[Karosis]

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Where's the assumption Spite bought enough Worship to Sancro coming from? Haven't seen anything in here yet about it and the purchase on the Norther Desert seemed to indicate Fener to me.

I'd like to note that all those dawn PMs came out after I accused Fener of possibly being Qadi. It could be an elaborate frame job, I won't discount it.

There was a quick transaction around when Spite was at L5 or L6. 6 worship posted and purchased really quickly. Spite implied it was probably him. PS isn't around so we won't know if Spitr purchased Sacrosanct or not until PS is back.

[Emurlahn]

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 20 November 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

about Fener. I can't vote for him or use any actions against him without paying 3 worship.

same for me. just didn't want to risk the modallah's wrath.

I wasn't told I couldn't say anything about it in the PM informing me.

I made the mistake of asking what I could say. Apparently I'm the only one who did that. The reply put constraints on what I was allowed to say.

[Sorrit]

Karosis, on 20 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Me Grimlock say we need new strategy.

I think it's time for us to stop switching targets. Only concerted, repeated pressure on someone, as PS has strongly hinted a couple of posts ago, will get the lynch (eventually) done.

I agree, I think we should lynch Tellan, ergo, my vote.

Let me just say that I have been trying to get you all to put pressure on the same team (or at least those I assume to be on the same team) for days. As far as we know, Tellan is still sitting on Nepeth Empire. It's not currently Sacrosanct, so we should try to lynch him.

I see a huge flaw in this stategy. You are voting Tellan because you are assuming he is Nepath and part of the larger alliance. Clearly those that are in the larger alliance won't vote for him and those players that aren't in any allinace other than their personal faction won't want to expose themselves as targets for not being in the alliance. They only way this changes is if the HOA and/or NP (Presuming that Tellan is Nepath) are invted/or join another allinace thus making the Nepath in a smaller alliance so that players can hide who they really are.

People likes their anominity.

[Ruse]

K well doesn't seem like we can do much until PS gets back and that could be a long ways off so I'm off for a while.

[Emurlahn]

Ruse, on 20 November 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

Did you people speed lynch another player while I wasn't around?

I got the same message, right after Dawn yesterday about Fener. I can't vote for him or use any actions against him without paying 3 worship. Hadn't seen that pop up anywhere else yet.

Think Spite was willing to lynch me. I'll return the favor.

Vote Spite

Or use any actions? FIVE OF YOU?! I don't know if I can believe this anymore... this would make Fener ridiculously overpowered

Hmm. I know Amp got one because he brought it up. I know Tellan got one because he added the part about actions. I don't remember who brought up the "Fener is a mage", but that makes 4 that I know got essentially the same message.

Either PS is lying to us or the "Fener is a mage. " is supposed to be some sort of clue that we're being spoofed.

[Tulas Shorn]

I was also told Fener was a Mage and that I could not use actions targeting him in addition to not being able to vote him.

[Sorrit]

Anomandaris, on 20 November 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Someone made a rude gesture at me...

This seems out of the blue? I'm hoping there is an explaination further along? Ano has been another enigma for me this game. But too many other irons in the fire first.

[Tellan]

Do we think it would be within the Guild of Beggars power to perhaps... spread along a rumor to select individuals? Otherwise, targeting 5+ people with the same amount of "secret" information is a bit cross-purposes with Mafia.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 20 November 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Someone made a rude gesture at me...

What do you mean?
Are you drunk?

No but I'm one Gin and Tonic away from being very close. I get much mroe chatty when I've had a bit o' spirts to losen the fingers. Though i'm making a lot more typing errors that are slowing me down.

Speaking of another drink. Taking a time out to refill.

[Atrahal]

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Do we think it would be within the Guild of Beggars power to perhaps... spread along a rumor to select individuals? Otherwise, targeting 5+ people with the same amount of "secret" information is a bit cross-purposes with Mafia.

You mean, all an elaborate ruse to get people away from voting for Karosis? Well, I've been uncomfortable with the idea that Fener himself did it - why risk drawing so much attention to yourself?

[Emurlahn]

Sorrit, on 20 November 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

I see a huge flaw in this stategy. You are voting Tellan because you are assuming he is Nepath and part of the larger alliance. Clearly those that are in the larger alliance won't vote for him and those players that aren't in any allinace other than their personal faction won't want to expose themselves as targets for not being in the alliance. They only way this changes is if the HOA and/or NP (Presuming that Tellan is Nepath) are invted/or join another allinace thus making the Nepath in a smaller alliance so that players can hide who they really are.

People likes their anominity.

The problem with everything you point out is that there is very fucking little public knowledge. Just about everything said so far has been based upon assumptions.

Even the Karosis == GoB is an assumption. He said it but this is mafia and nobody would ever dream of lying in mafia. And PS's reveal slap didn't actually confirm or deny GoB affiliation.

Puzzle solving is bad enough. In this game, the pieces are not only not in the box, apparently it's an exclusive puzzle and only shipped with one piece per box. And they were all delivered to wrong addresses.

If I had to list the things that I know are true, it would be a very short list.

[Tellan]

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Do we think it would be within the Guild of Beggars power to perhaps... spread along a rumor to select individuals? Otherwise, targeting 5+ people with the same amount of "secret" information is a bit cross-purposes with Mafia.

You mean, all an elaborate ruse to get people away from voting for Karosis? Well, I've been uncomfortable with the idea that Fener himself did it - why risk drawing so much attention to yourself?

