indicative of Rake having Dragnipur prior to the MT prologue, is where that came from, so as to better determine whether "Dragnipurake" was his surname prior to or after he obtained Dragnipur

[Bonecaster]

Ah. But there's no reason to assume Draconus did not kill dragons before Rake killed him, or that Rake didn't kill dragons after he killed Draconus.

This post has been edited by Bonecaster: 19 July 2011 - 09:53 PM

[Daemonwolf]

Bonecaster, on 19 July 2011 - 09:52 PM, said:

Ah. But there's no reason to assume Draconus did not kill dragons before Rake killed him, or that Rake didn't kill dragons after he killed Draconus.

Yeah, that was kinda the whole direction this topic took.

Is Rakes surname an indication of his having Dragnipur (Mother Dark refers to him as Anomandaris Dragnipurake, when she tuns away from them) or is it unrelated. To figure it out you'd really have to determine a timeline.

[Bonecaster]

Again, it would probably be good to move all this to another forum. I'm replying in the General Books Topics.