Not even in particular to de-target Karosis. Just seems to me something street-urchins and beggars would be good at is why I theorized GoB. Could be any faction really, but it makes zero sense to make that play yourself if you are Fener.

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 20 November 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

Puzzle solving is bad enough. In this game, the pieces are not only not in the box, apparently it's an exclusive puzzle and only shipped with one piece per box. And they were all delivered to wrong addresses.

Brilliant. Rep for you

[Sorrit]

Emurlahn, on 20 November 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

So there are at least three of us in that boat. If we pay the worship to be allowed to vote for him, all we'd be doing is funding his sacro.

So basically with the sacrosant being enacted in the desert we no have a general idea of where 3 players are probably located. This late in the game I doubt we can infur much about factions and locations like what happened to Tellan. Which might also have been a mistake as well.

[Spite]

anyway ive got to go to bad now, see you guys in the morning probably

[Tellan]

Confirmation of ye olde Sacrosanct, pretty much.

[Emurlahn]

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Do we think it would be within the Guild of Beggars power to perhaps... spread along a rumor to select individuals? Otherwise, targeting 5+ people with the same amount of "secret" information is a bit cross-purposes with Mafia.

I would think serious cross purposes.

But, yeah 5 people is a bit OP. Of course, we don't know what it's costing Fener. That could be priced catastrophically high. I.e. your alliance wins within x of days or you commit a suicide attack on everyone in your faction.

Edit: spelling error

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 21 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

[Sorrit]

Tulas Shorn, on 20 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 November 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Telas, on 20 November 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I'm bored.
No one here?

I've just got here. So, who wants to make the first move?
The way I see it, we currently have two targets: Tellan and Karosis. Who you go for kinda depends on where you stand with the alliance, doesn't it?
There are actually a few more options on both sides, as several people have made it fairly plain where their allegiances lie, but these are the two most prominent members.

The way I see it,we have some info about both of them.So it would be better if we try and get info from someone other than these two,someone we mostly don't have any info on.Like Fener.

Ah, the third way. Of course, that poses the risk that you end up lynching someone in your own faction unknowingly. That will also be true for some with Karosis and Tellan too, of course, but at least it would be knowingly, and, most likely by that point, unavoidably.

Fener is the lowest poster and has not contributed much. This is a guess but I think if we target Tellan he will make the place Sacrosanct again., I think he has left it open for us to lynch Karosis today but if we go for him he will create the Sacrosanct. I cannot vote Fener unfortunately. I received something saying that unless I pay 3 Worship every day until the end of the game I cannot vote for him.

I don't have a ton of time but I will say that I can independently confirm this. I also cannot vote Fener because I refused to pay him 3 Worship at dawn today. The fact that multiple people are being targeted by him with this ability almost makes me wish I had paid the Worship so I could vote him. I still prefer a Karosis lynch overall but he was LP yesterday and I have doubts that Fener can also whip out an LP. Just to throw some WIFOM in the mix, if Fener starts picking up votes and then suddenly a new tile becomes Sacrosanct, if he's collecting Worship from people then he can probably afford that Tile Action and he may become LP at that point. The WIFOM is that it could just be anybody throwing up a Sacrosanct on any tile to discourage us from lynching Fener OR to encourage us to test the theory so they themselves avoid a lynch or have more time or anything. Mmmm, WIFOM. No guarantees in Mafia.

Just to test this, I'll

Remove Vote
Vote Fener

I better not get modkilled or anything like that for this....it's my understanding more that my votes for Fener don't count, rather than I actually can't "try" to vote him on thread or else I face immediate modkill for breaking this restriction. So I'm doing this to prove that in the next P-S update, my vote for Fener will not count because I did not pay him the Worship he wanted, which should be enough evidence that I'm not lying and neither is Amp and this is a pretty good reason for other people to vote Fener, since our previous targets (Tellan/Karosis) have been LP so far.

But I am so down for a Karosis lynch it's not even funny, for the same reasons as yesterday. If he's LP for days in a row, well, fuck that.

Damn there is down right an epidemic in regards to who can and cannot vote for Fener. Has he been targeting you all with abilities? Do you people want to call out where you think he is located? That sounds like a serious problem if an ability restricts your ability to lynch someone and they can provide a shit ton of worship to protect from those that can still lynch. That is three players that look down right next to impossible to kill from lynching. This is getting scary.

[Emurlahn]

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Confirmation of ye olde Sacrosanct, pretty much.

Not necessarily. Other mechanisms might be in play:


Father Sun
1 Worship/cycle: you require 1 more votes to be lynched.

[Atrahal]

Emurlahn, on 21 November 2012 - 12:01 AM, said:

Tellan, on 20 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Do we think it would be within the Guild of Beggars power to perhaps... spread along a rumor to select individuals? Otherwise, targeting 5+ people with the same amount of "secret" information is a bit cross-purposes with Mafia.

I would think serious cross purposes.

But, yeah 5 people is a bit OP. Of course, we don't know what it's costing Fener. That could be priced catastrophically high. I.e. your alliance wins within x of days or you commit a suicide attack on everyone in your faction.

Edit: spelling error

Hehe, pay 20 Slaves, 10 Eunuchs, 50 Gemstones, 30 Worships, spin around three times, say "poppinjay" on thread five times, and you gain the power to EXTERMINATE EVERYBODY!